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The_Glory will be transforming like Mumm-ra into a ball of indignant NME-defending rage
That's not going to sell a single copy.
folk going in to buy Fat Chicks Monthly might invest in a copy
*sotto voce* She's such a good role model for the kids instead of those awful size 0 skanks always getting naked on magazine covers.
Maybe my post was too subtle?
worst selling nme since the godspeed cover!
we can pray.
did gy!be sell particularly badly then?
of the reasons for why they sacked people and turned it into the music equivalent of Heat apparently
how they had that cover and the Melody Maker ran opposite it with A. And not nu-metal popular A, I Love Lake Tahoe zaniness A.
just the words GODSPEED YOU BLACK EMPEROR on black with no picture? was awesome.
since Iron Maiden circa. 1982
:appropriate sound noise for indie reference, posssibly a beard being stroked:
that picture might have pushed me over the gay edge
shes not interested.
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she looks... ok.
i'm officially gay now
destroying my sight was uncalled for!
but really, i think she looks.. well, vaguely ok-ish.
but come on! it's a mildly flattering angle, at least. admit it.
she looks better there than she does here:
but i don't think she looks very hot.
WELL, YEAH SHE LOOKS PRETTY SWEATY LOL, but that's not the kinda hot i was talking about.
i mean hott.
theres no need to offend anyones eyes in that way
yup, you're fat
yup you're a lesbian
its no excuse to get naked.
i never saw Louise from sleeper doing it, i aint seen the bassist from my vitriol doing it and those two would offend everyone much less
She doesn't look THAT bad. Surely they didn't use the airbrush?
always looks like the woman is some how just going to jump out of the fat. Its really disturbing.
so much as someone who exploits their weight and lets themselves be treated like a sideshow freak in exchange for fame.
I'm not sure that's a positive thing to do.
shes famous for what?
in that order.
do you think morbidly obese people need fellow obesers to get naked and sing. Is that a role model, or just a fat chick naked on stage?
whats so fucking brave?
If you say NME - thats bolllocks, they do it for shits and giggles cos they are all cunts, especiall jonze and mcnicholl
I you say Ditto, you are a fucking idiot.
of dita von teese.
keeping it real there, marvellous.
there's no way she looks smooth/flawless like that
there's no way her skin would look like that.
AN EVEN MORE TRAUMATIC PROFILE PIC.
we have a new lemonparty.org
That having been said, how many ugly men have been on the front cover without complaint?
if the lead singer of the Twang appeared on the front in a Silence of The Lambs penis between legs pose i reckon their might be a bit of negative feeling. And that'd be only slightly worse than this one
That was the worst ever.
i have a problem with a naked ditto
i freaking love monkeys doing human things though.
Beth Ditto Naked - Yuck
Monkey playing poker - awesome
once said that about me
plus i think she looks good.
its not the fat, or the freakish makeup.
its...the armpits! eeeueeueueueueueueueurrrgrgrgrgrgrgrhrhrgrhrhrgrgrgrgrgryuk!
still, its how she looks and it cant be helped.
and i dont see how anyone can defend putting her naked on the front of the NME without really cynical journalism motives.
Looking back we all should have seen it coming.
pluck her eyebrows less.
look richards, its been rolling for so long its a fucking convoy.
i jumped on at the start, cos it was a much nicer place to be than in the crowd having a fat sweaty ugly chick rolling over the stage screaming about people standing in the way of control or something or nothign
i think it looks pretty damn photoshopped.
her skin is like, OMG FLAWLESS and she looks less morbidly obese, more nice and... er, 'curvy', than she usually does.
hm, dunno really.
because beth dittos flab has a strange, hypnotic effect on all who look upon its horror.
:( i can't stop looking at the picture.
around her stomach
which I assume she's not going to be pleased about?
that cover is totally unecessary. I bet if she did try to hit on any of them they'd all be disgusted. Moronic twats.
she just doesn't have any:
George or Marjorie Dawes
that is punk rock as fuck and you facists can't handle it
I should of known when I saw the Crazyyyy PUNX fontage they used...
Must be photoshopped. I can't see any dimples or stretch marks or anything! My legs look horrid in comparison to her and I'm alot skinnier than she is.
If you're going to try and make some bold statement, why the fuck airbrush it?
she has no eyebrows, ARGHHHHHH!!!
yeah, she's gonna have fat rashes, spots from all the sweat trapped in her rolls, and stretch marks from the fact her skin has been stretched so far away from her bones its crying
I bet she ain't seen her toes in years
your little love-in...
but I'm pretty lazy
I will manage to get a debit card and spend all my money in that shop.
BETH DITTO IS SHIT, THE GOSSIP ARE SHIT, PEOPLE WHO LIKE BETH DITTO AND THE GOSSIP ARE SHIT, PEOPLE WHO MOAN ABOUT BETH DITTO AND THE GOSSIP ARE SHIT, PEOPLE WHO MOAN ABOUT PEOPLE MOANING ABOUT BETH DITTO AND THE GOSSIP ARE SHIT
mean you're intelligent and serious.
The Gossip are awesome.
and people's reactions to them are a great wanker barometer, perhaps the best around at the moment.
As you were.
i am sooo edgy, the more people bitch and moan and hate the gossip the more of a wanker they are. its such a universal truth.
yeah, like people having their own opinions, beliefs, loves and hates.
Lets all go to a communist commune and live happily cos everyone can live in peace because every allways agrees with everyone else.
oh no, thats not right, you are a fucking idiot.
...for an age, and shd be totally applauded - i don't expect NME to get better any time soon, but this is a big push back toward what they shd be doing.
...i was surprised by the whole reactionary-knee-jerk nature of some of the responses - regardless of what you think of The Gossip, i just wd have expected more liberal views on body image, etc...
i agree with you for once!
you're a newbie, we aint liberal on here
i just want to lick her.
"OMG she's fat and it's unhealthy and she's a bad role model!!!!!!" posts, as they completely ignore the fact that she's also in a band, which subjects her to vast amounts of travelling, easy access to vast amounts of drugs'n'alcohol, as well as nightly performances that include dangerous levels of sound, all of which are INCREDIBLY bad for you either.
but nobody brings that up because being in a band in kewwwwwwwwwwwwwllllll, right?
being in a band, touring the world and putting on an energetic show where you jump around in your underwear could possibly be defined as exercise - an activity in which people tone muscles and lose weight - and I ask: what the hell is she eating every day that's actually making her LARGER?
same for whasserface out of Scarling, I thought you were doing at least an hour's exercise a night...?
cos, like, weight is all down to diet!
meh. i really couldn't care either way, but i genuinely am perturbed by some of the posts on here. sad.
are shit, Beth Ditto is shit, NME is shit.
...body fascism is shit.
when she won NME person of the year or whatever it's called, everyone complained because they didn't put her on the front cover.
look at the homepage here, she's absolutely everywhere!
Did NME do this out of pure choice?
she used to be ALOT fatter, i'm sure.
this is the best thing the nme has done in ages
is that she trades off her looks every bit as much as any slim blonde singer.
OK, she's in a band and she's overweight. That shouldn't matter although I accept it does.
But by doing things like this she isn't making some bold statement about it being ok to not be thin and she's not doing anything to normalise or make image less of a big deal.
By allowing herself to be presented as a freakshow and letting people make such a big deal of her being an overweight woman in a band, she's essentially buying into this "fat women shouldn't be in bands" bullshit and actually, I think, making it even more of an issue. Sure it's serving her career (in the short-term at least) but I hate the way she embraces prejudice and I feel this can only have negative long-term consequences, not only for her but for big women with singing aspirations as a whole.
and, fundamentally, the point is that *there's nothing wrong with being fat*. ok, it may have negative effects on health, but so does smoking and drinking - the point of being an adult is you get to choose yr pleasures - even if they are poisons too.
it's her body and she shd be able to do whatever she wants with it.
and I agree there's nothing wrong with being fat (I'm really in no danger of winning a slimmer of the year award mysefl!) but the point is that it shouldn't be a big deal if someone's in a band and overweight.
And the way she revels in the media drawing attention to it (and frankly uses it as her band's Unique Selling Point) ultimately pushes the idea that it is (and should be) a big deal to be overweight and in a band.
There's nothing wrong with being fat but if she's gonna build your career on being fat (and, let's face it, she's much more famous than her music is) then she is ultimately letting herself getting sucked into the same "fat people shouldn't be in bands" shit as everyone else 'cos she allows it to be the defining thing about her and thus defines herself as being odd by being in a band and being fat and thus defines herself as a freakshow.
...if other people respond to what she's doing and things actually change - even a little..?
Beth's probably always going to be confrontational - it's who she is - but others with their own personalities and ways of doing things can be heartened and follow suit. hopefully.
what are people gonna think on seeing a naked beth ditto? What is the intent?
Is it supposed to show that body weight and image is essentially meaningless? Because that's not what most people'll think, most'll think "that's disgusting".
...she's not doing it for 'most peoople'. i'm sure she's had to deal with enough stuff to know that very well.
this is more (i imagine) for people who may be in a similar situation but have internalized and accepted the view they *shd* be ashamed of themselves. whatever you think of her, this image suggests Beth isn't.
the fact that that's even possible demonstrates that peer-pressure-enforced self-hate is a choice - like Eleanor Roosevelt said: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
"that's disgusting" because that's what they've been instructed to think since being old enough to read a newspaper/watch television.
is selling herself on the myth it's somehow weird for fat girls to front rock bands.
She isn't helping anything and won't change things 'cos she's endorsing, and selling herself based on, the same system she's claiming to stand against.
doesn't come across like "people shouldn't be hung up on body image" it's "look at me. I'm fat and I'm in a band. How amazing and unusual is that?"
I don't question that she has good intentions and probably believe she's striking a blow for unconventional-looking musicians everywhere but the fact she allows the band to be sold and marketed on her weight only reinforces the idea that body image is important and that, if someone doesn't fit the typical stereotype of how a singer might be expected to look, then it should be treated as a big deal.
It's obviously not her fault if people waanna talk about her looks more than her music but I do feel she indulges and encourages the media in this, and that actually sends out the message people should be hung up on body image.
shes selling her fat to get famous.
Have you ever heard anyone talk about the gossip without using the word "Fat" or "Lesbian" cos she trades off the gay pound as much as anything.
remember the topic t'other day, the gay pound is damn powerfull
she's trading in her fatness for fame. much like that waller and mcmanus characters, ho ho ho, how i laughed at them on pop idol or whatever it was back then. Remember Waller, he was fucking hilarious. He looked like one of those things you had as a kid and couldnt knock over, but he had small fat legs and a head. I will always love you, ha, he's never been sexy loved ever, how would they find his cock
smoking and drinking, and this is that you don't have to be a certain age to legally partake in overeating. Beth Ditto is a role model and should be castigated for her obesity as much as Doherty is castigated for his drug abuse.
its all bad
Ditto, Doherty, Borrell,
well actually borrell should just get shot
she's using her body to gain attention, much like the people she claims to stand against. It's pretty stupid really, it kinda demeans her music. Incidentally how many people have actually heard more than one gossip song?
Standing in the Way of whatever and some other turd fest.
EP is possibly the best record I own.
I like normal sized girls. There is a happy medium.
Its kinda patronising to stick a giant picture of a fat chick on the cover of a magazine in a 'aah, you've learned something today about the nature of body perception in the media, WE THE NME HAFF TAUGHT YOU ZUMTHING YOU DID NOT KKNOW!'
At the end of the day, people like to look their best, some people look good naked, and she doesn't look good naked, unless you're trying REALLY hard to fancy her because you think that'll win you political correctness points, and some hot lesbians will float through your window and night and start licking each other and whats that its beth dildo AAAAARGGGGHHH!
different body types, different attitudes - this isn't about 'looking good', it's about her presenting herself as she is IN SPITE of (most) peoples' attitudes to her - the cover's a defiant gesture - she refuses to be ashamed of herself.
do you not find that kinda patronising?
I think most intelligent people are comfortable with the fact that *gasp* people come in different shapes and sizes. I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with the fact that I'm expected to act in one of two ways to this cheap trick- 'oh isn't she horrific' or 'yes isn't it great that she is happy to get her fat ass out on the cover of a music mag'
its all so boring.
If she was presenting herself as she is IN SPITE OF most people's attitudes then she wouldn't feel the need to do this kind of cover.
Ultimately she's presenting herself as she is BECAUSE OF people's attitudes and that's the real shame.
If she genuinely refused to be ashamed of herself, and genuinely wanted to be treated just like every other pop star in spite of her looks, she wouldn't accede ot this kind of cheap gimmicky exploitative publicity stunt.
...so give her the chance to do something like this, and she will. yeah, there's probably some ego in there, and i'm sure she's aware this will help her sell more records, but she's a rock star, not a saint.
for the record, i wasn't much bothered about the cover until i saw some of the snarky responses it drew here.
and people might be comfortable with different body shapes, but there's still this feeling that, y'know, you're not supposed to flaunt it or enjoy it.
but I do think anyone appearing naked on a magazine cover to sell records is a wee bit cheap and tacky. And just 'cos of her weight I don't really see a difference here.
good point...people would be moaning about this if it was some skinny bird. Its lame.
Its shit though- why should anyone feel bad for telling it like it is- seeing a huge fat person naked on a magazine cover isn't hugely attractive. Its like if you say that you are Alf Garnett, Hitler or the editor of the Sunday Sport...and to retain your indie credibility you need to say how wonderful it is that she is comfortable enough with her body to get it out.
It is NOT wonderful that she is comfortable enough with her body to get it out, she should get a nice fucking dress on, and I'm sure she'd look lovely.
just don't expect anyone else to enjoy it
its not confrontational any more.
shes been trading on her fat for the last year or so.
people now expect this sort of shit from her, she's got no problem getting naked on stage, so on the cover of a magazine, fine, otherwise it would be hypocritical of her.
whats confrontational about getting a naked side shot? its trying to court it, but in reality we're so blind to nudity that its not a big "shock" factor anymore, even if you are fucking disgusting
my gripe with this is similar to grockles but just a little bit different.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. HOWEVER, this strikes me as the NME saying 'look, we arent a bunch of tossers who only like young, good looking bands, we'll put a fat bird on the cover!' Basically the NME are doing her a huge disservice because you can just tell that theyve put her on there because they, themselves, find her unnattractive, and they know it will be controversial.
Cause theyre not into image fascism at all, oh no, even with their topshop sponsored tour...
and i'm sure their motives for doing this are pretty cynical, really - a tokenistic gesture that they'll be able to refer to when they're accused of only having RazorShambles on the cover - but, for all that, i still think it's - overall - a positive move.
by some people who like her music, people who don't and those who have never heard a song. It's mostly negative and I can see why - not because she's obese, but because of how she presents her politics. I think she takes it too far and is really not doing anyone (especially not herself) any favours.
People shouldn't be thought of less because of their size but by the same token they shouldn't highlight something that's clearly not going to be to everyone's taste just for the sake of it.
I wonder how many obese people are going "Yeah, well done" and how many others are going "Shit, those people are looking at me now and imagining me in such a pose"...
are reasons the reaction is bad here.
Sexism, body facism, jealousy, are some of them, these are predominantly male points of view and are also simplistic but I don't want to write an essay about personal politics, society, socialisation of boys in society.
Its really shitty to wheel up, say everyone is wrong, and then piss off without bothering to say why- so go ahead, please explain!
I've said my piece...somewhere between my rantings and what guywithnousername thinks seems fair enought to me
everyone is entitled to an opinion whatever it may be, but I do think that Ditto being on the NME cover naked is a political statement, I have no need to claim any kind of indie cred.
She looks good
isn't going to rectify that. I think you'll find the rest of the general public will be a lot less forgiving. Just making a statement, but not justifying it won't change anything. Especially in a rag such as the NME which is geared towards trend-conscious young men.
And the reason why people get so annoyed at her (or at least why I do) is because she never drops the agenda, it feels so trite. I think I would understand and maybe agree with her a lot more if she just dropped the act for more than 5 seconds.
it's really, genuinely important to her. Y'know if she makes one poor fat kid feel less shit about themselves and that.
they treat her like some freakshow, like they do all their flavours of the month.
I think I'd probably just feel alienated.
Obesity should not have to be a political issue in music, however I don't think it should be encouraged, either.
Good music is good music, larger people shouldn't be victimised within any circles but also people should be encouraged to take care of themselves, hence the big campaign to stop obesity and the army of fat children being assembled in the developed world.
God only knows the filth Beth ate growing up in the deep south...
On those terms I am not sure she is that great a role model.
is not the issue. The issue is the fetishisation and idolation of the superthin and an unreal normal being presented as being the definition of attractive.
And good on her.
They're both unhealthy extremes. I'd much prefer a happy medium, thanks.
that that would be okay, but shes almost, if not already, obese. The answer to Size zero obssesivism is not to say that being superfat is okay. Its to say that a diet should be healthy, and that you should maintain a balanced and healthy weight.
it's not about that.
Ditto is being presented in juxtaposition to your typical 'attractive nude model' to try to balance the obsession with thinness. It's not about saying superfat is okay, it's about not dismissing anything over size 10 as being fat ergo unattractive.
A sledgehammer to make the point but necessarily so.
its not worth making to your average NME reader!
will find it hilarious because she's 'a fattie' attempting sexiness.
There's no point trying to convey a political agenda through the cover of a magazine aimed at teenagers. Trust me - a large pecentage won't get it, and won't care.
of course she's obese, look at her!!!
theres no question
No, and that is why it is wrong.
fap fap fap
Can you get that godspeed nme anywhere?
We had this entire post way back when she was crowned queen of cool.
I know i'm spamming in a way, but after the whole thing blew over i wrote
Its all about "that fat lesbian from the gossip"
your criticism of the 'positive' is bang on. Howveer, someone can inspire in ways other than being fat and sucessful. I dont think inspiration can come from fat and sucess combining. If it did, then dick cheney would be my inspirational hero.
Beth Ditto's 'look at me' attitude towards body fascism, but on reflection and having looked at your blog, you sir are a vile piece of scum.
more of a numpty really...