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so i was out for my friends 21st and it was a killer night and we're partying on down and i thinks to myself, 'yknow what would be really cool, some dancing music' and head over to the dj booth.
(this is in newcastles "biggest" indie/rock/alt night, so obviously theres a big mixed crowd and everyones drinking away)
me: hey man, do you have anything by head automatica?
dj: yeh but i can't play it, its too guitary to play tonight (or words to that effect)
me: have you heard it ? its just dance music!
dj: i know, but its too rock to play here
me: how about something like the arcade fire or hot hot heat
dj: nah i dont think people here would like them
me: not even bandages you always play that?
got bandages ... but how can something be too guitary for a rock night !
its not like i was asking for 9 minutes vai and sach widdle fests or anything remotely metal ... jus seems silly that a dj isnt willing to play guitar/dance/party music at a nightclub.
ps i know im being daft, cos i dont actually like the most nightclubs, but humour me ;)
(this is in newcastles "biggest" indie/rock/alt night, so obviously theres a big mixed crowd and everyones drinking away)
me: hey man, do you have anything by head automatica?
dj: yeh but i can't play it, its too guitary to play tonight (or words to that effect)
me: have you heard it ? its just dance music!
dj: i know, but its too rock to play here
me: how about something like the arcade fire or hot hot heat
dj: nah i dont think people here would like them
me: not even bandages you always play that?
got bandages ... but how can something be too guitary for a rock night !
its not like i was asking for 9 minutes vai and sach widdle fests or anything remotely metal ... jus seems silly that a dj isnt willing to play guitar/dance/party music at a nightclub.
ps i know im being daft, cos i dont actually like the most nightclubs, but humour me ;)
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(this is in newcastles "biggest" indie/rock/alt night, so obviously theres a big mixed crowd and everyones drinking away)
me: hey man, do you have anything by head automatica?
dj: yeh but i can't play it, its too guitary to play tonight (or words to that effect)
me: have you heard it ? its just dance music!
dj: i know, but its too rock to play here
me: how about something like the arcade fire or hot hot heat
dj: nah i dont think people here would like them
me: not even bandages you always play that?
got bandages ... but how can something be too guitary for a rock night !
its not like i was asking for 9 minutes vai and sach widdle fests or anything remotely metal ... jus seems silly that a dj isnt willing to play guitar/dance/party music at a nightclub.
ps i know im being daft, cos i dont actually like the most nightclubs, but humour me ;)
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Far better thing to do is go find some clubs with DJs that are playing stuff you want to hear, and go and support them, rather than going to the big populist clubs and then complaining (meanwhile the smaller nights go bankrupt cos nobody turns up)
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you've seen through all my tricks! damn.
It's a lot to do with the timing of when you ask too. There's usually a time when the tracks are dedicated to the stuff that's popular right now, to get everyone dancing. And if it goes well, then sometimes we play some more obscure 'indie' stuff (or at least not the current chart topping indie bands), but during these tracks our punters usually piss off to the bar. So far I've managed to empty the dancefloor by playing Rocket from the Crypt and Terrorvision.
My favourite requests have been someone coming up to ask if we could play some 80s, while we were playing a track by the Smiths. and another who complained that we didn't play enough indie, just after we played the arcade fire.
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to whit mr bafoon comes up and says:
"whats this? this isnt indie! how about some ocean colour scene?"
i dunno, *maybe* he was being sarcastic
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He had it but wouldn't play it :o(
I'm so sure it would've gone down well...
HAMMER TIME nanananana!!
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Admittedly i had just requested Shine On You Crazy Diamond Parts 1-5. And Achilles Last Stand. And some Joy Division.
In a dedicated 70s cheese club... oh well
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hmm :P
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Although I could tolerate a bit of motown.
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If I didn't care about empty dancefloors I'll be playing sets filled with 11 minute long jacques lu cont mixes, m83, and whatever else I'm listening to right now. But I don't think my punters will enjoy that.
I had an idea for a Beach Boys themed club night, playing only music by the Beach Boys, and acts that were inspired by them. But I know if I put that night on here, it'd be either empty, or people will come in asking for the Smiths.
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then after hearing them over a few weeks people will start to know and enjoy them
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I reckon that'd be a fucking sell out!
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I'm even scared of going into dance records shops..
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I'd just go with a laptop and traktor dj studio personally. Downloading or buying music online is a much easier and more pleasant experience. People'll tell you it's not the same without decks but then people are elitist luddite twats, unless you really want to get good at fancy turntable trickery there's no need for it. And you can do a lot of the tricks more easily in software anyway.
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they never play what you ask for unless its been played to death on mtv2 recently
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I guess if you want more specialist stuff, go to smaller clubs, although because these nights have less mass appeal they tend to be monthly and struggle to make it worth their while to do it. There are some on monthly rotation at the sunflower lounge in birmingham. Or the Medicine Bar maybe? Although that's not very indie.
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obscurity for obscurity's sake, at a club where people want to drink and dance, is pointless, but a happy medium'd be nice - like instead of playing atdi's one armed scissor, play enfilade once in a while! [same album, for christ's sake...] and there are other smiths songs besides this charming man. i guess other people disagree though - throw on the worn, threadbare "classics" and inevitably the floor fills in a flash. peh.
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i say play what you want and spit in the drinks of anyone who annoys you and repeatedly shout "GET A FUCKING CLUE" over the p.a.
i can't believe the inadequacy of 99% of "DJs", anyone can press play on their free NME cd.
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If anyone lets me behind decks again, that is what I am going to do.
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they used to play a very wide variety of stuff and tended to completely avoid 'indie floor fillers'.
With regards to the medicine bar you're unlikely to get much obscure indie as it tends to be more dance orientated, but its worth checking the listings once in a while. Similarly the boiler room in the jewellery quarter is owned by the same company and seems to be putting on a good range of specialist nights, but again they dont seem to hae much indie.
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Then again isnt imitation the sincerest form of flattery?
Still was a pretty good night, havent been for ages though, used to go quite a lot when it was at the chameleon bar out in St pauls square.
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for the record, I would definitely play Hot Hot Heat and Head Automatica, though not the Arcade Fire as you simply can't dance to it (oh and the reason they are quite shit)
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its like talking heads
ie
very danceable.
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Oceanrain: "I used to get drunk and hand the DJ a ten spot with my request. I swear to god they'd play Slint for ten bucks!"
We'd play slint for you without bribery, rain.
The problem we have is trying to keep playing recent music, when all the new stuff that we get asked to play is the killers. Sigh. But we don't just want to play old records. Note though that our old is sonic youth and Fugazi not stone roses.
Mr Brainlove "I guess if you want more specialist stuff, go to smaller clubs, although because these nights have less mass appeal they tend to be monthly and struggle to make it worth their while to do it"
Being a niche market is very hard. Especially because we're not fashionable, we don't screw the right journalists or something, and often our club listing emails get ignored not included, then nobody knows about the night, and sometimes it's a bit quiet which is heartbreaking, I know it's a cliche, but we do SR for the love of it not for money (the bands get all the money) so we care about it a lot.
Building up a club by word of mouth alone is very hard and plenty of times in the past 5 years we have thought about jacking it in (ask Mike Diver, he's been on the receiving end of some of my miserablist text messages). But if we quit I don't think there is anyone playing the same stuff as us, I've been to plenty of clubs that claim they're similar, but the flyers are usually lying. So if we don't keep doing the club then we'll have nowhere to go and dance to things we like to dance to.
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Silver Rocket this Friday 6th May: The Rogers Sisters + Citizens Here And Abroad + 3hostwomexicansandatinofspanners + Go! Team! Go!
8pm-3am, Upstairs at the Garage, London, £4 w/flyer (from www.silverrocket.org) or NUS, £5 otherwise, £3 after 11.30 (for club only), special offer drinks after 11.
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What recent stuff would you lot want us to play (no jokes about the Libertines please) alongside the Dinosaur Jr and My Bloody Valentine?
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Exactly. Although it's hard to compete with Kasabatinekillerchief clubs smugly playing the occasional Joy Division tune, there's nothing like looking out over a packed dancefloor dancing to records YOU have chosen, on a night that YOU have put on. Likewise, there's nothing quite so disheartening as playing your favourite choons to a empty dancefloor.
It's hard to please everyone. Not obscure enough for some, others have no idea what you're playing so go home early.
Also, why would you lie about what bands you play on a flyer?
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Beats me, I just remember all too many times looking at a flyer the morning after a disappointing club and counting off the stuff they played, and it was only about a quarter of the bands listed. I assume in most cases it's an accident but there's one club in particular I remember that listed virtually the same bands as us but then spectacularly failed to play more than a third of them. The one occasion (never to be repeated) we went to a well known and fashionable monday night club in London was especially memorable for flyer inaccuracy, where they played about 5 bands off the flyer and most of those were particularly bad remixes.
Like you say, there's nothing that beats playing a record you love and everyone starts dancing. Occasionally people clap, which is very flattering but a bit wierd, it's not like we had any creative input into the record!
Thanks Mr Brainlove btw.
God I have to start rambling less. It's cos I have homework to do and this is more interesting innit.
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Lest thee forget.
This month with added Jason and the Astronaut and Charlottefield action!
21/5/05.
Mx
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Saturday we played An Albatross and The Locust alongside The Hunches and Les Savy Fav and Early Man and Maximo Park and thisGirl and some other guff that was REALLY good.
And the Crazy Frog. Oh yeah...
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What annoys me are nights where the DJ has obviously decided he has the who night planned in his head and will not let anything deviate him from his path, whether the crowd actually want to hear the same SONGS in the same ORDER every single time is a minor detail. It's like he really believes that he has cracked the optimum playlist and any change to it would destroy the world as we know it forever.......
......or maybe he just plays a burned mix cd and mimes the putting records on decks malarky.....
DJ's who actually create new music and scratch/mix into new shapes and beats rhythums should be allowed to get on with it and do what the fuck they like.
middle aged 'dj's in indie/rock skankholes should play what the crowd fucking want as far as Im concerned,
YES there is the argument, if you dont like the music dont go. Indeed. But if it's the only club in a 40 mile radius that doesnt play 'choons' as such, its often unavoidible.
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its every saturday its FREE ENTRY and its in the rock n roll capital of london er walthamstow
@celsius
166 hoe street
walthamstow
3mins from walthamstow central(vitoria line)
from 8pm till late
more indie tunes than you could fit into john prescotts belly
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Come to one of the nights we put on but don't expect to hear what's massive in the indie charts all nigth. Why stick to one genre where a large number of bands are still obsessed with the 80's or the Madchester scene. In the words of Partridge "They've just re-badged it you idiot".
If you don't like a club don't go back. Don't expect the dj to play every song you request. They only have a certain length of time to play for and want to play their own choices too, which is actually why they were asked to come play at the club in the first place.
Rant over.
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in these parts that is basically another way of saying "never go out to any club again".
i know djs can't play every request after "dancers aren't drinkers, dancers are not drinkers" and they need to keep the money coming in, but the absolute lack of variety and predicability of it all ... if you saw the same band on tour 4 nights in a row you'd be more suprised by the setlists than you would be by the playlists of the "indie" clubs up here
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I've also had certain twats claim that we lie about what bands we play on our flyer (not aimed at you, Silver Rocket) all because a friend of a friend told them that we didn't play Melt Banana the week that they went. What can you say to people like that?
We have guest DJs each month, who rarely stick to what's on the flyer; this is what keeps us fresh and (hopefully) interesting.
Rather than list meaningless genres (emo-jazz, post-wave, avant-kronk), our flyer is an overview of the type of bands you might hear, not a fucking checklist. Expecting the DJ's to play exactly what's on the flyer each and every month is frankly retarded.
Mini rant over x
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And it doesn't mean that you have to play the same songs every time either. We do end up playing a few songs a lot, maybe we have 10 songs I'd be surprised not to play at least every other club, but that's cos people ask for them and we try and honour requests, unless they're for a band I hate, when I'll politely exlain we don't have anything by them. Other times we play a different song by the same band that's been requested but that can annoy people so we try and balance giving them what they ask for and playing what's best for everyone else in the club (and a bit of selfishness too, what's the point of being a DJ if you don't get to pick some of the songs?)
I think for me it depends on how many bands you (not directed at slashclub) have on your flyer, if there's 40 bands listed and only 5 of them got played plus 3 hours of northern soul or some other completely different genre to that listed I think that's being misleading. We've been to clubs and requested a handful of the bands listed on the flyers and found out that none of the DJs has any songs by any of the band we asked for with them, and they've clearly just listed them because either they think it makes them look cool or to make people come in! I think if you're advertising something on a flyer (which is exactly what it is, an advert) you should damn well try and play mostly what you said you would. If you bought a flaming lips album and half of it was actually by coldplay you'd be pretty pissed off so I don't see the difference personally. If you just want to give a general idea of what you want to play list 8 or 10 bands and give some genre descriptions, then nobody can say you're misleading them.
But that's just an opinion.
I get what you're saying about guest DJs, I'm sure people ought to be able to be patient for half an hour or an hour and open their ears to new stuff (it's also good cos we can steal the ideas of whatever they play that people dance to ha ha).
Our flyer has changed loads of times over the years to reflect what we're actually playing at the time rather than what we think we should say to make people come, and had a very radical overhaul a few months ago, I wouldn't dream of putting anything on it that I wouldn't or couldn't play (andy added kasabian to the flyer a while ago and I had to take it off again as i'd rather rip my own ears off than play them). We also lug around the world's biggest collection of records and CDs everywhere we DJ to try and cover all bases, we probably have enough records to play for 2 weeks solid.
I just don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to play what they say they will. But that's obviously just my opinion.
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One way around all this is to make a lovely flyer with lots of pictures, a description of the style of the night and only about 10 band names on it. Then everyone will think its a lovely little arty club night and come along to have fun rather than mark off all the bands on the flyer like a bunch of greasy, trainspotting cunts.
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Too blinking true, I could have edited my postzilla to a less stupid length. An edit facility would do.
"Does anyone else go to a gig/indie night and feel quite intimidated by the people because they are all y'know....dressed cool."
You should come to our club cos we're not cool, we've never been cool, and I have no intention of ever being cool. Yeah it's annoying sometimes when people pile into clubs cos they're fashionable and hence a trendy but feckin awful night is rammed, but then I think I wouldn't really want the fashionistas in clogging up my dance floor by being too scared to dance to something in case they were accidentally being uncool. Also, if we are never fashionable we can't become past fashionable, this is why we are still going after 5 years I think, no bastard has heard of us but then the people that have keep coming back and we aren't last months' big thing.
Also I couldn't help but notice you (mr/ms atom_jack) like fugazi and sonic youth and another load of bands we like a lot.
I hope this isn't another megahugemungous post full of typos, I've been on the buze and my judgement is a little impaired. Apologies to anyone who thinks i should be apologising to them.
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The same applies for Kings of Leon, Oasis,The Vines, Jet etc etc
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However, it's also quite clear (I would hope) to those who come what they can expect.
Reading over this thread what annoys me most is some of the attitudes from DJs on here, which seems to be a little on the 'I know best' side of things. Yes: You have to trust a DJ to pick the songs, but equally I don't give a shit if you've heard X song fifty times and is hence 'overplayed'. That can be considered a hazard of the job and if people are requesting a good track that's obviously going to be a popular maybe it should be played.
Of course, I'm probably a strange individual because I don't really ever get bored of stuff. I can play Nirvana and others over and over simply because it's just a different class of music...
Now I have no idea what I was blethering about. I wish this blooming forum had a 'preview'.
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The cure-Boys dont cry
the smiths-this charming man
ect ect
Also I dont like the way you ask for something they say yeah yeah and then just play the same old shite.Whats the point in a club dj who never accepts requests?You may as well have a sequencer on with a playlist churning out the same thing each week why do you even need the bloke behind the decks?
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What pixies song is going to get played every week?
You'd think debaser, maybe monkey's gone to heaven, where is my mind, gigantic or here comes your man. But no they play (drum roll)......
Planet of sound!
I was so happy the first time, now i realise that they play it every week the novelty has worn off a little bit, but tis still ace.
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If i get this DJ spot I'm going for then I might give Wave Of Mutilation a spin i think.
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Similarly the smiths, it doesnt always have to be this charming man or how soon is now
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mind you i'm not much better i only play 5 or 6 different ones.i have shakes now, typing failing me, sleep must yes sleep yes zzzz reading the whole of that no pictures on yr profile thingy has melted my brain....
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the smiths-this charming man"
Aaagghhh! Stop complaining about shitty Indie nights! Either stop going to them and go to decent nights like Silver Rocket and Slash/ or else start your own.
'Cool' people (ie: cunts in stupid hats/sunglasses/rod stewart haircuts) have no place in our club. They tend to stand around by the bar for an hour or two before skulking off because people are dancing and having fun / not dancing to The Libertines.
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in fact being in cambridge has really made me realise how lucky i am to be in birmingham, and that doesnt exactly have a huge diversity.
Oh and in response to the 'put on your own night' issue that always comes up, has it occured to you that doing so somewhere smaller than london is far harder because you have real issues with managing to pull in a big enough crowd at a more specialist night. That and the lack of venues available. Im actually planning on trying to start putting on a night when i get back to brum, but even in a city of that size im having issues trying to find a venue that'll have me as the market's pretty much sown up.
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AHAHAHAHAHA.
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Wait, that doesn't work - no visuals.
Dang.
You'll just have to wait til the 21st.
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Don't you know you're not suppose to be cheeky to your elders and betters.... or even just your elders.
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well i still havent found them
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My point was more about how its all very good for those in london to go on about putting on your own night if there's nothing you like, but to do a specialist night requires the market to exist. In smaller cities this isnt the case, and thats before you start worrying about finding a venue that will have you
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Maybe its the fact that the people in this city are incredibly mobile and have to move around a lot, or the fact that its just incredibly expensive to live in or around the centre.
I mean, yeah, Im happy that there is such a selection, but the only interesting places seem to be of a hip hop or dance variety (ok, the University of Dub in Brixton is pretty fucking cool). When it comes to rock music, seems as if its the same type of shitty, dingy club you'll find anywhere in this country.
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silver rocket is 5 in july, yippee. i wouldn't argue about upstairs at the garage being dingy, but then for me that's part of its charm.
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give us some favourite bands for dancing to and i'll see what we i think of for you, i seem to have been to too many different clubs recently, all slightly different (but all in the sphere of indie/guitar i guess)
stupid shift key.
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I also live on Holloway road so theres no damn reason not to! Cheers
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If you can't find interesting rock nights in london I suspect you're not looking hard enough - perhaps if you explain better what you mean by 'interesting'. Silver rocket was pretty good back when i was into that sort of thing, the venue's a bit crap though. I don't think rock clubs are really drawn to swanky venues, whatever part of the country. Upset the Rhythm are good for arty rock type events in little nice venues... quite a lot of east london places have artier / trendier rock nights... lots of camden shitholes playing alternative stuff if thats what youre into... I dunno.
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GOOOH!
Thurs 12th May
at Catch 22, Kingsland road, Shoreditch
9pm - 2am
FREE
With.......
The Sticks - Primitive 60s garage gunk like The
Hospitals, Coachwhips, Black lips......
Ack Ack Ack - Beat machine jazzbot v.s magic
guitar men
Then......DISCO!!!! til 2am.
"djs" play - erase errata, shellac, les georges
leningrad, wire, human league, tracy and the
plastics, ex-models, die monitr batz, gossip, arab
on radar, kid commando, seconds, les savy fav,
unicorns, burmese, lightning bolt, my bloody
valentine, ramones, stooges, deerhoof, barcelona
pavillion, channels 3 and 4, sonic youth, suicide, a-
frames, intelligence, murder of rosa luxemburg,
pink and brown, butthole surfers, ex kings of Dude,
melvins, old time relijun, coachwhips, the fall,
black lips, fast fourier, black eyes, measels
mumps rubella, liars, le shok, death sentence
panda, numbers, !!!, glass candy, onieda, dna,
delta 5, mu, metal urbane, adult, pavement and
many many many more.
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I think I saw DJ Yoda there aaaages ago too.
Cheers big ears.
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I think I saw DJ Yoda there aaaages ago too.
Cheers big ears.
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Whilst we're on the subject...
SLASH/ #10 is here! Get down to Public Life (82a Commercial Street, E1) on the 19th May and dance to the genres of Punk / Post Punk / Post Rock / New Wave / No Wave / Lo-fi / Indie Noise / insert hip genre / plus a slideshow and Super 8 extravaganza.
We're on from 9.00pm to 2.00am and it's only £3.00 before 11.00pm and £5.00 after, so get down early and save, save, save.
Expect music from the likes of Devo / Sonic Youth / Make Up / Deerhoof / The B-52's / The Chinese Stars / ESG / A Certain Ratio / Joy Division / !!! / Lightning Bolt / Modest Mouse / Bloc Party / The Fall / Les Savy Fav / The Beach Boys / Ui / Ramones / The Buff Medways / Shellac / Weezer / Dizzee Rascal / Gangstarr / Ex Models / The Postal Service / Dinosaur Jr / Sleater Kinney / Kate Bush / The Cure / Big Black / Part Chimp / Velvet Underground / The Arcade Fire / Mudhoney / Coachwhips / The Smiths / Swell Maps / The Cramps / Melt Banana / Black Flag / Liars / The Contortions / DFA 1979 / Jive Bunny (really) / many more besides.
This month we have TWO, yes TWO SpecialguestDJs! First up, INCREDIBLE and KEEBY from CLECKHUDDERSFAX play genre-defining classic rock/electro-disco crossover with an accent on the ridiculous, followed at some point by JAMES of NASCENT (Brighton) and GOOOH! fame. Both will play a whole bunch of greatness. Bring your spazzy dancing shoes, the podiums are yours for the taking!!!
ALSO:
Be the first on your block to wear one of our fabulous FREE badges (available in pink or blue, while stocks last). They may look rather fetching on the pocket of a jean or the chest of a tee, but if you don't come, you can't have one.
Re: Whilst we're on the subject...
p.s. it's ok not to play the jive bunny, even though i do think it's important to support ex-miners in their new professions.
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the tracklisting is as follows
Black Sabbath-War pigs
Dark Tranquility-the newe build
Arch Enemy-we will rise
Still Remains-the worst is yet to come
Opeth-bleak
White Zombie-super charger
Shadow Falls-what drive the weak
Lamb of god-now you've got something to die for
Nine Inch Nails-smaller and smaller (r)
Bon Jovi-livin on a prayer (r)
Hellacopters-by the grace of god (r)
He is Legend-the seduction
The Saints-know your product (r)
New Bomb Turks-the roof (r)
Less than Jake-history of a boring town (r)
My Chemical Romance-thank you for the venom
Finch-letters to you
Thrice-under a killing moon
Laibach-one over 909
Testament-into the pit
Ministry-jesus built my hotrod
Garbage-push me (r)
Strapping young lad-detox
Judas Priest-metal meltdown
Hammerfall-riders of the storm (r)
Hatebreed-straight to your face
Sonic youth-drunken butterfly
Add N to(X)-four
Interpol-slow hands
Carcass-heartwork
the Escape-seayory
Million Dead-the kids are going to love it (r)
Capdown-MV4 (r)
Death cab for cutie-why you'd want to live here
Jimmy eat world-the middle
Manowar-hand of doom (r)
Dragonforce-fury of the storm
Dismember-overide of the overture (r)
Children of Bodom-follow the reaper (r)
Judas Priest-electric eye
Death-spirit crusher (r)
Billy Talent-the ex (r)
Life of agony-river runs red (r)
Vader-blood of kings (r)
A Perfect Circle--judith (r)
Satyricon-havoc vulture (r)
System of a down-BYOB (r)
Iron Maiden-aces high
Blackmores Night-under a violet moon
you can say what you want about Cov uni, but what other uni lets people play Laibach, Add N to (X) and Satyricon ?
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sorta makes me wanna go to the sort of clubs/nights that all my friends would hate
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Sorry Im being negative for no real reason.
Other than the site of those two bands.
Sorry
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