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The Insider: The Stone Roses & The Resurrection Blues



Like Tamogochi kids wide-eyed with excitement at adding to their collection, The Stone Roses reformation raised barely a critical voice across the media and led to a frenzy of Roses related referencing that went as far as Match Of The Day to my knowledge (which is in itself fairly bizarre) and probably further. Those who were around the first time frenzied at the idea of reliving their youth, those who weren’t seemed to love the idea of wallowing in their parent’s, which, let’s face it, is fucking weird. Whilst much will be made of the amount of tickets sold and the speed they sold at, the suggestion that this was somehow an epoch defining moment was, on the one hand, a sign of the desperate straits in which music and media find themselves and, on the other, far too close to the truth to be comfortable.

There is something profoundly depressing about the NME (and others) suggesting that the Roses gigs will be the event of the summer, that the peak of their hopes for another year of new music is four forty somethings knocking out the best part of an album that was released before their (supposed) readership were, in the main, even a glint in a baggy boy’s eye and some of the other album that, until recently, was still regarded as a disappointment (- expect that to change in the coming weeks as well). On a purely visual level, there is something massively depressing about that NME cover shot. More upsetting is that, in terms of events, they may well be right, given that the likely competition for that title will consist of the following – Foo Fighters, Kasabian, Coldplay, Kings of Leon, Muse, Red Hot Fucking Chili Peppers playing in a big field. At least the Roses shows will involve a band in a big field that haven’t been seen in one since the 1996 debacle that was 50 per cent Roses plus session guitarist and go go dancer (choke) murdering their back catalogue – ‘like taking notes at a car crash’, as Johnny Cigarettes so memorably described it in NME at the time. The difference is that in that year, Underworld were three hundred metres away redefining the future and we could all move on to a new, exciting future. Not this time.

Whilst on the one hand I have absolutely no problem with four mates getting back together to play their songs, on the other hand was I the only one hoping for a little more bile from somewhere at the news or, at the very least, something beyond a ‘hire the band and put out the bunting’ take from the ENTIRE music related media (with very few odd online exceptions)? The wholesale swallowing of the ‘it’s not about money’ line as hospitality tickets went on sale, the clear intent to add into this with a few big festival paydays (I won’t spoil it by saying where but be assured the industry is well aware of what comes next), the inevitable repackaging of the meagre and exhausted back catalogue, the no doubt summer full of monkey walking retreads, living a culture from 20 years ago in the absence of anything to feed into themselves? I usually look to see lights at the end of tunnels when I write these pieces; this reformation offers few, not in its actuality but in the response to it.

If you are on Facebook (as you most probably are) you will have already noted the sponsored content announcing the reformation which has now sat there for two weeks and counting. Perhaps you have ‘Liked’ The Sun’s Facebook page to be in with a chance of winning tickets. It’s all very well for Ian Brown to shoot at the easy target of a Daily Mail journalist in the press conference for a few titters from the associated ‘cool’ music writers but being endorsed by Rupert’s flagship right wing tabloid, with its endless diet of paedo scares and borderline racism is not exactly flying the flag for the counter culture. As to the ‘hospitality’ tickets on sale alongside the standard tickets, ‘One Love’ seems to have transmuted to ‘Two Loves depending on income’ and I hope Ian and friends can swallow the presence of corporate days out when their ethical roadshow rolls into Heaton Park in June. ‘This Is The One (for RBS and HSBC)’ eh Ian? As to other outlets, NME clearly has a stock of tickets for competitions and is on cover number two of two weeks so there’s little chance of any alternative viewpoint from them outside of the freelancer’s Twitters. The sad truth is that, in the main, the potential bankability of a band with their stature is such that I wouldn’t expect any negativity for the rest of next year from the bulk of the music media in its widest sense; regardless of how good or bad the gigs are too much is riding on staying in the tent for too many people. I don’t ever expect truth from music critics but I certainly didn’t expect compliance.

Of course, the dead eye of finance lies at the heart of much of this. For all the talk of the live circuit being inured to the chaos rampaging across the rest of music, the truth is far less prosaic. Live music is as in the can as everyone else and may actually be heading for a worse place than music sales. One very big festival promoter has made it clear to colleagues that they are braced for significant losses across the board in 2012 having just about made it work this year. Small venues are struggling to keep going and many mid-sized venues and promoters of all sizes are on their arses, quite literally. In such a landscape, the return of a guaranteed seller of hundreds of thousands of £60 plus tickets is a very good thing. So, if you are Mr (there are no Mrs.) Festival promoter, a Stone Roses headline performance may set you back the best part of a million quid (almost certainly and perhaps more if you are dual site) but it’s a far better investment than pretty much any other band available to exhort the masses between June and August of 2012. Sure, the four at the centre may be doing it to get something back that they once had but the suggestion that finance has played no part is akin to suggesting that NATO backed the Libyan rebels purely because they believed in their cause. If you are a magazine or newspaper music section editor with falling circulation or a music site trying to get noticed amongst the herd then Roses interviews and chance to win tickets to ‘The Gig of The Summer’ make your self-fulfilling prophecy a nice little earner.

Irrespective of the motivations, the chinking of money bags or the ego led reclamation of past glories, in cultural terms, this can only be a very bad thing. Every generation has had to prise the zeitgeist from the hands of its predecessors and did so rather well up until recently. Whilst it may be a hackneyed and childish narrative, the facts of hippies doing for mods and rockers, punks doing for hippies and so on didn’t just refresh and reinvigorate music, it rejuvenated culture as a whole. Each new twist came equipped with more than just new tunes and rhythms, it took in attitudes to politics and culture, meaning and relevance that helped to shape movements as diverse as CND, Anti-Apartheid and famine relief. The Stone Roses themselves blasted a four foot hole in the indie scene, pushing aside the bookish stay at homes by flinging technicolour laddism mixed with political nous (hence the lemon cover reference to Paris ’68 on the debut album / ‘Elizabeth My Dear’) into the mainstream via the counter culture. Not only that but they dragged the likes of Happy Mondays / Primal Scream / The Charlatans and more after them. Now, through no fault of their own I stress, they are very much part of the problem. Whatever Ian in particular seems to think, there is no route for a band in their position to reinvigorate anything aside from manager / promoter / agent / their own bank balance and, to be fair, to give a lot of people a good night out or two. Pop music is not a medium for the middle aged to make a difference in the way The Roses did in 1989.

When we have blanket acceptance in all areas of the mainstream media that the key moments of recent times are the Pulp and Blur revivals and now The Stone Roses, culture is clearly in a particularly bad place. The ability of new ideas to break through to the general public is stifled by endless waves of shallow nostalgia polluted by financial imperatives and waved through by a compliant and toothless set of critics and commentators who either want the world to stop so they can pretend to be 20 for eternity or are part of the marketing team and thus totally unable to pass any kind of meaningful comment on what is happening. The current forty-somethings have a tight grip on the mainstream agenda and, worryingly, no one seems able to get them out of the way.

As several folk of my acquaintance have pointed out, part of the long term band career plan now is choosing when to split up. The likes of Pulp but, to a lesser extent, even Shed Seven and Ned’s Atomic Dustbin have shown that a well scheduled ‘all mates together’ tour can be a lucrative money spinner for bands who were heading nowhere on their demise. That, in itself, is not a problem. When such things are regarded as being of primary cultural significance it is. We are very close to drawing a line under the progression of mainstream progressive music. That is not just bad news for music, it is bad news for culture as a whole and leads to a greyer and less dynamic future for all.

P.S. After this was written it was announced that The Ordinary Boys have reformed for a December tour. Which says it all really doesn’t it?

Brilliant

Bang on

If the gigs are going to be full of people who are like Matthew Jarvis in the FB comments

..then I'm glad I didn't get a ticket.

I love the Roses, but to paraphrase them, the past was theirs. And the future's ours

The moral high ground is a fun place to be...

... and I do agree with a lot of the points made. It seems worth pointing out that at the bottom of the e-mail I got with Drowned In Sound's daily bulletin there was an advert for cut-price Mamma Mia tickets. I'd be a bit more careful about sniping at other members of the music media for their status as corporate breadheads - you're not exactly a photocopied fanzine, you know.

To be fair

he's not a DiS writer per se, he's an anonymous industry insider grumbling about how shit an industry that he still chooses to work for is, I think he's fairly upfront about the fact he's not some holier than thou monk figure.

I agree with most that this reformation crap is corporate bollocks

but this:

``We are very close to drawing a line under the progression of mainstream progressive music. That is not just bad news for music, it is bad news for culture as a whole and leads to a greyer and less dynamic future for all.``

It's only bad news for music if you think that mainstream music is where to go for musical progression/dynamism/etc, which you'd have to be a mug to do. Actual music (the artform, not the business) is in rude health.

OK, fair enough...

...but my beef isn't actually with the write him/herself, as per my original post I agree with a lot of the points they make even though I was gutted to miss out on Stone Roses tickets myself, and even the bits I don't agree with are at least thought-provoking.

The crux of my point (which I probably didn't articulate very well) is that it would be disingenuous to separate the message from the medium entirely, and it does seem like the people behind this splendid website are doing their best to have their cake and eat it by hiding behind the 'anonymous insider' front.

Get over it, dickheads

mamma mia advert?

if it was in the daily rss feed mailout, then that is a Google advert (as Feedburner is a free service) that we have no control over and google gets the dosh from.... I don't think you can really correlate the pittance that comes from ad revenue on DiS and the £10m+ Stone Roses are getting for reforming.

All fair points but........

who wouldn't want millions in their bank account to reform? If you'd been in the business for yonks and had never really made a tidy sum from it and then all of a sudden someone says "yeah, but what about doing it for THIS much?". It'd be quite tempting.
It doesn't sit at all well with Squires now quite cringeworthy "I will not desecrate the grave blah de blah" artwork, and Brown saying he'd only do it if the money went to charity. They seem to have forgotten all that side of it but hey ho........
I'm not going by the way, didn't even bother trying. I did see them at Spike Island though. The sound was shite.

In that case

I should hold my hands up and say I was wrong to use the Mamma Mia advert as the hook on which to hang my argument. Apologies for that one. I stand by the 'having your cake and eating it' point though.

We still have

our treasured Reading 96 footage to revel in if this reformation goes tits up, eh! Comedy gold...

What does it take to move on from the "glories" of yesteryear in order to get to the next big and exciting phenomenon? How many times do we have to endure New Order and Libertines 'breaking up' just to regroup 'one more time'? It puts Robert Plant's brave decision to put Led Zep to rest in context amazingly, not to mention Thurston Moore's wry comment that Sonic Youth would have made more money if they disbanded in 1995 and reformed now than they have by staying together...

Fair play to The Stone Roses.

If people who like them want to see them and pay to see them, then there's really nothing wrong with that at all.
It might be a wider cultural problem that not many bands from recent history have reached the size where they can generate the level of excitement that that this reunion has, but that's really a separate issue, and I'm not sure it's caused by a bunch of forty something gatekeepers refusing to listen to anything new...

If you are wondering why there's near universal praise of the reunion, (so far) it's fairly simple. A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVED THEM. There wasn't too much division about them at the time. They had five tracks in John Peels festive 50 in 1989. The indie kids loved them, the ravers loved them, They actually unified people, - fools gold crashed two scenes together, crossed over and became a mainstream hit.

Creating a vacuum by tearing them down, or acting like you aren't excited isn't going to magic new exciting bands into existence. If I thought it would, I'd pretend not to like them.

I actually feel genuinely sorry for people going- especially when they find they can't get anywhere near the stage as they haven't bought a 'hospitality' ticket. My guess would be a lot of people come away feeling cheated and disillusioned, but time will tell on that one.
Surely the ticket prices show this is about one thing only: money. There's absolutely no need to charge £60 + per ticket. Oasis did the same venue at, if memory serves, £35 a ticket, just 2 years ago. And refunded the entire audiences money one night when they had a few power problems.
I'm also surprised that nobody has mentioned the complete u-turn in attitude members of the band have had in recent years about reforming. I always had total respect for John Squire for some of the comments he made regarding never wanting to reform and 'desecrate the grave' of the band. I have zero respect for his integrity now. A very sad state of affiars in my view. I agree with the article above 100 per cent.

Couldn't agree with this more.

Whereas I certainly do agree with the vast majority of this article, I feel rather fed up with the level of chin-stroking and patronising comments being directed at people who happen to be excited about seeing a band they genuinely love. I'm going next summer and I'm looking forward to it. I'm not proclaiming it to be the start of a golden age and I have mentioned on many occasions that the lack of a UK band deemed worthy of headlining a major festival (Arctic Monkeys are the last...nearly 6 years ago) is extremely depressing, but I'm looking forward to the concert on face value alone. I never got to see The Stone Roses, they were hugely influential on me and at the end of the day, I'll be there with friends and I'm looking forward to a bit of fun.

There is a debate to be had about the state of the music industry but holding The Stone Roses to account for it is as logical as blaming the cashier at HSBC for the banking crisis.

And the comment on Aziz Ibrahim needs to be clarified or removed.

Because at the moment, it comes off as cheap, petty mudslinging. Possibly even slander. I've met Aziz Ibrahim twice and found him friendly, charming and a thoroughly decent guy. Labelling him as a "dickhead" without explaining why is extremely poor form.

'dickhead' would only be slanderous

if TI were trying to persuade us that Aziz Ibrahim's head was actually a penis. He's probably not trying to do that.

I don't think anybody's really blaming the Roses

though I think they've certainly gone about this in a noticeably more whorey way than Blur did, but they're just this year's stooges for an industry feeding frenzy.

Hopefully they will delight both themselves and their fans on the way, though it still amazes me how blindly optimistic people are being about seeing a notoriously shit live band, live.

Slanderous or not, it's a crassly lazy and wholly unnecessary commnet..

That adds nothing to the article and actually detracts from a point that I otherwise completely agree with! I think it should either be clarified or removed as in the current state, it's actually quite embarassing to read.

Well it is difficult to know where to start. So I will keep it brief. Firstly, the masses have spoken, so that says it all really. Those who were at the press conference bought into the Stone Roses. But the thing that you were very accurate about is that 'Underworld were defining the future in '96'. Absolutely; the digital future we now live in where anyone can be a D.J, Photographer and most of all a journalist, or should we say blogger? The web is full of them. They are not difficult to spot. They write so called articles that display not good reading, but just a cheap shot. You should google the word 'sentence'. It will help your writing no end.

The Insider

just asked me to amend the d-head comment to session guitarist.

why is this piece written by a nameless person?

why is this piece written by a nameless person? are you cowards?

also as someone else astutely observed, 'you posh music press people hate seeing the working class have fun...'

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