The brother of Nate Young from Wolf Eyes was badly burnt in a fire trying to save his dog. Nate Young posted on myspace asking for donations as his bro doesn't have any medical insurance and he is likely to be in hospital for a number of months.
Then this kid (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=14222590) has started talking shit and saying that this is all a scam by Wolf Eyes to fleece money from their fans. This guy believes that either his brother wasn't really hurt or if he is hurt Wolf Eyes have enough money to pay hospital bills as they are signed to Sub Pop.
This is the kids blog about it all (which has now been taken down):
"So I still to this day have recieved threats from Nate and mails from various friends/fans of Wolf Eyes asking about this subject. I was willing to let it go, but clearly they aren't (even though Nate is the one who asked me to take all this down), so the blog has returned, enjoy or hate me for it, I really don't care anymore (people have been putting words in my mouth since the start anyway).
Its a reverse Robin Hood story, steal from the poor and give to the rich. One day roughly a week ago, at the start of March, bulletins and posts appeared all over MySpace and various Noise boards. They were written by Nate and sometimes reposted by his various friends and associates. The story in these bulletins was one of heroic/epic proportions. Nate Young's brother Pete Young's apartment was on fire, he got out safely but went back in to save his dog and then was not lucky enough to make it out in time. He was found nearly 50% burned, his dog did not live, and they found out he had no medical insurance. So the purpose of the various bulletins/posts was to ask for donations to NATE'S Paypal account to help pay these bills.
This raised a lot of questions in my mind. Mainly I wondered how believable this whole overly heroic story was, as it sounded like some sort of rejected Disney script. I also wondered why Nate needed our donations so badly. Nate Young is a member of the band Wolf Eyes, who happen to be signed to Sub Pop (the label in which Nirvana and Soundgarden got their big breaks) and have tons of cd's available in chain stores such as Sam Goody, FYE, and Hastings. If the story was true, I wondered how come there was so much begging for other people's money. But I set those thoughts aside when I saw a post on the "Iheartnoise" forum about this, in favor of offering best wishes in case it is all true.
I had sort of a bad reputation for needlessly insulting Wolf Eyes on Iheartnoise. Sometimes in entirely unrelated topics I'd find a way to make it insulting to them. So I knew when these posts were made that people probably did not expect a good reply out of me (if you're wondering why I dislike Wolf Eyes, well, its the same reason old school Punk/Hardcore fans dislike Good Charlotte and Simple Plan basically). What I said follows below:
"haha i love dogs, that fucking sucks, too bad im broke ..EZCODE EMOTICON START -->..EZCODE EMOTICON END-->
i dont like wolf eyes, so my initial response was gonna be "lol," but shit that dude got fucked up trying to rescue his dog, he deserves any donations anyone with some money can give"
Now I can admit maybe bringing up my dislike of Wolf Eyes was inappropriate, but it should be clear there are no bad intentions in that forum reply. Lets analyze it a little. First of all, one mistake I did make was the use of "haha." See, I tend to forget some people don't know all my internet tendencies, usually when something is funny I reply with "hahaha" or more, while "haha" is my way of acknowledging that its the exact opposite, by not giving a real laugh, showing its actually sad/mean/dissapointing/etc. After that I stated my love of dogs, dissapointment that this happened to him, and wish that I had money, even put a dumb little frown at the end to show my regret about not being able to help. Then I bascially poked fun at my anti-w.e. reputation, saying I would normally give a mean response just to give a bad reaction out of them, but instead show that I think because of what he did, he deserves donations (some people argue that I should've said he deserved money no matter what he did, but I do not think thats the case, when I don't know you personally you better of done something great to earn my possible donations and support) and pretty much gave my best wishes.
After that, I returned to IHN later on in the day to find I was banned. Foolishly, I let it get to me, and made a post on the Roil Noise boards to fill them in on this. Some backstory on my relationship on Roil Noise: I was "signed" to them, part of their roster, even had a release out (Breakdancing Ronald Reagan-I Aint Got No Stomach bizcard). Me and the people on the forum seemed to have sort of a bond formed out of rejection by people on Iheartnoise (or so I thought, I wasn't correct at all), as one member of Roil had even been banned for pretty much no reason, and fights had been started with all of us (which is what lead to the Roil forum being so active in the first place). But after I posted about being banned, Noah (Rabbit Girls, one owner of Roil) turned against me. Suddenly I was public enemy number one there and without warning I was banned, kicked off the label, and my release was removed.
By this time I was just sick of it, I gave some opinion on what I think the REAL truth in this matter was on Roil, but I tried to be nice and civil about it. Afterwards I went towards the Harshnoise/Noiseguide forum and said right off the bat what I think about this bullshit story. I was banned from there too, not surprisingly. So after being silenced for a plethora of stupid reasons (including being "too controversial" for roil, as noah later claimed but then denied in favor of saying he just never liked me, you seemed to like me a whole lot when you released me noah you tard), I came to the last place I could get my opinion out on the subject to people. MySpace. I posted a bulletin that later became a blog, and in my anger also sent mails to Paypal about the fraud I suspected behind all this (which some claim are what temporarily froze the 5000+ dollars in Nate's account, I'll cover this more in a second). The blogs and emails gave my reasoning on the entire situation and why I thought it was false, I never claimed I had 100% proof for either side of the story, in fact I admitted these were subjective views that were not meant as proof of ANYTHING.
What were my views expressed in the blog? Well let me explain. As I said, the story itself sounded very hard to believe, a man getting burned trying to save his poor little dog. Yeah, and my friend got burned trying to save a schoolbus of children inside of a burning napalm factory (hahaha I've made a billion different versions of that statement, never gets old). Despite the outlandishness of the story, no REAL proof was given. Just guilt, a big guilt trip to the fans of Wolf Eyes claiming that Pete Young is a major part of the reason why they formed, basically trying to put the burden on people's shoulders just for being fans of them. Those messages were spammed everywhere possible as I stated before. There was also one single picture of two unidentified men inside of a burned building of some sort, they claim that picture is in Pete's apartment. First of all, what are the odds they would be allowed in that apartment? I imagine the fire department and police would have it roped off until a long while after the incident. Even if they did get in, it would likely be by police escort, and I'm positive no pictures would be allowed. Could that photo be of a completely different incident not involving them or Pete? Possibly.
The only other "proof" was a news article claiming someone was pulled out of a burning building. No names given, no specifics at all, just someone that happened to be in the same state as him, really didn't show enough evidence worth getting $5000+ in donations for. There was a chance, though, for Nate to prove the reality of this "tragedy." Whether it was because of my emails or their own worries, Paypal froze his account. They asked for him to first get Pete to sign onto some kind of fund/bank account and Nate claimed Pete was not in the condition to do so. This was an easily fixable problem if everything he said had been true, he could've easily gotten power of attorney (or someone close to Pete in the family, like his parents) and signed for Pete, OR he could've presented medical papers/bills to show proof to Paypal. Instead he yelled at them on the phone until they hung up on him and had his friends spam them (this behavior didn't end here, as you'll see). To me, that made it even more sketchy, as his poor actions were those of a guilty liar, not someone trying to help his poor brother.
But like I said, Wolf Eyes aren't exactly poor, the money they've made off their major label releases could be pretty massive (I wont say I have any kind of proof of whats in their contract, I'm just making a fair assumption). So why would they need to scam us like this for more money? I'll tell you, they tour and run their own labels. Wolf Eyes has always been a band that was looking for a way to break into the mainstream and join the rich and famous. At the expense of their fans and the entire noise community, they would sell out their sound constantly to make a buck. None of their money costing ideas were put on hold because of this. AA Records and the like kept running, touring kept going on. That shows a lack of interest in the poor burned brother, and to me gives good reason to believe they would have a need for other people's money. They need it to boost their own projects and careers.
When I made the original blogs stating this, I recieved harsh criticism. Not only that, I also recieved a glimpse of a grown man's inner child. Instead of spending time with his poor burned brother, Nate added me on his Wolf Eyes account (big mistake of mine to accept it) and spammed my messages, comments, and blog with threats and stupid messages. He also posted a bulletin to his 4000+ friends list claiming I am "anti-pete young" (I NEVER said anything anti-pete, I was anti-nate and anti-people getting ripped off though) and to send me hate mail, including a link to my profile at the bottom. He even threatened to find my parents' numbers (tell my dad on me, real adult) and to get my address (Rubbish, former "friend" of mine, posted it, but wussed out when I threatened legal action against him hahaha) and send me what the fuck ever in the mail. Of course he wussed out of these actions, as I expected. He also gave me the hospital number and told me the full name to ask for.
By then I was already done with it though. I got some nice publicity, removed my blogs, and told him I am finished with it all, that I would not reply to any more of his messages. Of course that did not stop the very mature Nate Young, he continued sending messages claiming he was sitting by his brother in the hospital the whole time and he even sent messages to some of my friendslist telling them things like how much I "suk" (suk, not suck, suk). I reported him for all this, but upon thinking about it, I also must say he dug his own grave on the subject with that first statement. Hospitals don't have wi-fi, and more importantly don't allow laptops/computers in because the signals could fuck with the equipment. SOME hospitals even block laptop/cell signals ahead of time. So how could he be in the hospital talking to me this whole time? He couldn't. Which leads me to believe one of two things. Either he is in fact lying about his brother, or he just can't get over fighting with a 17 year old on myspace (while he's like in his late 20's, possibly early 30's).
Then the last piece of evidence here, the hospital phone number. I myself did not call it yet, as I've wanted to try to not be involved anymore, but my curiousity got the best of me and I had 2 friends call. One friend claims they said there isn't a Peter Bradley Young there, another says the nurse just said "the last name is Young?" and connected her to a line where no one answered. Which Young isn't an unusual last name, so I don't think that proves it either way. That hospital number has given me more than enough proof to validate my own beliefs to myself.
I don't have real proof either way, just like Nate doesn't, this blog is just to give my thoughts and explain my side of the story, since Nate continues to bad mouth me even after I gave in and dropped it. But either way, thanks for all the support guys, I've had a lot of people send me and my friends positive messages and even back me up (some of these people being Wolf Eyes fans directed to my MySpace, way to go Nate, I guess I should thank him too hahaha) during all this. Now go check out my new net release "BANNED IN IHEARTNOISE" on Noise-joy.org!"
Wolf Eyes have posted some comments on his page:
"Things are gonna get even worse for you if you keep this up. I have you fathers phone # and your address. I know tons of people who have sent you packages. You really need to stop with all this crap.Dont you have something better to do?"
"What happens when it is confirmed that my brother is in the hospital? Do you stop?"
"University Hospital (734) 936-6637
ask for Peter Bradley Young
This 17 year old, and all his pals are fucking cunts, either way.