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All you lovers and h8trs who saw/missed us in Leeds, here's the BSP support slot in all it's glory...
So, the only people present were some specialised nurses.
The Brudenell is layered with various steps and seating areas, and Nestor was in the pit bit below the stage.
I can't work out if that's great or terrible! I laughed, but turned it off after 4 minutes.
might make the transition to "sound on" later
Or'll you regret it for the rest of your life.
So I had to watch it with the sound down.
Looked pretty repetitive.
talk, song, talk, song, drum hit, chrod, talk, song...
The two young uns were playing drums and your good self was hitting chords.
Were you covering Sweet Child O Mine or something?
i actually thought it was quite funny, which is odd because when its recorded its possibly the worst idea ever.
I imagine the "comedy" talking between songs
I imagine the "comedy" talking between songs is the main "selling point"*
Foremost DiS H8tr: Gay Guevara
supporting Trencher at the mo.
But making a band going out and doing gigs and having fun: 1
Snidey "blank comment" comment: 0
and yes you are right. all i ever do is make snidey blank comments.
Im sorry brainlove but if you post threads about your band you have to accept that many people will think they are shit. Have fun doing it by all means but im still gonna find it not even remotely amusing. you criticise bands all the time, and every one will be better than that 'music'.
Nice inverted commas - you're a musical TORY!
That Asn't Even Gotta Choon I Cudda Dun That But I Wooden Coz It's Proppa Shit Dey Carnt Even Play Proppa.
and what i said was valid. But ill leave you alone now. Its just funny seeing you get all defensive as if you are not aware how truly unfunny, tedious and awful your band is.
seriously. Sort it out.
Make a nice list of how you'd prefer me to act if you'd like to.
(I always have room in my recycling)
((insert tedious, witless retort below))
then when someone says your clearly shit band is shit, you get all uppity about it.
Tedious witless retort: YOU ARE A TWUNT.
You should refine your understanding of when people are being uppity and when they are playing with you.
brainlove outsmarted me. well not actually, you clearly got annoyed, and well done on calling me out for getting so worked up about it.
oh and ps.
i never thought you were into all that.
If you see what I mean.
you both come off like tards.
shut up. :'(
the pinnacle of independent filmmaking?
The camera shakes when I return to the band... that was me feeling dizzy and almost falling down :(
"Now we're going to introduce ourselves: Awesome!"
I'm also glad you're having fun. I have fun picking my nose, but then I don't inflict the sight of it on other people.
see you on the 14th.
and The Fall, and... I could go on.
but i enjoy this far more than my brain, and everybody elses opinions, and indeed the entire fabric of reality suggest that I should.
tristan to audience: "what do you find scary?"
is hilariously awful. I mean, it's truly terrible, but at least it's funny while being terrible, unlike most shit bands. But I do think Tristan is a fantastic frontman.
Is there some special paedophile sex shop thing going on?
the thread led my expectations to be raised, and they were met. The bands lyrical prowess is what I love the most, Devendra Banhart and Carol Vorderman being two ofthe sexiest women on the planet? It's like you're in my head man, reading my mind...although i will stop liking you of course when you win the next NME award for coolest person.
smart people think its a joke; also cool"
Anything colorful that might be from London, right?
is that you didn't really get Nathan Barley very well.
but if you ask everyone what you think of something, you've got to be prepared to take the good with the bad haven't you?
let your body cry
til you see the sun in the sky.
are you really 17 like it says on your profile or are you just one of those fortysomething men who I hear so much about on the news going about the internet trying to ensnare young women or boys who's just really really bad at hiding their opinions?
Cos that is literally what my dad used to say to me when he was critcising my old (art-punk) band.
He may have the music taste, brain and attitude of a 14 year old My Chemical Romance fan, but he's old enough to be my grandad or something.
presume MeleMeles is a n00b then?
Wrighty, the Nathan Barley thing was a more general point, it's a bugbear of mine. People use it as shorthand for types of music that have absolutely zero in common with anything the TV ever touched upon on a regular basis. It's really dumb and irrelevant.
you're so quick to dish out your damning verdicts to bands you don't like.
I know you have some distorted view that the sounds your band makes are worthy of praise, but I'd have thought at your age, you'd have realised that not everybody is going to agree with you.
Obviously, anyone who doesn't like your attempts is a musical Tory, but their voice matters too, John.
Not to people's faces though when they've made the music. That's reeaally rude and out of order. Plenty of people in bands on DiS, and I've never been derogatory about any of them.
I don't care about people not liking it, that's fine and part of making music. But I reserve the right to defend TIH&TC where I see it as appropriate and to address misapprehensions like the Nathan Barley comparison.
Now act your age: you should know to respect people older than wiser than you young Phillip.
you seem to contradict yourself, the way you often respond seems to suggest that its not fine if people dont like your band.
but represent attitudes towards music that represent a wider curve and structure that I don't agree with, I'll probably pick them up on it. Nothing wrong with that. It's a music discussion board, and I'm here discussing music.
You leave your band open to criticism by posting on here surely?
ANyone who posts up music on DiS can expect it to be loved, hated, rated, slated, whatever. Your question has already been answered in other posts.
is not because you are like something OFFF nathan barley, its more that its a pretty apt description of tracy is hot.
either its a joke (we all play our instruments really poorly and shout irreverent things) or you're serious and its some post modern commentary on art music or some nonsense. the problem is, you're immune to all criticism because anybody who says anything bad 'doesn't get the joke' and anyone who likes it likes it with a sly wink and all the cliquey cliches that too often go with this forum. since you act like you're trying to be contentious, its almost like a victory for you to have gotten a rise from somebody, and if nobody raises the point then you've succeeded with the joke; its a catch 22.
more so than this, i'd be pretty annoyed to have paid money and gotten an in joke 10 people find funny as a support. the crux is, the joke just isn't that funny.
you can't really blame us for the fact that a band (who are NOT users of this forum) invited us to be their support act. It was all done through a booking agent and stuff and wasn't some little DIY gig.
And, also, it's not some cliquey injoke. Lots of people came up to us afterwards to tell us how much they enjoyed it.
And we are both serious and FUN. we are not a post-modern commentary on art music. We are a band who write songs about things that concern us (albeit, not particularly weighty things, but things that touch on our daily life none the less), we have an interest in stripping down music to its bare essentials and trying out things that haven't been done before, and we try to put on an exciting, amusing, confrontational stage show because we think it's good to challenge peoples notions of what music is (be it art music or pop music) and just because watching four skinny white boys with guitars standing there doing fuck all is really really really boring.
people seem really hung up on the idea that we're a joke just because our songs are short and we are vaguely amusing on stage. it's not a joke.
It's a good-hearted swing at making fun a basic form of music that's met by some with a smile and by others with crippling cynicism and derision.
people like kate nash et al who often ncur the wrath of brainlove are "fun" music who sing about the things that effect them (albeit it mouthwash, tea and lemons). It seems quite hypocritical to deride those artists for the very reasons you defend yourself, especially when (as much as I personally dislike her) someone like kate nash has more substance. Its slightly over the top to say it challenges concepts of music when its more you haven't really written songs.
besides that, I don't have particularly issue with the band, and watching the video isn't making me smash my keyboard in rage. its more john's way in responding to criticism (quite a patronising response to what was a light hearted, off hand comment from me), especially in the context of his way of slamming over artists he particularly dislikes.
I didn't say this part, but whilst exercising logic:
"Its slightly over the top to say it challenges concepts of music when its more you haven't really written songs."
kind of defeats itself.
Sorry if I came down on your hard after the Barley thing but people using Nathan Barley-isms to dismiss anything and everything whether it relates directly to Barley or not is a real pet hate of mine. It happens loads on here, for anything from Gay Against You to Le Tigre to Test Icicles to Klaxons to Chicks On Speed, and has never really been relevant, other than as a catchall way of dismissing creativity.
of deriding what people consider mini-scene pretentiousness, straw man man.
i.e. most of what I and many others find interesting mr blowhard.
fortunately I'm right and that's all etc.
All non-mainstream music scenes are pretentious in the extreme.
I despise all non-mainstream music scenes. I cannot grasp why you don't just play stuff by the Fratellis, y'know, real music. After all if not many people listen to it then it can't be worthwhile. Even talking to you remotely makes my pointer crawl towards the start of Oasis' Best Of. It's a wonder why I come on here and regularly attend small gigs at all, I hate every minute of it.
I like you John but I can see why other people really don't.
I'm being a dick, I know it. I am cursed with not being able to shut up once I get into an argument, and also with seeing the flaw after flaw in every single argument, including my own.
as said, I very much look forward to your label's night of fine entertainments.
poor midnight typing there. i meant to say you haven't really written anything.
we do have songs! they have lyrics, chords, rhythms. what more do you want.
SOme people are never happy eh Tris :D
It might be the lack of bass parts.
I ain't no mere noob, I'm already established.
I just chose never to frequent your forums before.
its astonishing how much Tristan felt the need to protest his non-gayness at the end there whilst in them.
Do you want to play with my band?
practising your Northern twang?
We aren't supposed to take it seriously? Like The Darkness or the Kaiser Chiefs or whatever?
i'm sorry, i don't think its that i'm stupid, but i just don't see what its doing, beyond a pretty lame 'what is music, what makes music good?' thing which has been done before. 'challenging preconceptions' is always such a lame concept. i'm aware that i have subjective opinions on what constitutes a worthwhile listening experience. everyone does. all judgements are subjective. pointing this out seems pretty redundant.
They may seem initially 'unreal' (as they do not write what many would term 'proper' songs), but their members are all very passionate about their 'realness' (particularly in the face of adversity) which in turn makes them real.
That sort of passion + chaos + evident good taste = a formula for potential greatness, a la Boredoms (I am not necessarily saying Tracy Is Hot will become 'great' here- I am just saying it is a possibility, much more so than it is a possibility that, say, The Twang will become great).
Their music that they have to date made IS compelling and it IS, to my mind, fun, and they do have a stage presence all of their own.
They also invite controversy- as far as I can tell the only more debated artist on DiS is Kate Nash, and everyone appears to be united in the view of her dullness, just whether that should invite dismissive, logically fallacious criticism or not is the issue.
Tracy Is Hot & The Clap are therefore an important band of our times.
i dont think the 'proper songs' thing really holds much ground either. id imagine the majority of people on this website like bands who dont write 'proper songs'. the point heliotrope was making seems to be that, as real a band as they are, the idea behind them and their songs seem a bit half-baked really. "cat power is rubbish", er, okay...
im not really sure i buy into this idea of 'controversy' being automatically a good thing. the guy who runs the NME says its 'meant to be controversial', but controversial because its so shit, is that a good thing? i doesnt seem like it should be.
cos the band members shamlessly bump their own band's thread every 12 hours!
It's sort of cute that everyone is writing little paragraphs analysing the whole thing. What is there to analyse?
it's checking the boards you muff.
you diesel guzzling muffle car.
You duffle smuggling bubble tuft
it made me smile. not in a, oh it is just comedy way.
i don't really get the problem.
let the people with glasses make their music, which is incidently very good. the rest of us can drink tea and listen.
then we are all happy.
to be frank,
Rool The School.
Everyone big up Chris Fountain!
compelling or fun.
my issue isnt that they don't write 'proper songs'. clearly they do. my issue is that they write really really bad songs. i'm sure they're very real. but that doesnt make something worthwhile or interesting or enjoyable.
What a creep
Point 1 is, people not liking music is part and parcel of being in a band.
Point 2 is, basic courtesy dictates a level of manners when responding directly to someone's music directly.
Your link, as well as the snide intention, also points also to me saying I would never DiS someone's music rudely were they to put it out on the boards, send me a demo, ask for an opinion, etc. It's just - a bit Weak.
disingenious (sic) in posting that link.
point 1. i quite agree.
point 2. heliotrope's response to your band is perfectly reasnoable. given how abrasive and rude youre response are i find it quite difficult to see where you would find offence in his comparatively courteous assesment of your band. he doesnt like them, and he's told you why, he hasnt even said 'you arent a real band' as many people have nor has he lowered himself to the level of personal insults.
there was nothing snide in my intention. surely you can see how the various points you make are all a bit confusing? on the one hand criticising music to someone's face is unnacceptable. (you prefer it all done behind people's back?) on the other you attack someone because they 'wont do it', (would you prefer it if they did so you could dismiss them as rude and out of order and not have to take their opinion on board?) and then youre saying criticism on the internet shouldnt happen any more than it should in real life, so why are you attacking him in the first place?
now i grant that you justify all this with some perception of 'rudeness' that you find intolerable. its prety difficult to understand what your measure for taking offence is, for someone who is okay with people not liking his band even the most mild criticism seems to meet with abuse.
but you're doing an excellent job of bending them out of shape
i don't mean it in a nasty way. i actually think you're a talented guy, i really like a lot of the junkplanet stuff i've heard.
but i don't like this. at all. and i think some of your responses to people saying they don't like it have been pretty ridiculous to be honest.
besides, isnt people's negative response to it at least part of the point? i mean, if you're making this music at least in part to challenge preconceptions, then surely you're pretty much failing to do so if nobody responds negatively to it.
can't respond to a categoric denial of any positive quality in it whatsoever...
i'm not intending to be nasty or unpleasant in my comments. i wouldn't describe the songs as being really bad if i thought you'd put lots of work into them, but i'm pretty sure you've intended for the songs to be 'bad' according to the perceptions of me and many others.
my posts were probably flawed in that if anything, it was more questioning on what you're trying to do with this. i mean, if its just something you're doing to have fun and be a little silly, thats swell. but your posts seem to suggest that there's some kind of attempt at critical comment behind the music, and from what i can say, that comment is pretty defunct. i'm just curious as to whether i've missed the mark with what i perceive to be the musics aim, or if there's something which can change my feeling on this defunctness.
again, i don't mean in a nasty or personal way. you all seem nice on DiS and i like your music, john, but i just don't get what this is doing.
I guess it is fun & silly, you're right there. But there's a will to do more by kind of protecting the validity of that as an aim in itself. Then you get into this politics-of-music and what-is-music debate, where some people leap onto it and say "YES! Music CAN just be a simple strike!" and kind of support it from within their own own music/political position, and others who go "NO! This is empty and stupid!" - this is where my kind of self-made right/left comparision (like the musical Tory thing way back in thread) come into play.
It's like, the simplicity of the band is a trojan horse.
One thing that this band certainly does is stimulate debate :)
I'm gonna make some more "singy" drone / chant stuff soon. That'll be more musical. I miss the singing and chanting of Junkplanet, especially live, which is funny seeing as I kind of hated doing it at the time...
I enjoyed the live gig hugely, though I doubt that comes across so well in a recording.
I enjoyed the performance but not the songs really because they didn't have any real substance to them once you'd seen the structure.
I don't really know what you're defending John. By that I mean on one hand it's "fun & silly" but you leap on anyone who describes it as a "joke band". The issue is I'd say a band that was 'fun & silly' is a joke band and I'm sure others would say likewise.
I'm not implying all music has to be poe-faced but while Junkplanet II was clearly fun it wasn't really 'silly'. It was inventive: it was 'different'.
I don't think TIHATC actually stimulate debate as such: it's just that rarely do you have an open channel to members of a band in a forum whee it's not directly about that band.
For example mclusky and Future of the Left don't stimulate debate, but I'm sure if Falco had always been a regular DiS poster they would have generated similar levels of posting via anyone who wasn't impressed with them.
In short, it's art: I just think you can't justify it and you're not going to be able to convince people it's something they don't think it is. I don't think people are intentionally insulting you over it: they simply take a totally different meaning from a band that is 'fun & silly' and they're as right in that meaning as you are.
as I thought it would be...
I can't believe people are getting so wound up about a joke band. It's as bad as the Reef thread.
Its just post modernism that isn't hurting anyone really - let's all calm down - making a noise is better than not making a noise. YOu just wait till you hear MY new 'prodge'............