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This would probably still be awesome though.

But I'm probably going to go... Not been to an ATP festival since Vs the Fans 2 and that was great. Pretty sure this will have a line up that's is right up my street.

They will pick a good line up, I look back at the 2003(?) line up and all the bands I didn't bother seeing and weep.

Guess the smaller capcaity will let them put more events on.

Wonder if May ATPs will be coming back?

I think albini checking this out.

are the sound levels going to be adjusted so all you can hear are the cymbals?

HOW DARE THEY ANNOUNCE ANOTHER EVENT etc

Normally I would actually be saying that but I think the butlins era ending changes everything

(and include an option to switch from the other one if desired)

and Albini getting Killdozer, Scratch Acid and the like to play.

I suppose this is bigger news though, for Shellac fans anyway.

Shellac curated the best ATP I've ever been to and the most fun and varied in line up (barring the one where multiple folks curated it obvs). Therefore I'M ALL IN.

One note though, didn't ATP say there was DEFINITELY only one NBXMAS ATP this year about a week back? That kinda sucks if so...

I assume most people would much rather go in May.

You joke, but it may have been past feedback that encouraged options like that

Thank christ I didn't get National tickets. Love ATP but they've really got to get on top of their PR. They did indeed day definitely only the 1 event this year.

It's spiritual home

If, as I'm presuming, the redone site still has the chalet's in close proximity and is of similar size?

It just allows far more movement between the stages, interaction between groups and there isn't the pressure on having to get HUGE bands to fill massive stages. The line ups always seemed better balanced at Camber and less likely to be 3/4 empty rooms.

I will miss the swimming pool though - unless that's been revamped too?

but that was before they moved the festival to a much smaller and presumably cheaper venue. So they probably decided they could afford to do another one.

I kind of think the drop in capacity going to camber makes it ok

And allowing swaps, no one is disadvantaged really

Fair nuff then, eh? (Unless you've booked travel / time off work already / etc etc)

http://www.last.fm/music/Steve+Albini/+images/438915

whereas if this had been announced for Minehead I'd probably have just wanted them all to fuck off.

I do have a slight feeling of them chancing it - WAHEY, WE SOLD OUT THE NATIONAL ATP - LET'S KEEP ANNOUNCING MORE

but as long as ATP have such a monopoly on these type of events (and in booking certain bands) it's going to happen isn't it?
i guess with the capacity in essence halving for the national ATP it makes sense to do a second one.

that Pontins offered them another weekend, so their statement about only doing one event this year may well have been true at the time. Anyways, this has got to be good news.

news.

You know that there's something wrong when a festival curated by fucking BELLE & SEBASTIAN is the most interesting and unusual line up at an ATP for the last 7 years or so.

This seems like a daft joke, but I think that being at Camber Sands and offering swaps from the other weekend makes it fair. Look forward to seeing how the lineup pans out actually, as I haven't been to an ATP fest since Dec 2010 and would like to go but the National one was looking a little dull to me.

the Belle & Sebastian one was easily the least interesting and unusual line up o the laswt 7 years or so?

but yeah, the b&s line up was the only original ATP line up in years... this is not a comment on whether or not i thought that line up was any good, by the way (it wasn't really my thing) but the fact remains that SO MANY ATPs just rely on indie rock and faux-avant guarde stuff ("omg they're playing 20 drumkits at once, COOL!")

ATP is a great concept, but it's just TOO genre specific. Though I guess that a lot of people on here really love that genre, so it isn't a problem!

The Belle & Sebastian one was almost entirely indie rock (or indie pop or whatever) though?

... that ATPs concept is about being genre specific....

it was the best thing i've ever seen/heard. It was really not about how cool it was. It was just brilliant.

Patton/Melvins ATP had pretty much every kind of music imaginable.

Christ on a bike. what DO you want to see?

'No Black People'.

but it's kinda my point, the line up wasn't actually "interesting and usual", but compared to other ATPs it was!! I'm not saying the Bowlie ATP was great, I'm saying other ATPs should be more interesting.

will probably go, depends how supersonic shapes up though i guess.

have the h8rz actually been to other festivals? atp is brill.

I'm probably going to go.

Which had Keiji Haino and Weird Al Yankovic playing different stages at the same time, and a noise musician that blindfolded his audience, and a band doing an improvised 10 hour set, and DJ Shitmat and Neurosis and Wolves in the Throne Room and folk singers like Josephine Foster and Marissa Nadler and Jazz like Borbetomagus and Matana Roberts.

obviously.

^ it's nice being pointlessly acerbic sometimes, huh?

I'm just in a bad mood. Would like some drone/ambient/sound art stuff, something a bit more serious, less sensationalist.

Make your mind up damnit!

And the Portishead one. And the Mike Patton one. And some others that I didn't go to.

i want someone REALLY unique to curate it.

but it was still headed by a traditional ATP post rock band..

Actually, just forget it.

I basically want to curate an ATP myself

They curated a weekend of eclectic music, did they not?

But they were the only traditional ATP band there, apart from Deerhoof. Who still aren't similar to them musically at all.

typical Pitchfork fare. I mean i want it to be CURATED by someone who isn't like that.

:(

it's the principle of it I suppose, which is a shit reason to dismiss a music festival

if only because he'd probably get a.r. kane to play

Is this the time where they start getting past curators curtating again?

you mean "atypical", which I think is pretty bang on re: Bowlie 2. which was a great weekend.

am I alone in thinking the whole "Nightmare Before Christmas" thing is a little played out? oooh, heavy music, woo, yay etc.

...what date or venue this will really be at?

(sorry)

Shellac - 12.00pm - 6.00pm Friday, Saturday, Sunday
The Fall - 7pm - 3.00am Friday, Saturday, Sunday

Belle & Sebastian were fucking TERRIBLE.

It was cancelled out by the great crowd though, much like the Slint weekend.

MOGWAI TO CURATE THE CURATORS AT THIS YEAR'S ATP FESTIVAL EXPERIENCE

ATP are pleased to announce that the legendary Scottish post-rockers will be picking three artists to curate each day of this year's I'll Be Your Mirror: Royal Wooton Bassett, which will take place across Royal Wooton Bassett Village Hall, Royal Wooton Basset Community Theatre and local public house The Queen’s Arse and Firkin.

Stuart Braithwaite from the band says: 'aye, we were wee fucking weans back when we first started doing this pish and it's a great wee opportunity to pick some of the coonts with the best taste in music we know'

Mogwai's first pick is Shellac UK. This six piece function band from Bridlington will be recreating all of your favourite family hits from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and (20)10s during their headline set on the Friday of the festival. As well as playing they will be curating the line-up for the day. We are currently unable to announce any bands but expect the best reformed family friendly bands from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and (20)10s.

i already bought tickets when i thought it was in minehead and now i find out it's camber sands.... unbelievable atp :(

clearly states it's camber sands.

hence the reason every one's hysterically laughing.

The idea of a Votel-Weatherall tag team curation makes me feel all kinds of tingly inside.

especially as it'd give me an early night every day

.

I'm fucking delighted about this.

how much is the deposit required for deposit challets

£80 per person, (£320 for the apartment) and 7.50 booking fee per person.

AMZING

Pretty shit!

When do people who emailed regarding the deposit scheme get feedback :O

I should have got them yesterday when I had the chance.

so would be fine I assume.

Lets hope eh haha

saying they were all gone...

Guess I'm not going to this.

Have done the 6 person thing at Camber, but did prefer the simpler life of a 2 berth, where you don't have to worry about chaletmates staging a 5am drunken sing-a-long (or a 3pm drunken sing-a-long the next day when you've snuck back to the chalet in the afternoon to steal a few zzzz's due to no sleep the night before).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDZ1pXVUux0

saying I have a week to pay them, so I guess I got one?

Hooray

fucking hell, ATP!

*high fives gamecat*

the three of us now need to convince pichaelmarker.

Interesting

remember when arfie used to post here?

Anyway, this is going to be awesome. I am now going to supernormal, supersonic and super atp.

I so badly want to go to another Camber ATP that I haven't even bothered caring about the fact I put in a commitment without any line up for a festival that isn't Glastonbury

Shellac have already curated. In 2003.

I thought the point was to get someone different each time.

This is an ATP regression. Can you not see that?

http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/festivals/2998455

that thread suggests the opposite to what you're suggesting though

and I imagine they are the kind of people that seek out new things, the 2002 one has an amazing line up, in hindsight, I didnt think much of it at the time because I hadnt heard of many, so chances are they will turn up some great new music that in years to come will be looked back on as great if not know very well at the time

Not sure I'd welcome Thurston or the same curator again now. Must have been caught up in the post ATP 2006 noise fest haze...

Probably involved listening to The Skaters...

they probably will pick a killer line up.

It's just not something I wish to see ATP doing really. Keep it fresh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEl4P9PR744

Big Black are playing shows again later this year

http://www.songkick.com/artists/560800-big-black

awesome.

Albini fest. Awesome!

http://www.bbb-online.nl/

Get a ticket before they sell out http://delamar.nl/voorstellingen/2012-2013/big-black-beautiful/

Brilliant, thanks

if nothing gets announced today

and venue change. Now in New Jersey or something.

saying they'll be a statement later.

STATEMENT OVERLOAD

*facebook post

Getting cool people to curate and letting them choose whoever the hell they want is plenty revolutionary for me. As lots of people have said, Albini is welcome to curate again because he's got great taste.

SHELLAC OF NORTH AMERICA
WIRE
MISSION OF BURMA
THE EX + BRASS UNBOUND (Mats Gustafsson/Ken Vandermark/Roy Paci/Wolter Wierbos)
SHANNON WRIGHT
ARCWELDER
SCRAWL
RED FANG
ALIX
BEAR CLAW
THE MEMBRANES
HELEN MONEY
DEAD RIDER

WIRE
MISSION OF BURMA
THE EX + BRASS UNBOUND (Mats Gustafsson/Ken Vandermark/Roy Paci/Wolter Wierbos)
SHANNON WRIGHT
ARCWELDER
SCRAWL
RED FANG
ALIX
BEAR CLAW
THE MEMBRANES
HELEN MONEY
DEAD RIDER

Hmmm...

That is 10 years ago.

Can they do the Autechre one again next? That looked sweet.

On paper, it was.

In reality, it was loads of people utterly wasted sitting around against walls with a distinct lack of any fun to be had.

will ever be an ATP thread now without talk about administration, cancelling, poor management and communication... etc.

#justsaying

Given that ATP have them playing Shepherds Bush two days before.

Are they just waiting until they've sold a few more tickets of their tour before adding them to the bill?

http://open.spotify.com/user/yesiamaduck/playlist/38K69yKfqqQfggpT2RGBqB

They sound JUSt like QOTSA. More tempted now.

about how sometimes the best bands at past ATPs have been the bands we weren't aware of before we went........... or something (still 20 bands left to announce right?)

Look at me!

I know it's Shellac and isn't to be expected but could do with a couple of bands that don't have a guitar, at least predominantly

Although here are four reasons I think they already have:

1. The Dirty Three tour is perfectly timed to lead up to an ATP performance (and the London show is promoted by Willwal)
2. The tour was announced after the Shellac ATP announcement so I'd guess that they arranged the tour after being booked for ATP.
3. Bands often ask festivals to hold back on announcing their involvement for a specified period to help ticket sales for their own shows.
3. Steve Albini recorded the Dirty Three album Ocean Songs.

they just played a bunch of European dates together

Was being sarky.

It's impossible to find their music obnoxious or offensive. C'mon, they've got friends who are gay!

Guaranteed addition to the line up.

LOL-times!

although can't see Dirty Three playing it. Not been asked innit.

Helen Money and Bear Claw?

The Ex & Brass Unbound now becoming one of the bands I'm really looking forward to based on their live videos.

I saw The Ex and Brass Unbound on their original UK tour in early 2010 and it was one of the best shows i've ever seen. The Ex are pretty great anyways but the addition of the brass stuff was just perfect for them. The sound was huge and it was so much fun. It's definitely going to be one of the main highlights of the weekend.

The Bear Claw that are playing just sound pretty much like Shellac or something.

http://bearclaw.bandcamp.com/

http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=45427&start=180

honestly i can hardly even be arsed to read it. there might be something interesting in there i suppose

but good

but they have two bassists and a drummer - no actual guitars to my knowledge. I'm quite sure this wasn't what Yesiamaduck was after though. I thought there was plenty of variety at their 2002 ATP and i'm sure the same will ultimately be true this time around. I reckon there's plenty of acoustic/classically leaning stuff to be added.

A couple of questions...

1) Will there be DJ's after the bands? Do they play slightly more dancey/electronica music? Because whilst I obviously love guitar-orientated music I do have quite catholic tastes (I spend a lot of time listening to grime/house/techno blah blah blah). I do like to have a little rave now and again.

2) How many people will be staying at Camber Sands over the weekend? Does it feel busy or will it all be quite spread out?

you'll get a mixture of stuff.
2. Think the capacity is about 2,800. It's a very compact site, much more so than Butlins (which had a capacity of about 6,000), and it always feels lively.

got better recently, ATP always seemed to have ironic party classics or cool indie disco djs after dark. Albini doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to choose Spinn & Rashad or Theo Parrish.

1. The DJs tend to play an eclectic choice of tunes, you get a lot of pop classics, trademark dance numbers, far out experimental stuff and the standard indie classics as well as hot numbers from the moment.

2) Camber Sands feels incredibly lively, Butlins never did but basically the entire site will be in the same area during the night time & the club gets an awesome atmosphere at night (again something Butlins lacked) if it's lively atmos you're looking for then count your lucky stars that it's at Camber as opposed to Butlins

Albini should get Beachbuggy to reform and play

are going to be hilarious/awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Vcoq-QRo4

if you have a spare chalet spot or are looking for someone to buy a chalet with gis us a message. *don't worry, she'll be staying with us if you aren't keen on the idea of a stranger being with your group*

To celebrate a return to the festival's original home of Pontins Camber Sands Holiday Camp; All Tomorrow's Parties recently announced a Nightmare Before Christmas festival event curated by SHELLAC OF NORTH AMERICA to help celebrate their 20th anniversary as a band. ATP will return to the festival's spiritual birthplace where Shellac headline & curate the 35 band bill playing across the event on the venue's excellent indoor stages featuring award winning sound, with DJs until late, Cinema and much more.

Only a limited amount of Four and Six Berth Apartments are still available at this point. The second group of fantastic artists for the event are announced today.

Steve Albini of Shellac: "The members of Shellac are inviting more of our favorite bands to ATP. Some, like Melt Banana and Uzeda, are old friends and comrades. Some, like Neurosis, Prinzhorn Dance School and Buke and Gase, are bands we've admired as fans, but all of them are bands we love and recommend to everyone."

The full list of new additions:

NEUROSIS
MONO
MELT BANANA
UZEDA
PRINZHORN DANCE SCHOOL
THREE SECOND KISS
BUKE AND GASE

Was hoping for Neurosis and it would be great to see Melt Banana again. Now if they can just add Dirty Three...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

Bit of a curveball

Self confirmed on twitter and Facebook yesterday!

This is going to be awesome.

Is this the Oxbow Orchestra configuration that's playing Supersonic & the Union Chapel in UK or is it the full Oxbow experience? Either way should be good, with Neurosis, Mono, Melt Banana, Red Fang, Scrawl etc already confirmed.

so not the Orchestra

Bottomless Pit
Pinebender
Oxbow
STNNNG
Zeni Geva

Zeni Geva! Howay the ladz

Serves me right for not copying and pasting

What a woman.

http://open.spotify.com/user/dexy/playlist/2tiR7xxnbKHMFq8YYKLHC3

Expected to see a bump for this...

The newly announced fourth group of artists picked by Shellac for the event are...

RACHEL GRIMES (of Rachel's)
TURING MACHINE
GAY WITCH ABORTION
KASH
MYOWNFLAG

who join the previously announced line-up of...

SHELLAC OF NORTH AMERICA
NEUROSIS
WIRE
OXBOW
MISSION OF BURMA
MELT BANANA
THE EX + BRASS UNBOUND (Mats Gustafsson/Ken Vandermark/Roy Paci/Wolter Wierbos)
MONO
NINA NASTASIA
SHANNON WRIGHT
ARCWELDER
SCRAWL
UZEDA
ZENI GEVA
PRINZHORN DANCE SCHOOL
THREE SECOND KISS
BOTTOMLESS PIT
RED FANG
ALIX
PINEBENDER
BUKE & GASE
BEAR CLAW
THE MEMBRANES
STNNNG!
HELEN MONEY
DEAD RIDER

with more artists to be confirmed soon along with DJs, Films, Karaoke & more!

---

Dead excited about seeing Turing Machine.

the are more to come :) groovy pants

Yeah I like that the line up is starting to get more varied now, worried it was going to be an onslaught of old punk bands from the initial announcements

KARAOKE!!!!!

just really nice piano to help the huge headache I'm expecting! Really enjoying her album

http://open.spotify.com/user/dexy/playlist/2tiR7xxnbKHMFq8YYKLHC3

but here we go again:

http://news.qthemusic.com/2012/10/qa_-_steve_albini_on_shellacs.html

x

OH MY GOODNESS >:D

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/521654_453266671376507_729150518_n.png

The Cravats & Love In Elevator seem like 2 excellent additions! See you guys there in 3 weeks

they sound canny good also

I can't believe I don't have a spare ticket to flog this time. IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE

and I too am grateful that for once all my party has stayed in tact without any scares

Both bands sound like they'll be really entertaining live. 'Love In Elevator' are an italian noise psychedelia pop stoner punk rock band ffs.

http://open.spotify.com/track/2lpsz3QxwOATQYwoa26ZLe

http://open.spotify.com/user/dexy/playlist/2tiR7xxnbKHMFq8YYKLHC3

I can safely say... Yes

I am very excited

got a spare bed in a 4 person chalet (2 girls 1 bloke) - all regulars, can give a lift there (i'm driving) - will probably try and drive back late sunday (after all the bands) or early monday morning as I've got work.

Contact me if interested! Can't remember how much my flatmate wants, £165?

will not be playing.

http://vimeo.com/54151625

but it is the right place for me to gloat about seeing Nina Nastasia this week :D

And I need to get rid of them A$AP because, well, because it's on Friday. They're in a 4 berth chalet.

£120 each, or both for £200. Oh my goodness, what a bargain! Roll up ladies 'n' gents.

(PM me yeah?)

and a new cinema

http://www.atpfestival.com/events/shellacxmas/news/1211271539.php

think Melt Banana ultimately win it for me, especially as they're on the smaller stage

http://clashfinder.com/s/atpshellac2012/

Someone's still filling it in

two of my party, who are working on friday til like 2 and then need to go home sunday night, will miss both of Shellac's sets? Isn't this a little silly, people always have to come late and leave early?

it's kind of a baffling arrangement, as far as I'm aware this band is one of the more popular on the entire line up, and to have them play such a small room is asking for problems. I might be wrong though! And I guess it helps they clash with Wire who are really quite popular indeed.

but they are. hooray!

that's where it used to be.
I remember seeing Autechre curate one there and it's so far removed from that these days it's more like an indie rock festival.

Scrawl were very good but Shannon Wright was the revelation for me. Wild, desperate, cool as fuck and the kind of bludgeoning power that will work for the Albini crowd. Don't miss.