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Yo ho ho. I'm about to listen to it. I'm very, very excited. Bring on the hardcore...
so I have a press pass thing for a streaming of the album. The first five tracks literally flew by...much like You Fail Me only slightly more brutal if that's imaginable. A little more double kick drum, that kinda thing. But there's apparently a 10 minute beast lurking somewhere in here which I'm eagerly awaiting.
...they're really not fucking around. This is like being repeatedly punched in the head. Seriously, I don't think I've ever heard an album that's so quick out of the blocks. It's genuinely terrifying.
don't say anything unless it's labotomisingly positive
Meh. When are Dillinger back?
but hopefully when they do come back it won't be with gash like Unretrofied. If you're hoping for a 'better than Jane Doe' pronouncement, it's not gonna happen. I'm gonna reserve judgement for now, but it is getitng progressively better. Certainly the best hardcore release of 2006.
really weird vocals on what I'm assuming is the 10 minute track. Sound absolutely nothing like Jacob's usual delivery. Very cool though.
Jane Doe... was noise.
For this new album to be better than Jane Doe, Converge would have to produce something that wasn't just noise. Something that approached a tune. Something with a bit of groove to provide contrast to the chaos. Something that was heavy without just cranking up the gain everywhere and having someone scream incoherently over the top. Something that rewards repeat listens. Something with a change in pace.
And if it just happened to include something with the same amount of nerve as Unretrofied - a simple song executed in the style of musicians who have the confidence and technical ability to know that no genre is beyond or beneath them, then all the better.
...didn't Converge do a cover of some Cure song one time? Now that was good.
can't agree with you there I'm afraid. As a whole, I enjoyed Miss Machine but Unretorfied is a genuinely horrible track. I'd something like Weekend Sex Change would be a better example of DEP spreading their wings musically.
As for Jane Doe, it's really not just noise and it really does reward repeat listens - there's a fair amount of melody and subtlety underneath the surface. And Converge can hit a groove with the best of them.
You should check out The Guillaume Seam.
as only shallow says, theres plenty of groove and melody in converge, at least on jane doe, whereas to me DEP sounds like completely hookless fretwank
didnt they do a cover of some aphex twin track one time? now that was amusing for about 5 seconds before you realised that it was just people showing off how closely they could replicate the original whilst neutering it of most of its power and impact.
DEP used to be quite good but they never touched Converge because at least Converge sound like people playing music rather than shouting robots. Calculating Infinity was kind of enjoyable, as was the Mike Patton EP for a while, but Miss Machine was a heap of cack.
You're both luddites.
I would suggest that if you're listening to DEP and finding hookless fretwank, this is an example of something flying over your head. But then, finding grooves where the average punter hears only noise is part of the fun of being a tech-wanker, so I forgive you.
I also forgive your batty claim that playing an electronic song completely organically with Chris Pennie drumming and Mike Patton on vocals could in any way neuter it of any power or impact.
As it is, I personally find the Aphex Twin original completely weak and lightweight now the DEP version exists.
you're trying to lecture me on tech metal. That's
No more amusing than thinking any part of that post save the "luddite" comment concerned you.
But while I'm here I might as well humour you: I would never try to lecture you on tech metal - you're obviously the eminent expert on the topic. I am merely satisfied to favour the band with the better musicians - since they will invariably produce the music with superior technical, and therefore, emotional depth. This is as true of metal as it is for any other genre you can care to mention.
However I'm willing to admit I'm wrong on one point - I'm listening to Jane Doe as I write this - it certainly is more tuneful than it was in my head at the time of writing my earlier post. It is however, also more underwhelming from technical point of view than I remember it being. And every song uses exactly the same formula, to the point of being in the same key. Here's a tip - tuning down to the lowest possible point and then playing in that key is not the only path to heaviness.
They've still got great tone though.
"Jane Doe was noise"
Is complete and total utter BOLLOCKS!
But I'm quite disillusioned with hardcore and right now, this album's sounding quite brilliant.
No can do. Would love to but I value my job. I want to make clear I don't actually like Norma Jean in any real sense, but I find their shameless plagarism of Botch vaguely enjoyable on occasion.
Plagiarism of Botch?! They've disguised that VERY well! If they were anything like Botch I'd feel alright about telling people I know who they are.
Really, they owe the most unbelievably huge debt to Botch that it's untrue. Even the Botch myspace page acknowledges as such. Just listen to the chords and harmonics they use. Not to mention the vocal delivery.
I find it hard to dislike them - it's all fairly generic but I've heard a lot worse and it sounds half decent when drunk.
...would that be the reissue of 'My Love, My Way', which they released in 2003, Ben?
new modern life is war record?
the new Wow, Owls record, or Sika Redem for that matter (does that count as hxc?) or the Pyramids one. Or the new I Would Set Myself on Fire For You, or Daughters! Or the I Wrote Haikus About Cannibalism In Your Yearbook demo
Yeah I'm bored of most straight up hardcore - screamo is where its at nowadays. That and black metal. But that's another thread.
the Landmine Warfare record? Granted its a crap band name, but its on level plane and it owns. 3 guitars + bass + drums + super screamy girl vocals = SLAAAAAAY.
Modern Life Is War are fucking terrible, and although Norma Jean do totally rip off Botch and wear their sisters jeans, they're good for a bit of guilty pleasure weeedly-weeedly-jun-jun-jun-ree-jun-ree fun occasionally. Bless the martyr.. was way better than O God...
After three amazing albums and one good one (You Fail Me) Im unsure of the direction Converge should go in. Should they keep playing the aggressive spastic hardcore we know and love or should they try to drastically reinvent themselves? They're one of the few hc bands I still listen to, the whole genre seems to be creatively spent in my opinion. I think Converge are weary about alienating the hc scene by doing anything less heavy so they'll just continue with these 1 or 2 longs atmospheric songs per album.
I reckon they could easily do an album that ups the post rock elements or even acoustic stuff. I mean Ten Cents is one of my favourite tracks by them. Fuck the scene.
I will check that out ASAP. Sounds great. Cheers!
I like MLIW, though maybe they're a touch overrated.
Wow owls! are great.
Plus I like Converge and Dillinger in equal measures, but to be fair converge win just for there sheer aggression and passion.
Wow, Owls have a new record? I thought they split up about 6 months ago.
as do all screamo bands.
it must be a re-issue?
Or maybe its just Pick Your Patterns but he's a bit late!
only heard of about 6 of those bands :( . I'm lame.
Cheers for the list though, will check some of those out.
Yes there is. 'Pee Sout' - self released CDR of three new songs plus some old demo stuff.
about screamo that makes people needlessly argumentative? And like making lists?
Must be all that scraming!!