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they're one of them:
-Spend years writing successful debut
-Be flavour of month in NME, then with Radio 1
-Go into 'writing second album stage' for a year,
-Emerge with toilet boringness that no-one likes or gives a shit about, because they only spent a few months writing it
I think it warrants maybe a lower case 'good' at very best.
When people use the word 'angular' to describe your music, and you aren't Franz Ferdinand, you know you're shit.
Well that's wrong for a start: Franz Ferdinand aren't even good enough to be shit.
is better than the first.
But sadly not as good as their first EPs !
second futureheads album is absolutely brilliant
but when I do I really really REALLY enjoy listening.
is such a Clash rip-off, it's appaling
are all like 15 and they've released an album and toured a lot of the world.
They're probably pretty happy with that.
The Duke Spirit
I liked some of the Duke Spirit's record, but they'll never get anywhere.
They must have a very good manager seeing they were chosen as support for some very big gigs here...
was good in a Mazzy Star kind of way.
Album was disappointing and live...
Oh they were bad...
by Polydor. Apparently, Polydor decided that they only wanted to invest in "establised" talent, instead of taking a chance on new talent. Let's just hope for their sakes that Shed Seven never split up, eh!
Oh, hang on...
N i really like em =(
"never going to get anywhere"?
what ridiculous terms of "somewhere" do you have?
All Tomorrow's Parties!? In that case, I take it back.
deserve shooting, they're terrible.
rather have them then BRMC
i wrote them off to begin with but the album is great if you give it the time.
Very good live as well.
The only reason they might not 'go anywhere' is because this country's obsessed with bad music.
This is My Ship is fantastic. Looking forward to their London gig on Saturday.
Crap excuses. If you said to a band, 'Would you rather have consistent success, or be a flash in the pan and probably end up in debt, back in a crap job in a couple of years?', they're not going to choose the latter.
Making lots of money, for at least three albums running.
See: BRMC, The Vines, The Strokes
All the 2002 brigade. They knew where it was at. Ok, so they aren't fashionable any more, but they'll sell about a million times as many albums as Hadouken! or something.
that they got dropped...
1st album - Number 25
2nd album - Number 3
3rd album - Number 14
4th album - Number 15
I think that's successful.
So successful depends of your point of view.
Bands like Arab Strap or the Delgados never had such chart placing but were still successful. They sold regularly good amount of records in all Europe.
Being number 14 then dropping at 50 isn't succesful for a major.
'Would you rather have consistent success, or be a flash in the pan and probably end up in debt, back in a crap job in a couple of years?', they're not going to choose the latter."
You say that, Wrightly, but it's incredible how many bands you see around who change the way they look and sound every other week, to try and keep up with the current NME trend. And even more awful is how many record companies/desperate journos go moist at the knees for it, even though none of the bands are going to last beyond a brace of singles and one middling album.
Same way it's always been, though. What can you do, except shrug your shoulders and fuck 'em off out of your mind?
BRMC have had consistent success throughout their career, they've never really been big but they've got the dedicated fans world-wide to pull them through.
shaky ground sticking the Vines in that list...
the bands mentioned in the thread.
Everyone wanted to hear their second record. It split the critics, but it still sold well. Third album didn't do as well, but they'll still sell large venues.
Yeah, couldn't open a newspaper without reading about Vision Valley, could you?
Consistent critical acclaim and steady sales beats sudden hysteria then sudden failure all over the show.
Playing Somerset House.
Spoken about by quite a loads, especially after 'Howl'.
Slagged off by nme? holy shit, they may as well pack it in now...
Because he didn't sign the cock.
3rd album - everyone liked it. NME, broadsheets, probably even elitist nerdsites like Pitchfork.
Still very popular, even often in the NME.
are in for the long haul. They've already proved they're worth their salt by sticking around after everyone wrote them off. It proves they love it and don't give a fuck what anyone thinks.
Plus, they're ace.
is the amount of money spent on press and marketing.
which seems to say an awful lot about how closely you link 'good music' and 'successful music'.
are there any bands you like that aren't 'successful'?
The new Spree album is fucking great!
85% of bands in this category I'm sure! Black Wire should have given up a while ago, and I fear for Goodbooks, even though I personally love them
Futureheads shouldn't be on the list, massive critical acclaim and popularity
Slagged off in the NME.
Never spoken about by anyone ever, apart from some crappy fanzine maybe.
that they peaked too early commercially?
Two top 20 albums, a top ten single, headlined a leading mid-size festival last year, decent level of attention in America. Depending on who signs them the third album could still do something.
Are we still talking about these DiS festivals that about 3 people care about?
Can't remember who it's on though, Dan sent me the tracks and it's pretty good :)
They're all really good, but you're still right.
A sympathetic "Aaaaaahhhhh" is more appropriate - especially with BYOP 'cos they might get they're moms onto you.
But nah. I'll stick with the AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAA.
but i heard a new white rose movement song last week and it is actually amazing. seriously.
It was only a demo but was all distorted and sounded like jesus and mary chain. I didn't even recognize who it was!
2007 has been diabolical for British music.
If they've appeared this year and they're on a major label and their first video is oddly slick, then they'll be gone within eighteen months. Three examples!
Reverend and the Makers
(i hope my theory's right, it is mostly based on what Steve Albini said about bands on majors having no money)
Yeah. Other Stage in 05. Almost headlining in 07. Total failure.
failing as human beings
Tired or your career is already over ?
surely? if we are talking about bands hyped up that wont survive without the initial hype
I've heard that The Twang could be as big as Ocean Colour Scene one day...
Myspace sensation. She will be a nobody in 6 months.
Bands like Beat Happening or Minor Threat hardly sold any records, but they formed a community around them, ran their own record label, signed bands to them and then broke up when the time was right. They never tried to do anything more because that was enough.
might as well quit now Gareth - you are never going to be the Bruce Springsteen demi-god character that you so clearly long to be.
In fact I laugh at the fact that all you have done is started out and within a year signed to one of the best labels in the country, played at Glastonbury, and been all over the press, radio and TV.
What a silly thread Wrightylew!
you kids might as well pack up and go home NOW!
BRMC, The Strokes and The Vines are really quite poor bands. That's not to say they haven't all put out some good singles (well apart from The Strokes) but y'know, if your claimed liking for them isn't part of your act on here, then I'd like to think you'll realise how boringly trad and average they are.
There are bands that are worth really fucking caring about, really wanting to see every time they play a gig and those bands are not in that group.
That said, I don't necessarily disagree with your initial list.
are easily the best of those three bands. Just because Steve Albini bagged them out once, doesn't mean it's cool to.
The Albini quote was just nice to see, though it's not the only one I've heard bashing them.
Seriously, I find them monstrously boring live and really quite bland on record. The tracks are nice enough, but I think something like Get Free or Ride by The Vines, or Whatever Happened to My Rock'n'Roll and a couple of others by BRMC are genuinely GREAT songs by bands that are otherwise quite uninspiring.
So I was comparing the Strokes on that level, not on a dancing around to their stuff at a random Indie club way.
in a 'dancing around to their stuff at a random Indie club way'. There's a couple of The Vines and BRMC tracks I like but they've not done anything as good as 'Reptilia', 'You Only Live Once', 'Hard to Explain' and about a handful of other tracks.
Your taste is all skewed but we knew that already.
have all managed moderate commercial success and critical acclaim, especially The Futureheads. How can you say they'll never get anywhere? They've already been there, done it and sold many, many t-shirts. I'd put The Futureheads at least alongside the likes of The Vines in terms of success or popularity. And I think they are far more well known than BRMC.
i realise you're doing this to get a rise off people but i think these bands are pleased by what they've acheived already. It's hardly difficult to pick a few bands who've been reasonably big, dropped off the radar a bit and say they've 'failed' just because they're not churning out the same old crap album after album and selling loads regardless of whether it's any good or not.
Pointless thread, i like a lot of the bands that have been listed here and it depends what you call going somewhere.
that in five years' time you'll look back on this thread and disagree with everything you've said in it.