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but I was listening to Closer yesterday and I kinda wanted him to shut up a little cos the band behind him was so awesome. Listen to Passover and try and disagree.
I loved JD when I was 16, but...
after that, I always preferred New Order. Everythings Gone Green is the best thing any of those people ever did.
Some people don't deserve to have ears
It's entirely unreasonable that anyone should have their own opinion on which of two bands they prefer.
For future reference I suggest the government constructs an official body of public opinion on music and issues a fixed penalty fine for anyone who deviates from it.
anyone that thinks new order are better than joy division are, to put it bluntly, massive gay-tards.
And this is based entirely on how i KNOW for a fact that joy division are unbelievable, and how i dont know exactly how good new order were, but how much of a cock peter hook seemed to become after about 1985.
had an affair and killed himself. sad yes, but not heroic. great music though.
the voice he uses cracks me up. sorry.
you're confusing him with Editors man like everyone else in the world. That guy's speaking voice is nothing like his singing voice. BLOOD RUNS THROUGH ARGH VEINS
Sounds more like Tony Hadley.
Please explain this to me.
But he seems it whenever you watch them live. With some people you can just tell by looking at them that theyre special. He was one.
It might make him fucking good on stage but I don't see what it has to do with being "heroic".
I literally have no idea what that means.
for the fact "Hero" is so constantly mis-applied as a phrase. But it's still a really fucking stupid word to use to describe someone just 'cos they were a good performer.
although his suicide probably had more to do with his depression than his art, you can tell he means it when he's singing. Especially on closer.
Plus, i like to romanticise these people. Theyre better off that way.
What's heroic about him? Did he show extraordinary courage or bravery? Make some kind of sacrifice for their greater good?
No he fucking didn't, did he? So why the fuck would anyone call him a hero?
Please note this has fuck-all to do with Ian Curtis. I just really hate the use of the word "hero" to describe people who actually didn't do anything that could in anyway be described as noble, courageous, self-sacrificing or in any other sense "heroic"
People can still be heroic to other people without having done any of that. You're thinking about Dragonheart, i think.
they can look dopey, sing badly and kill themselves.
I would never apply the term 'heroic' to anyone. .But he certainly had extraordinary charisma on stage. Almost supernatural or something////
Yeah, JD gets the nod here, but I hesitate to remind everyone NO's first album was fucking great. Even the second one was good and from there just the odd good single, but ...erm, I dunno... Blue Monday ruled the nightclubs for only about 10 freakin years.
I haven't told my tasteless JD/NO joke in a few years so:
Q: What's the best thing to ever happen to Joy Division?
A: New Order!
rules the nightclubs.
blue monday that is.
gosh i love it so.
i am one of those 'weirdos' who likes new order more than joy division.
still, i'm really looking forward to 'control'. it better not suck.
To think that New Order are better?
Because they are, aren't they?
Like for real?
i have mentioned it before to a few people.
and they have not been happy.
i do love both bands
i'm going to see 'control' at the cinemasssssss in probably camden on wednesday
if anyone would like to join me and a mate or two.
Theyre obviously quite different in a variety of pretty fundamental ways. .
I bet a lot of people prefer New Order, but most of those people probably arent particularly passionate about either band.