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lets see what the late night big wigs make of it...
Fucking hate it
what did the cunts say?
At least two of them had no clue what they were talking about.
I couldn't decide which reviewer was most annoying.
I am happy to hear critics talk about say, theatre or new fiction, which I am quite ignorant of, but "highbrow" critics discussing supposedly "exciting, contemporary" music is always so cringeworthy when you have an awareness of the subject and the reference points.
It's the whole Observer Music Monthly / Kitty Fucking Empire embarrassement effect.
almost as much as the culture show
At least one fella stood up for it.
The bald fella hated it because the went to a posh university and didn't sound like the clash.
The blonde woman was just clueless and hated it because it wasn't cheerfull.
I would be surprised if he didn't go to private school.
as in author of deadkidsongs and Corpsing...I like him. I guess this isn't repeated anywhere huh?
I meant Toby Young, Julie Burchill Modern Review man
thought Litt sounded like an odd choice!
from 12:00 tomorrow
he said it was the most exciting, edgy album he had heard in 3 or 4 years
and he has his picture by his Guardian articles
It's low culture, it's not something they're supposed to understand. Germaine Greer giving The Play What I Wrote a kicking on the grounds of its programme remains one of the most foot-through-television moments in living memory.
cited "Closer". Huh?
she also said it in a really smug way as if it was cool that she had heard it or maybe even owned it
combined with debasement = embarrassement
he attended Oxford, Cambridge and Harvard and his father is a peer and his mother an author and artist.
I wish this programme would just fuck off and take the rest of its ignorant siblings with it.
the most ridiculously attractive name ever invented though...
That was great. Before, I had no desire to ever hear an Arcade Fire record, but now I think I do. John Harris is a cunt, and he lloks like Mike Barnes in Hollyoaks
actually. He was top mates with Danny Kendall
he started the magazine Modern Review in the Eighties with Julie Birchall. Cocaine, private members clubs, infidelity etc. He is not one to accuse anybody of the ills of going to private school.
he was the only person speaking any sense, and I don't even like the Arcade Fire that much, the rest just seemed completely out of their depth talking about music...
and the face. Did he write for the NME?
he writes for the Guardian at the moment
i was watching this in the pub (it was subtitled) and I was just transfixed by how these people knew fuck all about music, I'm surprised they didn't fucking tip arctic monkeys as the pinnacle of social commentary.
Why the fuck does going to a posh school invalidate the music you make?
on the album, and i've mentioned what utter prats these people on newsnight review are.
In fact I'm going to post it on here. I did praise the album a bit too much, but that's only because i'm enraged still, and it drove me on to maybe praise the album a bit too much. But still. Joy Division???
I did just this on the way home tonight. One of them (Mad Al, I believe) said that Arcade Fire were a poor man's (and he should know) Northern Uproar. And then he puked up his left hip.
mad watching tv ever!
That guy was ready to jump down their throats just on the basis they went to private school, it looked like the issue had nothing to do with Arcade Fire at all he just wanted to get it off his chest.
I like John Harris for sticking up for them, especially where he accused that woman of not listening to the album.
Was it just me or was there one woman who didn't say anything, as if she didn't want to be involved?
it is hard to accept
I couldn't care less if they didn't like it, but please, don't say they're trying to imitate 'Closer'. That John Harris guy came across really well, and for the most part sounded like he knew what he was talking about.
The blonde woman criticised it for it not being a happy album. OK..........
It sounds so cringeworthy that I actually want to watch it
It's hilarious that the fisrt thing they talk about are the band members' education... what about the fucking MUSIC!?!?!?! Who's the bald man with glasses? He has a real chip on his shoulder and needs to think about that beforee he shoots his mouth off.
These people are supposed to be "critics"... they're supposed to be skilled at analysing artforms and expressing informed opinions about the medium. What a joke!! Their job is communication and they are all really quite bad at it.
If they don't like this record, that's fair enough, but c'mon people at least be decent enough to express your opinions in a coherent, well formed way.
I can't believe these people are adult human beings! This is like watching a group of adolescents arguing about what happened in eastenders last night!! Sack them all!!!
I've just watched this...
what a pile of wank...
still that bloke who looks like him off hollyoaks actually focussed on the music, so good on him
Bob dylans new album - basically old 12 bar blues with him singing over it - was innovative and exciting.
Rearrange these words to form a well known phrase:
a damn good old but they were talking about it like it was tago mago or something
*damn good album
...and I'm ready to leave before the backlash.
But the album just isn't very good.
I doubt itll be that great to be honest.
But the stance most of them on the programme were taking was just ridiculous.
Some woman thought that they should be talking about yoko onos new album, and that the arcade fire were just "moaning about politics".
Yoko ono once did a protest by sitting in bed.
SITTING IN BED
As I said in my post above, I don't like Arcade Fire but the three non music writers were embarrassing. Especially the toff who criticised a toff in the band for going to private school. Harris' point about being more worried by the number of old Etonians in the Tory front rather than where rock stars went to school was great. Actually, he was pretty good on Newsnight last night but I still stand by what I said about him being a cunt. Just read his Guardian column on a regular basis.
Dunno why so many people on here are so riled about it.
The secret is: watch the whole show, and you will realise that the rest of the panel, Young and the blonde woman in particular, reveal themselves to be snotty fuckwads. The Arcade Fire comes at the end like a brilliant punchline; Young bitching about toffs fronting indie bands without even a sniff of irony after wanking on the whole night and being all superior; John Harris finally allowing himself ("Why are you tutting?") to air his utter contempt for that (God, she made me angry) vaccuous shitstain to his right who thinks British political drama should resemble seaside postcards and that bands should stop being gwumpy and pway nice tunes instead.
Actually, SHE made me very angry. Buit Kirsty was there to make her look stupid, so that's OK. Oh Kirsty....
(That didn't work :-. )
Which is probably just as well, but it doesn't really come as a surprise. The Newsnight Review has always been unbearably pretentious nonsense, and the clips I saw of it (on Charlie Brooker's Screen Wipe) when they discussed the Nintendo Wii a few months back was pretty painful.
as when they discussed Artic Monkeys. Germaine Greer saying "it's got a good beat" and other such in depth things.
Basically on a par with my dad saying "sounds a bit like Simon And Garfunkle" in response to anything I play him.
I've just watched it. "Sounds like 20 truckers in a bar in Texas". Good grief. Goof on john Harris though, I like his hair.
I don't want to goof on anyone to be frank.
that bald man is a penis isn't he? i still don't understand why class is such an issue in music.
and that woman going "well i thought it was going to sound like a mix of the Wedding Present and the Afghan Wigs, but it didn't, so I didn't like it" -what the hell kind of way is that to go into an album?
and that other knobber saying it didn't really have anything you could dance to. NO CARS GO!
I'm suprised that other man didn't call them all idiots.
Are you going to Twisted tonight Mr Springsdean? The fact that I don't know who you are is really starting to bother me :-)
"I REALLY LIKE THE AFGAN WHIGS AND THE WEDDING PRESENT AND JOY DIVISION"
"I heard they went to public school, which I think is rubbish"
"I don't listen to music"
"Yeah, it was mostly good"
but John Harris is a prat, and if he was the best one I'm not bothering watching it.
what exactly is his position? that if you happened to both go to a private school and not get regularly sent to detention (oooh, detention! how rebellious!) you're not allowed to make music with any kind of social commentary whatsoever?
that blond woman was the worst though. she clearly had absolutely no context or frame of reference or interest in music whatsoever, and so had no business reviewing it. at least the dark-haired one (whose comments were sometimes fair) had obviously listened to some similar music at some point
but his book about moving to New York and working for vanity fair is actually quite a fun read. But i think a lot of it is exageratted to make us feel sorry for him. meh.
'My Body is a Cage' is a duff track? Stupid cunt. Just not as stupid or as big a cunt as the others.
I watched this on the Newnight Review page on the BBC website last night. Even though I find Arcade Fire about as intersting as Colin Dull of 25 Grey Avenue, Boringsville it angered me greatly. The blonde women was the worst, completely out of her element, she had no frame of reference like a child who has wondered into the middle of a movie...
The BBC know frak all about new music.