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Bands that refuse to borrow equipment (amps, heads, cabs, drum kits) are knob heads!
ones that refuse to borrow have only themselves to blame...
its pretty fair for someone to refuse to lend, if you have really expensive equipment that you dont want to have someone else destroy thats fair enough. My vintage 1970s amp was annihilated by the guitarist from esquilax on tour last summer. totally destroyed. so now im a bit touchier about my shit. and i understand when a band doesnt want me using their amp or whatever.
It can be an utter arse if someone decides to destroy your stuff.
Until you know a band it's a bit of a risk just letting them use stuff like that.
equipment sharing has always served us well. we usu supply drums and borrow amps, tho not always that way round. I've no probs in doing it, and on the times I've lent amps etc out, I've no probs in people changing settings etc, but the whole thing (on both sides) is always done with the attitude that what you borrow is not yours and so should respect it.
If someone was wreckless enough to break my amp, I'd be livid... if I was tough, I may even be tempted to exact some sort of physical revenge... but alas I'd probably cry like an Emo.
but I always need to reassure the owner that we're not going to fuck with the settings, put a guitar through the speaker or play over 1/3 volume... and I always offer to buy them a beer at least. I can't believe there are people selfish enough to take advantage of someone else's generosity by blowing an amp or willfully wrecking it, I'd pummel that f*** within an inch of their life if they did it to me.
Perhaps there should be a written agreement beforehand... you break it, you pay for it...?
guy from esquilax wasnt being selfish, just being himself, and hes noisy, and my amp was sensitive. it took about 2 gigs of the tour before he managed it though. its all fine as long as you dont go all "look at me and my brutal feedback" on someone elses amp, thats just not nice.
you should just by your own, innit
not just for safety of otehr people's property, but because youre going to be able to do it better on your own stuff
I'm happy to lend out stuff like that (including two(!) amps tonight) but generally the bands don't seem to play the kind of music that would kill an amp... Was it just volume or proper willfil destruction?
Having said that, I'd probably be a bit more funny about it if it was a splendid vintage amp instead of the knackered old suitcase with a speaker that I normally use...
from the point of view of both promoting and playing, is a band that turns up with no kit at all (except guitars) expecting other acts to furnish them with their equipment needs. Having not mentioned in advance that they were going to do this.
Or, and this happened to AndrewViolet years ago, a band that says "yeah you can use our drumkit" then when you actually turn up decides that you can't use the snare or cymbals, just the rest of it...
Luckily for them they persuaded the drummer otherwise....
You'd never expect to be able to use another drummer's cymbals or snare so if a drummer was okaying their kit use they'd probably expect snare and cymbals to be provided by another band.
However.....I think it sucks to not lend amps/drum kit. Fair enough if it is a particularly sensitive vintage amp (don't go lending it to a metal band). I just despair with bands that use fairly robust gear but are just arsey about lending it. I think when you do use someone elses equipment you're going to be by and large you're going to be respectful and if you're not, you shouldn't expect to be lending equipment from too many bands in the future.
We've lent equipment to other bands and on one occasion a cab blew up. It was a bit of a pain, but then we had been using the cab for years, we couldn't blame the guy who used it once for 15 minutes and was unlucky enough for it to break.
It just annoys me when bands leave their equipment on stage (taking up valuable space) but refuse to let the other bands use the equipment. I just want to tell them to pull their heads in and stop being such idiots.
Also, the bands that don't lend equipment, usually end up being the worst band of the night.
or rather I don't like it when bands don't but it's still understandable.
One weird occasion I had was when we played with a band and the drummer wouldn't let us borrow his kit as it was an old 60s one or something.
This didn't really matter as we had another kit to use but then when the band played they turned out to be an extremely thrashy noise band and this drummer smacked the SHIT out of his kit. Pretty funny :D
I did a gig last year where another band were using our drum kit, and we were using their bass amp.
All was well, until halfway through our set, when the bassist from the other band jumped up on the stage, unplugged my bass and stood right in my face, with a pint glass in his hand, shouting.
Apparently I'd committed the crime of using a fuzz pedal, which mr '1958' seemed to think was gonna fry his amp (which as he kept saying, used to belong to John Entwistle)...
did you kill him and keep playing?
No, we just stopped and walked off, and the guitarist chucked his guitar at the drumkit.
In retrospect that wasn't as cool as it sounds, cos some big gig agency were there to see us that night...only no one told me. Might have struggled on if I'd have known
Hang on. He's worried about a bass amp belonging to a member of The Who, the band who famously destroyed their equipment every gig?
A bigger cock than I thought at first even. :D
I know, a total geniouse.
what Fuzz Pedal do you use? Quite fancy one meslef.
Just used the guitarists big muff on that occasion...haven't really settled on a live way to get the recorded bass sickness that I go for on recordings.
Ever tried a colorsound power boost? They sound like the world ending
still funny the second time round.
the who were obviously known for playing clean, and treating their equipment with respect.
Headline band supplies the kit.
Bass Amp might as well be shared.
Swapping over guitar amps ain't no problem though. I quite like to use my own amp but if anyone needs to use it then Im more than happy to let them.
In other news. (unsigned / unknown)Bands who bring their own sound man can fuck right off and die. You really fuck me off you cunts !!
A band brings their own sound engineer that's something less to worry about, isn't it?
The idea that a headline act brings all the kit doesn't really seem to ring true so often. I'd expect it but I guess everyone's realised now that playng 'headline' actually just means playing to an empty room because everyone's had to go home by then...
Had a gig on Friday and the last act brought their own sound man which kinda ruined it for all the other bands who couldn't even get a sound check becase he was taking so long. But it was ok because in his words "Shit Happens!" What a tosser.
The main sound guy was a wet and just let himself get pushed into a corner. When it came to the other bands playing he just had to blag the sound.
The thing is the headline bands were really fucking awful !!
I actually hate that. I've had a terrible gig thanks to the sound engineer just not caring enough to move people on.
This sounds as bad as the worst gig my old band played where the headline or penultimate act had a load of keyboards and stuff they were setting up and the sound guy just watched them and then let them soundcheck for ages.
To my mind he should have been hurrying them up and making sure they didn't hog all the soundcheck time just because they happened to have so many instruments.
It was all a bit micky mouse but to be honest in the end (after a few tweeks) we still had a good gig so I was happy.
And by the time the last band went on everyone had gone home anyway.
I had my own soundman, a lot of them are complete cocks.
But on the same token I have met some really nice, great sound guys.
hard to come by. As for bands that don't bring anything and they're headlining, *rolley eyes*. Moan over.
Yeah I hear that.
Mind you if they are coming from a long distance so phone in advance and ask then I don’t mind.
But if a headline band just turns up and assumes then…*rolls eyes also*.
assuming we got asked to do a gig tomorrow and we were headlining, it wouldn't even be possible for me to supply a decent quality amp as it's not in London, so to merely assume rolly-eyes to a headline band sans equipment is a bit off doesn't always apply.
even if my amp was here it's fuckken heavy and needs to be driven around, and I don't have a car and none of the band drive! and Taxi-ing to a far off venue often costs a packet!
Provided the promoter's are doing their jobs and put all the bands in touch well in advance there are seldom any problems to be honest.
We never have a problem people using our gear but its def nice to know even like a day in advance or something.
But yes you are right - as long as the promoter provides numbers etc then there is never a problem.
but if you take a headline slot I think you have to be prepared to supply all the equipment. Even if you don't let anyone use it (which would be odd) it's hard to expect others to lend you equipment when they could be going home.
If I took a headline slot last minute I wouldn't do it unless I knew either I could get the equipment I needed there or I'd been assured the equipment would be there. If it cost a lot of money then I guess I must consider it to be a gig worth playing.
He's mental... and he scares the shit out of me... he's a decent sound guy though...
he sounds funny. I don't like the ones that don't listen and do what they prefer rather than what you want.
Looking at the Wall-of-feedback-turned-into-a-mewl type response up there I can definitely go with that...
Having said that, if they fuck their hering up then they're out of a job.
high-tech ear plugs should do the trick. I want some made, but they're over £100. I'll stick to my £12.99 ones for rehearsals. :)
Ooooooooooooooooo what oooooooooooo do ooooooooooooo you oooooooooooooo mean ooooooooo earplugs? ooooooooooooooo
you've driven 100 miles to play a shit venue to no people and had one of the opening bands spill a pint of beer all over your amp with no apology, you'll understand why people don't like lending out amps.
The unwritten rule is bring your own snare and cymbals.
Is a double-edged sword. I always lend my kit if I bring it to gigs (which is most of the time now). I think it is slightly knobby to just completely say no. I smash the fuck out of it so it would be unfair to blame others for damaging it.
i do wince sometimes when i see other people playing it who aren't very good. One guy even BLED on them once. And then he said to me "your drums are shit i wish i'd brought my own".hahaha.
But there are loads of gigs i just wouldn't have been able to do if i couldn't borrow a kit. but i have always got in touch beforehand (myspace is great way to do this) and asked, and i have always been careful with other people's stuff and I've always said thank you.
Those gestures haven't always been returned. sometimes bands do turn up with nothing which, as much as i feel like a bad person for saying this, does annoy me. i played one gig where the support band even wanted to use my drumsticks. and the guitarist in that band also said to our guitarist (who has a vast array of expensive pedals-the muso) "can i just use your pedals"
"but you don't know how to use them, they wil make you sound bad"
"I don't mind."
I certainly wouldn't care if someone I lent equipment to left before or during my set. Just 'cos I'm doing someone a favour doesn't mean they're obliged to like my music and I'd much prefer someone left the room than watched under duress.
I get the sense of obligation and all that.
But when I'm on stage I'm usually aware of the audience and which people are enjoying it and which aren't. I want people to have fun at my gigs and I'd hate to think someone was standing there watching out of obligation. To me that would be much, much, much ruder than politely popping outside where they'd be happier.
To be honest it makes sense all round to lighten the load of carrying stuff and I don't see any logic for not sharing kit.
it's important to arrange it all beforehand and not just turn up and assume.
Whenever I promote a gig I always talk to the bands and take it on myself to make sure all the bands know who's bringing what and what can be shared a couple of weeks before the gig.
I'm amazed how many promoters leave it for bands to sort out themselves.