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cat_race [Edit] [Delete] 72 replies 11:24 March 11th, 2013

captain, hope is important and 100 broken windows are all absolutely amazing. i've listened to all of them in the last few days. what the hell happened after that then?

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Remote Part is a really fucking good album

Sure, 100 Broken Windows is better, but they only really went off the boil with Warnings/Promises (i.e. when Roddy stopped drinking).

badmanreturns | 11 Mar '13, 11:35 | X | ^ This | Reply

pichaelmarker, chickenbones, Icarus-Smicarus, Lambchops, birls, JaguarPirate, kostenurky, Teeej, and Mlclmshw this'd this
- it's always when they stop drinking.
  
  i was a little bit shocked by how good 'when i argue i see shapes' was when i heard it this weekend. it's like, i thought it would just be a nostalgia thing, but it's incredible
  
  cat_race @badmanreturns | 11 Mar '13, 11:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
LAST NIGHT I MISSED ALL THE FIREWORKS!

Well in fairness to Idlewild, it was a few albums later when they got really bad. Although not really bad as such, just a shell of their former selves.

lovelessrapture | 11 Mar '13, 11:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
That band was all about Bob. Lost without him.

wilykit | 11 Mar '13, 11:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
- based on the years that albums came out, that makes sense
  
  cat_race @wilykit | 11 Mar '13, 11:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Single handedly bought the rock to them.
    
    wilykit @cat_race | 11 Mar '13, 11:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
- ya
  
  he was the keystone in the bridge of 'wild
  
  myyada @wilykit | 11 Mar '13, 23:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
Don't think anything happened did it?

They just stopped being as noisy.

I might sound like an Idlewild apologist, but there's a lot of bands who would kill to make something as good as one of Idlewild's supposed 'bad' albums.

boydungud | 11 Mar '13, 11:49 | X | ^ This | Reply

skippingkate, thesewoodenideas, Elfrim, Kitchmo, JaguarPirate, and Teeej this'd this
- those bands should be aiming higher then.
  
  or just shouldn't be bands at all
  
  cat_race @boydungud | 11 Mar '13, 11:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
- W/Pwas mellow
  
  but Make Another World was pretty 'noisy' and 'rocking'. Post Electric Blues had uptempto tunes too but a lot of it sounded like Idlewild playing more to Roddy's solo folk style.
  
  thesewoodenideas @boydungud | 11 Mar '13, 14:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
Basically, Warnings/Promises is their weakest.

Post Electric Blues is one of their best efforts post 100 Broken Windows. But yeah, I utterly adore everything they have ever done. I grew up on them, with them, and because of them.

justanothersheeldz | 11 Mar '13, 11:54 | X | ^ This | Reply

Teeej this'd this
- W/P is alright
  
  PEB is boring.
  
  Icarus-Smicarus @justanothersheeldz | 11 Mar '13, 12:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  JaguarPirate this'd this
  - agreed, except for Readers & Writers on PEB
    
    If they'd released that after Remote Part when they were at their most popular it would have been huge, I'm sure of it. It's gawjusly catchy
    
    JaguarPirate @Icarus-Smicarus | 12 Mar '13, 00:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Readers & Writers and All Over The Town are really good
      
      Not so sure about the rest.
      
      Icarus-Smicarus @JaguarPirate | 12 Mar '13, 01:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - City Hall and Younger Than America
        
        thesewoodenideas @Icarus-Smicarus | 12 Mar '13, 11:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Teeej this'd this
i love these threads about ash or idlewild we get from time to time

reminds of good days

the_dazzled | 11 Mar '13, 12:40 | X | ^ This | Reply

cat_race, NickDS, vivmichiesrightfoot, and PickledOeuf this'd this
- I love 'em both
  
  Even if they have a few missteps there's still good stuff on every album (yes, even on Warnings/Promises) even if the don't quite fulfill either bands true potential. Plus Ash were great fun live, never got around to seeing Idlewild and alas it seems unlikely to happen in the near future with their hiatus.
  
  Lambchops @the_dazzled | 11 Mar '13, 15:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
I DON'T CARE IF I DON'T HAVE AN IDEA TRACK

badmanreturns | 11 Mar '13, 12:52 | X | ^ This | Reply

skippingkate, Icarus-Smicarus, stanstubbs, JaguarPirate, vivmichiesrightfoot, ma0sm, and teamcooperuk this'd this
On the surface, The Remote Part is a good album,

but doesn't have anywhere near the depth or heart of those first three releases. The gap between 100BW and Remote Part has always seemed much bigger to me than that between RP and W/P, just not necessarily in the way they sound.

Also, 'All I Never Wanted' was the WORST. I'd rather have had a whole album of Mince Showercaps.

bokonon | 11 Mar '13, 12:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Haha that song used to get so much stick on the old Idlewild forum
  
  the_dazzled @bokonon | 11 Mar '13, 13:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Mince Showercap 1 was great!
  
  Icarus-Smicarus @bokonon | 12 Mar '13, 01:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
Sub-thread: Make a 14 track compilation (no b sides allowed)

1. Little Discourage
2. Film for the Future
3. When I Argue I See Shapes
4. Rosability
5. Idea Track
6. You Held The World
7. Chandelier (actually was this a b side?)
8. Safe and Sound
9. Mistake Pageant
10 Tell Me Ten Words
11. Let Me Sleep (Next To The Mirror)
12. A Modern Way of Letting Go
13. Actually Its Darkness
14. Finished It Remains

http://spoti.fi/WDNpUH

the_dazzled | 11 Mar '13, 13:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Chandelier was a 7"
  
  So you can have that :)
  
  Bloody love Mistake Pageant - it was the last song on 100BW to click for me. Dammit, I just love that album so much.
  
  bokonon @the_dazzled | 11 Mar '13, 14:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I own said 7"
    
    *Proud face*
    
    spaffy @bokonon | 12 Mar '13, 10:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
- where is Captain?
  
  GoatmeatMF @the_dazzled | 11 Mar '13, 14:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  hanshotfirst this'd this
I think they started taking themselves too seriously

e.g. Roddy deciding he was an PROPER POET. Ironically, his lyrics got much more cliched and clunkily literal after that. Rod was doing excruciating rockstar foot-on-the-moniter poses last time I saw them. I met them once after reading all this "nicest guys in rock" stuff in the press and they were just awful, rude people. Roddy had a vintage camera round his neck. Rod was swigging red wine from a bottle with some floozy on his arm. The only nice one was Bob. He left the band shortly afterwards. After that it all went very wrong indeed.

johneggfish | 11 Mar '13, 13:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
- they played a gig in picc records in manc once and before and after it we invented a game where we had to be in their way as much as possible while they were trying to look at records
  
  they weren't nice about that
  
  cat_race @johneggfish | 11 Mar '13, 13:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  johneggfish this'd this
  - Nice game
    
    I met Roddy last year and he seemed like a really nice guy, but then he's quite possibly mellowed a bit now.
    
    benfyffemusic @cat_race | 11 Mar '13, 18:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - yeah I've met them too
    
    and they were thoroughly lovely.
    
    Teeej @cat_race | 12 Mar '13, 17:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
Roddy's first solo folk album is really great by the way.

I'm sure I say this everytime an Idlewild thread pops up.

I don't think he's stop drinking, he just got older and calmer. I've met him quiet a few times and he's never struck me as being rude.

djodell | 11 Mar '13, 13:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
- About half of it is really good, mostly the stuff co-written with Rod
  
  Icarus-Smicarus @djodell | 11 Mar '13, 15:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
- As is the album with Drever and McCusker
  
  and Rod Jones stuff as part of the Fruit Tree Foundation is also good (though not the standout songs of that album).
  
  Haven't heard Roddy's other solo work yet.
  
  Lambchops @djodell | 11 Mar '13, 15:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
The Remote Part is definitely a lot better than Hope Is Important

Tell Me Ten Words from TRP is possibly my favourite song of all time.

aactv | 11 Mar '13, 13:48 | X | ^ This | Reply

JaguarPirate and kostenurky this'd this
Amazing band

thesewoodenideas | 11 Mar '13, 14:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
I never really liked the change in production when they released Remote Part

and when I heard the bass had left that was the final nail in the coffin for me...

thecrikster | 11 Mar '13, 15:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
Never gotten the post Remote part hate

Warnings/Promises certainly has some flaws but it has some great moments too. Little disappointing that nearly their entire fan base turned on them because they made a more mature, adult-folk tinged album. Post Electric Blues and Make another world are good too.

auteur55 | 11 Mar '13, 15:08 | X | ^ This | Reply

thesewoodenideas and JaguarPirate this'd this
i remember when w/p came out

and roddy said something like of 'well you can't have a career by just rolling around on the floor all the time, we had to start writing songs sometime'
hate that. make your new album sound good by trashing your old material kinda thing. poor form.

ethricdouble | 11 Mar '13, 15:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
- its not like their old stuff was avant-metal thrashing
  
  they're almost all songs written in a standard pop format!
  
  the_dazzled @ethricdouble | 11 Mar '13, 16:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
Worth noting that Love Steals Us From Loneliness is still amazing.

wilykit | 11 Mar '13, 15:38 | X | ^ This | Reply

Elfrim and benfyffemusic this'd this
- i would beg to differ
  
  too clever, and too mediocre by far. grating lyrics
  
  kostenurky @wilykit | 12 Mar '13, 02:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  JaguarPirate this'd this
  - if I wanted a debate I'd go to the Symposium as it is I'm just dropping truth bombs.
    
    wilykit @kostenurky | 12 Mar '13, 10:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
quiet crown is my favourite. good b-sides band too

mac_daddy | 11 Mar '13, 15:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
100 Broken Windows

is absolutely one of my favourite albums in existence but The Remote Part leaves me a bit cold. I guess I should check out all the pre 100BW stuff. Never heard anything else.

yuggy | 11 Mar '13, 17:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
- i'm enjoying Hope is Important
  
  yuggy @yuggy | 12 Mar '13, 09:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  spaffy this'd this
Remote Part was probably the first album I really LOVED

As opposed to just listened to a lot. I liked Warnings/Promises, still think a lot of songs from that album are decent, same with Make Another World, although Post Electric Blues was dull to me.

100 Broken Windows is just perfect though, not a wasted note.

14 tracks (in sort of order I'd like them in a setlist)
1. Little Discourage
2. In Competition For The Worst Time
3. Modern Way of Letting Go
4. Actually It's Darkness
5. I'm A Message
6. I Don't Have The Map
7. Make Another World
8. Welcome Home
9. Let Me Sleep Next To The Mirror
10. Out Of Routine
11. When I Argue I See Shapes
12. Quiet Crown
13. You Held The World In Your Arms
14. Remote Part/Scottish Fiction

Love them.

thorners | 11 Mar '13, 19:31 | X | ^ This | Reply

Jordan_229_2 this'd this
Brilliant band - sadly missed.

I was at their final show in Glasgow. The wife wept openly when they played Remote Part/Scottish Fiction for the last time.

The Remote Part is a brilliant album but it's only when you delve into the b'sides from that time do you realise what an absolute classic it could have been. How the hell "A Distant History" never made it on there is a mystery.

You can actually make an awesome album out of the just b'sides from that era.

Let's call it "The Remoter Parts"....

1. All This Information
2. These Are Just Years
3. The Nothing I Know
4. I Was Made To Think It
5. Poor Thing
6. Great times Wasted
7. No Generation
8. A Distant History
9. Everything Flows (the TFC cover)

As boydungud already alluded to, most bands would kill for an album that strong.

Big part of my life back then and still listen to them at least once a week.

Luke_Away | 11 Mar '13, 22:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
- wait, they've broken up!?!?
  
  JaguarPirate @Luke_Away | 12 Mar '13, 00:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I don't think it's permanent
    
    or at least not officially.
    
    Icarus-Smicarus @JaguarPirate | 12 Mar '13, 00:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - I asked Roddy after a solo gig last year
      
      And he said Idlewild are definitely over
      
      Doomtown @Icarus-Smicarus | 12 Mar '13, 12:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - :'( right in the heart
        
        JaguarPirate @Doomtown | 12 Mar '13, 16:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
- A Distant History
  
  is fucking glorious. I lost most of the b-sides when my laptop died. If anyone wants to be a saint and send them my way then please, please pretty please DM me. okthanksbye.
  
  Teeej @Luke_Away | 12 Mar '13, 17:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
No love for 1903-70?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9It2ccuTr2Q

Love how this contrasts with the shoutier moments from Hope is Important

chris_81 | 11 Mar '13, 23:16 | X | ^ This | Reply

thorners and JaguarPirate this'd this
- I vaguely remember reading an interview at the time which said 1903-70 was supposed to be 'plugged in'
  
  but there was an equipment fault when they came to record it, so they were forced to use a grand piano. A happy accident, as it turns out.
  
  boydungud @chris_81 | 12 Mar '13, 11:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
W/P is pretty amazing in parts

Welcome Home, I Understand It, As If I Hadn't Slept, El Capitan, Disconnected and especially Too Long Awake - easily one of my favourite songs of theirs, that riff just fucking squeals

JaguarPirate | 12 Mar '13, 00:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Too Long Awake would be their best song
  
  If it was a verse and a chorus longer and didn't cut out so stupidly.
  
  aactv @JaguarPirate | 12 Mar '13, 00:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - The ending is great
    
    Icarus-Smicarus @aactv | 12 Mar '13, 00:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    JaguarPirate this'd this
    - I mostly agree, but it is just a bit *too* abrupt
      
      Tidal Wave of Young Blood by CYHSY does it better, quick cut-off but it actually sounds deliberate and not like someone broke the recording equipment
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2yaGVz_QnY
      
      JaguarPirate @Icarus-Smicarus | 12 Mar '13, 16:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
- I always liked The Space Between All Things
  
  Haven't listened to it in aaaages.
  
  Icarus-Smicarus @JaguarPirate | 12 Mar '13, 00:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
The problem with The Remote Part

is that the record before it was near on flawless and impossible to follow.

For my money, it's better than Hope Is Important which gets by on naive rawness and the 4 songs on it that are excellent.

All I remember about Warnings / Promises was that the first single off of it was poor and scared me away.

kostenurky | 12 Mar '13, 02:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
Another band I got into thanks to FIFA

And the 40 second version of You Held the World it had on it.

For some reason, I don't listen to them as much as I should. Their knack for hooks and melodies is insanely good, like it's actually far too good. Structurally interesting and pop-tactically good-nun-string.

vivmichiesrightfoot | 12 Mar '13, 03:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
So it's worth getting the 'A Distant History' rarities album?

seems like its download only judging from an amazon search.

yuggy | 12 Mar '13, 09:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
- It's on Spotify if you have that
  
  Hidden between all the weird folk albums that another band named Idlewild have on there because Spotify are stupid.
  
  Septih @yuggy | 12 Mar '13, 10:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - yep, found it, cheers
    
    just listened to Hope is Important on there and loved it. Ordered the CD for a whopping £1.28.
    
    yuggy @Septih | 12 Mar '13, 10:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
- They need to bring that out on LP
  
  along with Captain and W/P, and reissues of 100 broken windows and Hope is important.
  Fuck it just give us a vinyl box set.
  
  thesewoodenideas @yuggy | 12 Mar '13, 11:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I keep meaning to get 100 Broken Windows on vinyl
    
    you can get it for about 20 quid on amazon/discogs.
    
    My turntable is fucked so i'll wait till me birthday or sommat.
    
    yuggy @thesewoodenideas | 12 Mar '13, 11:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Aye
  
  Great b-sides band, the run of tracks on the back of singles from their first to Roseability was incredible, to me as good as what made it to the albums. Also glad I got to see them early on as they were a revelation back then, just a mess of flailing limbs and hair!
  
  It was such a shame they didn't do a whole album with Bob Weston, only a couple of tracks made it to 100BW and a couple of b-sides but I thought it's some of their best.
  
  amyblue @yuggy | 12 Mar '13, 13:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Yeah it's really good
  
  though there's a few great B-sides missing from it.
  
  Icarus-Smicarus @yuggy | 12 Mar '13, 17:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  amyblue this'd this
HEY I GOT 50 REPLIES IN THE MUSIC FORUM

fuck off, cunts

cat_race | 12 Mar '13, 10:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
- This might be of interest:
  
  http://gigbook.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Idlewild
  
  Some guy's blog on gigs he's seen - including 11 Idlewild shows.
  
  The blog has some really good stuff on it (particularly if you went to lots of gigs in the 90s like me)
  
  kmart @cat_race | 12 Mar '13, 16:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  myyada this'd this
  - really enjoying this
    
    myyada @kmart | 12 Mar '13, 17:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
my 14 track thingy

1. A Modern Way Of Letting Go
2. Paint Nothing
3. These Wooden Ideas
4. Tell Me Ten Words
5. Satan Polaroid
6. Little Discourage
7. You Don't Have The Heart
8. Too Long Awake
9. Annihilate Now!
10. Welcome Home
11. Roseability
12. Out Of Routine
13. I'm Happy To Be Here Tonight
14. In Remote Part/Scottish Fiction

JaguarPirate | 12 Mar '13, 16:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
While we're on this

come and see Roddy Woomble next Thursday at the splendid Leaf in Liverpool.

MarrkyMoon | 12 Mar '13, 17:55 | X | ^ This | Reply

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