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anyone used any of these? how are they? which is best?
bear in mind I can't afford any of them. But I can dream...
everyone uses it
i figure that that means its pretty good
I've wanted one for ages. but whenever I tell people who 'know about synths' that I want one they say 'oh no, you want an Alesis Micron or a Novation Xiosynth'.
I own an Alesis Ion which is the Micron's big brother and contains pretty much the same sound engine as teh micron, just with more knobs to turn and more keys.
When I first bought it I thought "hmmm, it sounds good but all the presets are pure cheese!" - it really sounded like it was geared for making house music...
So basically I designed all my own sounds. It's quite difficult if you've never programed a synth before (as I hadn;t) but after some trial and error you can get some really good sounds out of it.
It's been reliable since I bought it and I've been happy with it.
Recently, I've been hankering after more electromechanical keyboard sounds and bought s Clavia Nord Electro 2 and it's really incredible for all those Rhodes/Wurlitzer/Calvinet/Hammond sounds... so anyway, it's not a synth so I'm getting a bit off track...
Bottom line is that I recommend the Alesis!
i've got a Novation K Station and its great.
an alesis micron and an alesis ion, and my ladyfriend has a microkorg that ive used. the microkorg is absolutely horrible, terrible, tinny, bassless sounds even when edited and tiny unresponsive keys. its a toy and i hate hate HATE bands who rely on them.
the micron died after a while though, even though it had great sounds, and so i now have an ion, that it super-editable, super -amazing, but i miss my micron.
Get a micron. Or if you can stretch to it, an Ion (A use Ion will cost about the same as a new Micron). You'll thank yourself later when you want to do more than play presets, as the Ion is basically the same as a Micron but with a fantastic user interface and a whole lot easier to program sounds for.
I didn't really like the Microkorg much, and again, if you were going to buy a new one, it's probably best to go for the MS2000, which is the same deal as the Ion vs Micron, exactly the same sound innards, but the Microkorg has 4 knobs and a tiny keyboard, and the MS2000 has about 40 knobs, a full sized keyboard and a mod sequencer, which is nice if you learn how to use it. It's nowhere near as flexible and versatile an an Ion/Micron, though, so you may get frustrated with its limitations when you learn synthesis properly, and it's raw sound isn't as good
The Novation I've not heard, but I'm assuming it's the same sound engine as the K-Station/KS4, which is nice enough, but doesn't sound as rich and organic as the Ion/Micron, and although more versatile than the 2 Korgs, not as much as the Alesis synths. It is better if you want to use it with a computer, though, because it has a built in audio interface and plugs into your computer by USB, rather than the normal audio ins, and will send it's audio in signals via USB to your computer
With all synths, even though they may seem daunting if you don't know your way around subtractive synthesis, more knobs > less knobs, and much easier to use and learn on.
are over-rated, they're not intuitive enough and you can't easily manipulate sounds real-time. The sound quality is nowhere near as good as the Novation KStation which I find to be far better in every respect
for the money the K Station is brilliant
as a user of a microkorg they aren't THAT great.
i just use mine as a keyboard with the presets and have a nice ol' analogue synth for real synth sounds.
still, if you can get one cheap enough its ok i guess.
in the end i went for the micron. i wasn't disappointed. however, its tricky to edit, and you cant rely on the presents as they are fucking shit (as someone above mentioned). but the stuff it does for its size is amazing. also, you an play up to 8 notes at a time, whereas the microkorg can only play 4 which is pathetic.
i want a usb controller for my vsts and stuff
i want a shit load of knobs (as many as possible) and a couple of octaves of keys
dont care about any internal sounds
dont want to pay much more than £100
I was playing with a nice Evolution one the other day in soundcontrol for £120, but there must be better deals thatn that.
whove ever thought "hmm, i want a synth, though I know nothing about them and want one cheap", I bought a microkorg.
Its pretty rubbish. Hard to get cool sounds out of, and the vocoder is kinda bad (though might be better with a different mic).
And the keys are horrible to play. I use it more as a midi controller than a synth.
Still, its quite fun.
They cost slightly more than an Ion. And for that slightly more than an Ion, you get 1 less oscillator (2 instead of 3), 1 less filter (1 instead of 2), nowhere near the amount of different filters you get on an Ion, 1 less envelope (2 instead of 3) and extremely limited modulation possibilities. For a £400-£500 synth, it's painfully simple and restricting, doesn't sound especially wonderful and isn't really any better than a £200 cheaper Novation. The Ion/Micron is probably the best sounding and feature laden synth you're going to get before you get up to the £800 likes of the Korg Radius and Nord Leads, and the £1500+ likes of Access Viruses
if you want a synth for programming/studio work or for on stage fun and frolics
if it's the former then agreed but I was assuming restlessboy would be more after the latter
The SH201 is a weird one, and I'm not sure where the market is. It'd make a great £200 competitor to a microkorg/micron, but considering it's £450 or so, it's competing directly with the Ion, which has a better user interface, more sound design features, deeper synthesis engine, and arguably better sound. They both have full interfaces, so are both suited to onstage fun and frolics rather than studio tinkering, but the Ion has the option for deeper studio tinkering if the user so wishes.
is that there is no screen or LCD display to look at
It looks and feels like a proper instrument rather than an extension of your PC or whatever (not that it doesn't make a decent controller keyboard)
It's simplicity is its attractiveness - in my opinion
horses for courses
I guess it's up to restlessboy to go to his local synth emporium and start tweaking knobs
I'll be lucky. Probably have to schlep over to bristol from cardiff to even look at any synths.
plus like I said I'm a good £85 short of an alesis micron which is (on the basis of the above) clearly preferable to a microkorg.
and FYI I'm much more likely to be using it in a 'studio' context than live.
cheaper than microkorg when i bought it.
just plug in your midi controller keyboard and go here
is it free?
click on the download link for the file from rapidshare
unpack the .rar using the password given
follow the installation instructions
and if you like it then go out and buy it*
*this is a disclaimer - it's not strictly necessary to do this
no USB in work.
what s mistake-ah to make-ah!
stick it on a CD-r
take the cd-r home
install at home
have dloaded it. at what point should i have got the password?
you need the password to unpack the .rar
(it's vstclub.com in case you didn't notice)
when you come to install it at home it'll ask for a serial number - just run the keygen.exe programme and click generate
copy and paste the serial no
and you're in synth heaven
except I've managed to delete it, we've no 'recycle bin' and it won't let me download again. *sigh*
i'll try again tomorrow.
way to go einstein!
i didn't realise we had no recycle bin. obviously when you work for the government you'd never need to retrieve an important document now would you?
i've managed to download it again and established that there is in fact a USB connection on this machine but when I put my pen in it won't show up anywhere. It knows it's there cos the 'safely remove hardware' thing shows up but i can't find it to put the bastard thing on it.
or perhaps just go and click through the 'drives' on your 'my computer section'
as that should be where it is
on a mac? I tried it last night and it didn't even know how to open a .rar file.
you didn't tell me you had a mac
work on a mac then?
but I can find you one that does
but you'll have to register