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Do us all a favour, catch fire and die.
I feel better now
Only go to metal gigs. Problem solved.
Must I die too? What about ordering drinks? What about making comments to your friends about the performance?
OMG it's a minefield of death and fire and the catching on of it.
Well... y'know... fuck those people. I reserve the right to mutter to my friend "When are they gonna play something good?" 20-30 times a show...
talk about this wicked book you're reading for about 15 minutes while watching jeniferever. her boyfriend just didn't give a shit either. sad really when you think about it.
Drinks should be ordered through the medium of mime. Comments should be written down and then shown to the person in question. Murmuring is STRICTLY prohibited.
Obviously to an extent it's frustrating when people talk. Sometimes you do get people who just don't seem to acually want to watch the music and that is silly and annoying. But, in my experience, when audiences talk it's often due to the performer's failure to engage the audience.
Often when I'm out playing or supporting friends who are playing I talk over other acts and it's usually cos' they aren't actually very entertaining. Ultimately when you go out and see a band or a singer-songwriter they're there to entertain you and it seems silly to blame the audience for the performer's shortcomings.
but if you're not enjoying it or don't care why stand at the front and talk/shout, thus annoying people who could be enjoying and do care, when you could fuck off to the bar and entertain yourself there?
I usually do fuck off to the bar and entertain myself there.
i believe this thread is questioning the reasoning of those who do not. any of them around?
true! but at least they're happy
go to more metal gigs. you'll have a happier life.
That's why I'll never pay to see Biffy Clyro. Their fans are muy stupido - drowning out the singer with THEIR singing, actually filling in all the harmonies, shouting out for songs that will never be played, that idiotic Biffy football chant. The list goes on. Makes me want to kill the lot of them.
from a Seafood gig last night but it's always been a major gripe.
Of course it's ok to talk, but there were two girls right at the front who were literally screaming at each other. I was nearer the back and could hear them over the band. It's not like Seafood are metal either, they have plenty of slow burners and all you could hear were these two cowbags.
Couple of twunts behind me too were just non stop shouting at each other all the way through.
Go to the pub! Go home, put the band's album on and shout all you like!
Annoying. Why pay money to see a gig and yap through it? Cunty.
talking at gigs, but talking so loudly you can hear them over the band is out of order. If you want to talk, fair enough, but why are you standing at the front taking up space? I don't mind signing along so much, but again if its really loud it can get very irritating. For the band as well i'm sure!
have you ever watched late night signed music TV? It's amazing, you should see them when they get to the air guitar. aceness.
when those two guys were being absolute cunts during Gay Against You. Though that was less talking than trying to join in with the band. Still, FUCK OFF!
knob. I'm not going to have to explain why, it's quite obvious that you are.
"when audiences talk it's often due to the performer's failure to engage the audience."
Whenever I've heard people talking at gigs it's been because they've obviously just turned up for something to do, or to annoy everyone else...
And if people have turned up for something to do and are talking rather than listening then I rather think that proves my point that the perfomer isn't engaging them.
one of the most times I've ever been annoyed was when some dickheads turned up to Oceansize and just kept shouting "YER MUM" and "YER NAN" to Mike Vennart (singer). You could obviously tell that Mike was getting annoyed and tried to ignore them. After a while it was getting so annoying that Mike started giving it him back saying "yeah its always good to have a few nan jokes to pull out of the bag, how original...". Then to make it even worse, as they were trying to play, two girls pushed their way down to the front and started trying to take pictures of him CONSTANTLY with their phones, nearly going right up to his face. He obviously felt very awkward. ARGH. I wanted to stick toothpicks inbetween my fingers and punch them in the eyes.
yep, thats the one that gets me, people with their fucking phones holding them up for the entire show and filming it. I dont know if theyre trying out some new kind of philosophical attitude where things must only be witnessed through a screen to allow experience to be a acqired as part of a studied formula but its unlikely. Theyre just cunts.
Put the phone down and watch the fucking band.
where they're so desperately trying to capture a memorable experience they never actually let themselves experience it.
I remember playing at some dive in Dundee and two cokehead girls came up and started dancing onstage with us.
I should probably mention there was a pole, so you get a reasonable idea of what was going on.
And they get in the way of the folks with camcorders. So whenever I spend 3 days downloading a bootleg video of a band I like, odds are it will give me a shot of the backs of many people's heads and audio of the crowd talking about whatever people at gigs like to talk about.
there was a kid at the front who spen the entire gig trying to touch the musicians upon the stage. i was just wincing with embarrassment for him throughout.
If it's loud and danceable and people have to shout it can kind of add to the atmosphere.
It's when you've got people talking loudly at, let's say, a Low gig or some foky guitarist person or a solo gig. Like there was someone talking rather loudly at the back of the tent during Emmy The Great at Truck, bragging about how drunk they got the night before. It might even have been a DiSer, hehe...
People in the audience trying to talk to the band whilst they're onstage is annoying too. i'd prefer heckling. And heckling sucks. i'd heckle heckling.
you should not talk during performances full stop.
I reserve the right to then converse in a discreet fashion (although I do have a loud voice so that can be tricky).
I dislike the idea of unconditional respect towards performers on stage. There are twats who just talk and annoy people at gigs but I still feel that to just say "you should not talk during performances" completely ignores the fact that it's a twofold problem.
I guess I ultimately think that it's wrong to come out and talk and not to give the acts performing a chance but, if you've given them sufficient chance and they're just not entertaining you (which is, after all, what you've paid money for) then why the hell shouldn't you be permitted to entertain yourself instead?
It's certainly not possible to talk without the performer noticing - it's always really obvious (and damn annoying) when someone is talking during a performance.
But, at the same time, I think it's a vital experience to go through. If you're just starting out playing and you play places where people listen respectfully whether they like you or not then you learn nothing and never improve. And everyone in the audience might hate you anywway but just not be speaking.
I think it's only through going through the experience of playing when some of the audience are obviously disinterested that you learn how to improve as a perfomrer and learn how to increase the numbers of people listenting and bring down the numbers of people talking.
'Do us all a favour, catch fire and die.'
I LOVE IT.
if you are bored, and other people aren't you should be respectful to those enjoying the performance
and everyone else is too?
But being serious you can usually tell - especially if you're in a small venue. It's pretty obvious if there's absolutely no interest at all in what's going on on stage.
case study: mono at the ICA, you could hear a pin drop it was so quiet, even the air conditioning seemed loud! mono at the garage, saturday night, cunts talking and yelling managing to drown out even the louder bits. cunts.
there are visual signs of people enjoying themselves you know? you don't have to be a fucking mind reader for some things
They go on a date AT A GIG and then feel the need to keep making utterly bland comments to oneanother to ensure that it doesn't seem that they are ignoring oenanother.
It always makes me laugh when people choose places to go to purely based on the fact that they don't have to find too many things to say to each other whilst there.
that this gig wasn't a total wash out.
I was stood next to an absolute stunning girl who was quiet through the whole gig!
in fact if they knew the song i encourge itbut i was doing a gig few weeks ago and this guy (who is one of the best singer/songwriters in my area) after me was playing some beautyful and moving songs was having to sing over a couple who would not shut up. if you not interested in the singer go to the bar or leave the venuebut don`t ruin the night for other people. i have had wrose though a woman in her late 40`s walked on stage in the middle of a song asking for simply the best so she could sing someple wount even give you resecpt on the the stage
You may be right to an extent but I think it's dangerous to start complaining about people "not even giving you respect on the stage" as it suggests that people not listening to you during gigs is their faults rather than yours.
I've been performing in London for a couple of years and, if I'm being honest, I've only 3 or 4 times had people not listening 'cos they're bad crowds who aren't interested. All the other times people haven't listened to me (particularly earlier on) was simply 'cos I wasn't giving them enough to listen to. I either wasn't performing with enough confidence and conviction or was playing songs I wanted to play without paying any heed to what kind of songs might go down with the crowd*
Especially among acoustic performers (and particularly ones not used to performing), there's often this preciousness and tendency to expect people to sit respectfully through every song you choose to play them but a lot of people find it hard to listen to soul-bearing, introverted, downbeats songs (as many acoustic musicians play) for a long period of time, especially if there's little variety in the set. I also tend to find that acoustic singer-songwriters (even those who write songs very well) are not always the greatest of live performers and what sounds hushed and beautiful in your own bedroom can often fail to transfer to an audeience.
I keep blaming performers on this thread and I know I'm not being entirely fair in doing this but, as a performer, I think you have to take responsibility for how the crowd respond to you and, rather than get bitter and angry at people, wonder if there's more that you can to do to draw in people's attention.
Ultimaely most of us who perform due to our love of doing so and have to accept we're not always going to get respect on stage (and maybe we have no right to expect respect anyway).
People talking during sets is frustrating (and in my experience is sometimes very hurtful) but getting annoyed about the crowd doesn't help at all. I think it's far better to either laugh it off or try to take something positive from it by thinking about what you can learn and how you can improve as a performer.
And you do learn a lot. These days it's much rarer for audiences to talk when I'm playing. There'll always be the odd person and it's not something you can stop completely but I think it's something that's very much within your power as a performer to at least limit to a minimum possible.
*Incidentally it's perfectly acceptable to play what you want to play, even if you don't think crowd will like it (and I think if you only ever play what the crowd wants you'll quickly lose your integrity and love of performing) but if you choose to do something that you know may not sit well with the crowd then it's a mistake to then blame the crowd when they don't take to it.
not when its all quiet tho.
not about people talking i don`t mind that so much but when someone has walked in off the street toataly drunk and asks to sing a song with you who you have never met it is dis respectfull because it disrupst the performance and kinda of upsets people who went in to hear you play
i don`t mind stage invasions as people have fun with it and it`s usely at the end of the set
Although it depends whether or not they out-stayed their welcome. I once had someone shouting out for "Last Christmas" during an entire set. I really wished I knew the chords 'cos it would have probably been fun!
if it's a loud gig, it doesn't matter. But talking through a quiet gig is rude, and I'm always stunned the people doing it don't get horribly ashamed of themselves.
Worst example I've seen - 2 girls next to me at Arab Strap, during Piglet (one of my favourite songs, all quiet and sad) and one of them complained to the other that she hated 'the drony boring quiet ones', then proceeded to talk about her previous night out. IT WAS FUCKING ARAB STRAP! THEY'RE ALMOST ALL DRONY AND QUIET! I don't know why you would pay to see something, then talk through it. If you think it's shit, why not leave?
It is strange when people have paid for a particular act and then talk during them. You would think people knew what they'd see at an Arab Strap gig.
I remember seeing Songdog years ago and getting similarly frustrated by people talking.
or maybe not. There's 2 or 3 gig nights in London I go to every month regardless of who is playing purely 'cos I trust the promoters' judgement in putting on music I enjoy.
saying the songs 'all sounded the same', haha. They did leave though, thankfully.
i could not get her off stage and because i was siting down i could not her away with evally i igorned her and she gave up thankfully a must of the gig have some sort of sccuarty so it only happend once. i also did last christmas at a gig and it went down realy well so never underestmate the power of the chese lol