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is that i really should listen to more hardcore.
apart from the fact that LAHC beats NYHC any day, Gorilla Biscuits didn't have the songs, the mentality or the ability to turn into a fucking jazz band.
this other side of Black Flag, so I can't really comment on that. I'm just basing this on hardcore.
just hardcore with more intelligence than a standard 2 chord blast.
So what Black Flag album(s) should I be listenining to?
you have such a way with words when it comes to slagging bands off.
I haven't heard Gorilla Biscuits :(
no way! If you include all the crappy metal etc then yes. Have you heard the first Die Kreuzen LP? Awesome-o!
As are Bad Brains.
Gorilla Biscuits just another band.
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I love Rollins Band.
Is that what you mean? If so, nooooooooooooo
don't mention the Rollins Band in the same breath as Black Flag.
You mean in the sense that "Black Flag aren't as good as Rollins Band"? Like that?
are not just another band. admittedly they dont sound as groundbreaking or full on aggressive today as the others, but they were the first of the second wave of straight edge hardcore bands along with youth of today and were one of the first harcore bands to really bring in melody and songs, not just pit anthems. They took the speed of minor threat, the positivity of bad brains and melded it to super catchy songs. They may not have had as much of an impact on 'serious' bands like black flag or minor threat did, but they did give birth to the whole melodi-hardcore scene.
but to be honest, theyre just the band that most affected me personally (and one of the bands that we rip off in cpwk the most) so i feel pretty close to them.
and anyway, minor threat is better than all the west coast shit.
I know they were an important band to alot of people, I was just saying in comparison to Black Flag, you're right they are kind of different eras really.
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Born Against > Gorilla Biscuits
and on a day when I'm super pissed off and listening to Well Fed Fuck I'd probably say BA are better than Black Flag.
of the reformed Gorilla Biscuits and they fucking own. Just great songs.
i have a couple of GB bootlegs, the songs are just so positive and really not hate-filled which makes such a change from pretty much every other 80s hardcore band (except for bad brains obv.).
have Henry Rollins so they win by default
Saying that I think I prefer Minor Threat over Black Flag
Bad Brains were great but some songs weren't all that.
I think Sacred Love is one of the worst songs I own
Its hard to compare the different regional scene's of early eighties hardcore bands fairly, i.e West Coast/East Coast/Mid-West/Texas, as the geography and the socio-economic-political climate of the different places had such a profound influence on the sound of that initial wave of bands.
Personally though, Black Flag are still my favourites. Mainly for their musical progression as they saw everyone trying to copy them, doing it their way and making it work, GETTING IN THE VAN, and the fact that Damaged is probably one of the top 5 albums of all time.
Never liked Gorilla Biscuits, seemed flimsy. Born Against still sound fucking incredible.
And other first wave favourites would be Bad Brains, Negative Approach, DOA, Dag Nasty, Big Boys, Government Issue, SSD. There's loads I've missed.
^^ Interesting points.
I'm no hardcore afficionado since I was about 5 when the scene was in full swing, but my retrospective tastes favour the output of the Boston bands. Although I like Black Flag a lot.
Anyone like Infest?
powerviolence is my favourite silly genre name.
but they were murderously good at ATP.
The impression that I get is that Negative Approach were kind of the connaisseurs choice of early 80's hardcore. Touch & Go put their records out, and they didn't hail from a scene that was perceived as 'cool' at the time, unlike NY, DC and LA one's.
As I was born in 81 most this is gleaned from books (and obviously the music itself), predominantly Steven Blush's American Hardcore, which is an excellent read even if this genre of music isn't necessarily yr thing.
One thing that is rarely mentioned actually is how rife homosexuality (and the homophobia the counteracted it) was within the scene nation-wide.
Black Flag really were great (get first 4 years and Damaged) although went rapidly downhill by the end in my opinion. Gorilla Biscuits, decent but not earth-shattering.
Minor Threat and Born Against are probably my favourite hardcore bands though. Minor Threat are just so powerful and heavy even now. I am biased though as Fugazi are my favourite band of all times.
Born Against were just as perfect as music can be.