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nice beats, and their wordplay and flows are pretty cool, but some of the lyrics are plain wrong and dont really sit well with me
interesting article about them in the latest Wire

they are really wrong, they somehow make it sound like a mad cartoon/concept. They're so young I can't take them serriously. I'm torn about it too.

that its all tongue in cheek - Andrew Nositsky notes in the Wire article that none of the guys seem like the type to carry the thoughts and feelings they express in the songs. They're young and I assume they like getting a rise out of people
but theres definitely something there, EARL is the best out of the mixtapes I've heard so far

There's much more worthwhile hip hop out there.

Big Krit, Drake, Gibbs peeps and they're all awful though. Pill and Gucci are about the best but Pill is kinda boring a lot of the time and Gucci is a bit one note, its a good note but you have to be in the mood for it. Oh yeah Big Boi is good but thats a given. These guys are kinda out there but have a load of talent dispite being a disgrace with their content. Any more suggestions? If the good stuff is out there I aint finding it, I'm getting pretty convinced hip-hop is in really bad shape right now. Its like the new indie haha Always looking though cos hip-hop is always creative somewhere, looks like its just the producers at the mo though, and these goons.

the beat on that track on the vid is insane. Really raw and agressive but with killer low slung breakbeats with a load of funk to them. He flows on it well too. Dunno how they get it to work.

this is really, really brilliant.

a buddy's recomendation and the wire article came simultaneously. earl mixtape is wicked, i love the juxtaposition between their doofus cartoon character bullshit and the world-weary beats. the film noir shit on wakeupfaggot is hilarious, esp when it cuts out for- "WHY DON'T YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP MOM". really on point word play, kids clearly aren't idiots and know exactly what they're doing, funny dudes.

hmmm, interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlgmoMujQ7Y

Remixed Lykke Li: http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=122&p=9766&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more9766

Wasn't expecting that. These guys have been picked up pretty fast. Wouldn't be suprised if they took off pretty big this year.

It didn't work, but only because of my mood. I almost didn't feel comfortable listening to him in public.

I can't get over that they're gonna be on Fallon next week, wonder how that'll turn out. To be honest I hope they take off, they're talented enough to deserve it and one of the few voices in hip-hop at the moment thats totally, genuinely unique, (I think). More than anything I'm just impressed that a few kids can build something totally from the ground up and be this successful with it.
looking forward to Goblin

They have a strong foundation cos they have such a unique production style as it is, the beats are so raw and noisy but just kill it. Plus they have a fuck ton of personality which they carry off really well.

Are my fave releases so far from htis lot, in that order. What you guys feeling?

Trying to find out who is booking their UK & Europe dates cos they are playing Primavera

so I'll definitely make a point of listening properly to Mellowhype and Earl soon, if your >'s are anything to go by

Fuck The Police off the Mellowhype tape is probably my favourite OF tune overall.

is amazing even though its a mixtape so doesnt showcase their beat skills. Gonna look into MellowHype next too.

Generally odd future are just dazzlingly sick its more the relentlessness and volume of what they put out that impresses me. Truly impulsively creative people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw

http://www.factmag.com/2011/02/11/odd-futures-tyler-drops-new-video-lykke-li-remix/

Old news perhaps? But pretty big stuff if true

One of the best rap vids i've seen in ages.

http://www.mediafire.com/?wjro8xxbcwi27e5

New Golf Wang...

http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/post/3364680732/frank-ocean-just-released-his-album-nostalgia

Not heard it yet mind... just thought peeps would like the link, hope it aint shite.

not feeling it

I like some wet r&b but this really just isn't that good.

wasn't expecting that at all FUCK GOLF WANG!

at least it was free I guess.

You have successfully put me off listening to this. Doesn't really matter if one record flops with them though, eh?

indeed

They should stick to the rap stuff. This guy isn't very good at all, I bet they try and use him for loads of hooks on their offical albums and fail. What is it with hip-hoppers wanting hooks as soon as they get signed? lol

what will determine their future monetarily. The problem with releasing anything that isn't quality with your label/gang name stamped on it is that it waters down the hype and it sets the trust back a little. Maybe not by much, but it happens. This happened with No Limit Records and Wu Tang in the 90s. After a while you didn't know what was legit or not and it got to hard to stay on top and sift through the rubble. People lost interest. Not saying this is the turning point or anything, I just hope they keep their quality control in check.

Its the great rap conundrum isn't it?

they've had misses before, just not this bad lol. I'm just playing up to their abusive hype powers cos I'm bored, still got an eye on them for sure. haha

But now's not the time to be slippin'.

they need to chill and let the hype roll a bit longer before getting some wet dude to sing a bit. Tease the fucks a bit longer I say!

But when it's free, and the general quality is so high, if they try something and fuck up no kids are going to unlike the Free Earl facebook group or cancel their order for a Supreme hoodie

frank ocean is awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CyMuBi-kH8
You scared yet?

i hear its only Nostalgia,ultra part I

http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4278549

Less so Earl.

No doubting Tyler is the star of the crew though. If anyone has the time or inclination I wrote a blog about them here
http://octagon3000.blogspot.com/2011/02/odd-future.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JygWdmp6iw8&feature=player_embedded

love the original beat and these kids are good and all that but I dunno... its tought to sound right on a FlyLo beat he's pretty mad and not easy on MCs.

does better by himself over 'dirty chopsticks', this is great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUuq_9qPoyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzqw6yKnvGQ

Love this track.

all the 'no-homo', 'faggot' shit but sadly, i've learnt to live with it when it comes to hip hop. sad state of affairs.

that fallon performance is nuts.

Syd, who produces a load of the OF stuff is out as a lesbian, so....

'don't give a fuck' mentality really, they just say whatever they like. theyre too oddball and playful to take any of it as homophobia, especially when syd is gay and tyler's yonkers songs features lyrics about dancing around in panties to marvin gaye.

http://pitchfork.com/news/41719-listen-toro-y-moi-remixes-tyler-the-creator/

Prefer the original, but this is worth a listen

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ee0a63a6be/odd-future-gets-signed

big comical stoner beatmaker who's somewhere between snoop dogg, snoopy and hunter s. thompson

Love it when he chirps up on mellowhype stuff, like on bank rolls.

too.

all round love for left brain.

I'm really liking this, I think a lot of their lyrics are appealing to a shock value factor.

"Is that because you guys have violent videos about murder?
That’s it. People want to put us in a box, ?but every horror-core rap group I’ve looked ?up sucks.

Like Gravediggaz?
Yeah. I looked up two songs and I was like, ?“Yo, this is wack.” I almost cry, man."

NOOOO! DAMN KIDS THESE DAYS!

Consider me trolled.

http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/7940-odd-future-mixtapes/

Looks like a nice enough guide for anyone wanting to jump in.

Eminem's more horror-core-y side is maybe their main influence! I know one listen to Niggaz4Life could twist your morals into writing songs about rape & murder, but in reality they probably take more of their shit from the horror-core scene. I don't know... they probably never came into contact with Gravediggaz, but they're missing out.

Pretty good guide, but I'd rather listen to 5th Echelon than Nostalgia, Ultra any day.

I tryed to give Nostalgia, Ultra another go just go but it was even worse the second time lol. I hope that guy doesn't have much else to do with these guys he's a massive weak link.

Bastard, Earl and MellowHype, those are the real solid keepers anyway. The rest have good and bad bits, worth a listen if you dig those three apart from Ultra lol...

http://pitchfork.com/news/41860-odd-future-film-adult-swim-pilot/

Can't wait to see them at Primavera.

haven't made it thru the whole thing yet
i really like Novacaine. it's not the most hook-laden thing ever, but the beats and the lyrics have some kind of twisted zoned-out sensuality that i quite like. don't know whether it's gonna get more than like 2 plays, and yeh it's pretty wet but don't think it's as bad as you all made out.

and i like the fact apparently the dude writes lyrics for justin bieber. cool.

More than any kind of R&B. Its just a load of nothing, there isn't anything to pull me in at all. No hooks, no beats, no music, no feeling, I need that before lyrics or you may as well be an R&B Elbow. The best thing about him by far is that he writes lyrics for Justic Bieber, thats a cool job. Imagain what you could get the lil dude to sing!

http://www.mediafire.com/?jy45p24r4pjhhjb

This is fucking cool, the beat reminds me of MF DOOM.

another little left turn from the gang.

B.o.B comes back to Tyler for that Yonkers diss:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoUIQRO7pE4

weak in the sense that after a line like "i'll crush that fucking airplane that that faggot nigga B.O.B. is in" he only flirts with any kind of direct reference to odd future by saying "you've got no future".

good in the sense that this is a lot harder than the average b.o.b. song so maybe he's responding to it in a friendlily competitive way by showing his harder side. the only reaction so far has been tyler saying it was surprisingly good

looooooooooooooooooooooool

I heard two American MCs go at it...

They must have gone soft or something. I can't remember one since the 90s tbh. I must be wrong... there must be a good war with dubs in the last 20 years from America? Anyone have any idea? or will I have to dig out some Trim and Wiley grime wars again?

lol bob

There's been loads really, its all kinda lame to me, the whole "BEEF" thing. Was kinda compelling in the 80s-90s but the last good one to me was Nas/Jayz and LL cool J/Canibus.

I want to hear quality MCs like Wiley and Trim go at it... but you know Americans.

Whats the US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8_qsu2acrw or even: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCoyc4H5RLg / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC0BjpHNmBU lol

It brings out the best in an MC it makes them think on their feet and go for it with fire and energy. If you can't take some fuck on as an MC you're in the wrong game. Of course we only have about 4 guns in the whole of the UK compared to the UK so MCs can get really angry instead of beign gay and shooting each other lol

Those are the guys with guns...

lol

I can't download Bastard or Blackendwhite from their tumblr. It says the files don't exist.

HELP.

since both tyler and mellowhype got signed, especially as blackenedwhite is getting released by fat possum. also something about them not being able to perform earl sweatshirt songs anymore.

definitely not swag.

in the meantime - mediafire?

cool way to respond to all the wu-tang comparisons and their apparent previous unawareness of the wu music

http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/day/2011/03/30

made me feel sick.

that Wolf Gang chant? I even saw an interview when one the gang said Wolf Gang is for the children...

just keen to distance obvious links, citing other rappers as main influences and feigning not TOO much knowledge of wu-tang, dismissing gravediggaz comparisons, etc.. one of the first things a lot of people did was to compare them to wu-tang and they tried to shake it off, which is fair imho.

I don't care if i'm massively late to this party, its fucking great. Reminds me why i need to read jimi's posts on here, even if the rest of you seem to be happy debating which The National album is best OVER AND OVER

with over 100 comments on this thread and 3/4 other threads about them there's definitely no interest in discussing OFWGKTA

all the people who are worth listening to

Plus one of the creepiest posters (excluding DiS) of all time:

http://www.sneezemag.com/store/

SOLD OUT.......for now.

bleee. amazing video mind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/12972293

What *is* going on?

thanx yes_ I did accidently get into them fairly early it seems when I posted this I never expected them to kick off quite so much.

this sounds like hyper-reactive journalism. it sounds like, like most people, she caught wind of the odd future buzz at sxsw and talked about them and then someone asked if she'd collaborate with them and when she responded positively to the idea they made it a headline. her lead quote definitely looks like an answer to a question

His mother won't let him release anymore music, forgot how young these guys are.

Unexpected

http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4273650

http://blog.elizadoolittle.com/2010/11/09/ofwgkta/
This was at their first show in London way before Yonkers made them huge.

read somewhere that tyler was having a few issues with the album because he'd got someone else, also under 18 as a guest on the song 'bitch suck dick' and, for some reason than seems impossible to fathom, their parents wouldnt give permission for them to be featured on it.

Anything that ever blows my mind I usually never find exciting.

what are you gonna do, buy the album and just enjoy it less than the rest of us on purpose?

but still odd future are actually fucking amazing. They've got the whole package: funny, honest lyrics, fucking cool videos, this whole attitude and AWESOME PRODUCTION and i'm not even jealous that they're younger than me and succesful as I would be in almost any other situation, just really happy for them. Don't really care if I get called a hipster for it cos of WOLF GANG

Earl is my favourite MC out of them all though, wish he'd come back. FREE EARL.

although having earl absent kind of helps them in a way, just creates an extra layer of intrigue and mystery having this kid who's one of the youngest in the group yet also arguably the most talented and definitely the most deranged, MIA.

how that briefly hyped synthpop band Wolf Gang are feeling these days.

My heart nearly skipped a beat when i heard Wolf Gang had been added to the great escape festival in brighton. i hope they get at least an average of three attendees at each of their gigs turning up in a home made free earl t-shirt and leaving forlorn.

is it them playing primevara too?

definite odd future.

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/04/complex-exclusive-we-found-earl-sweatshirt?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Yes Yes!

http://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler/status/58558182993313793

Seems like a big joke all around, a good one at that.

the mind reels bro

Odd Future Shoreditch, London

Village Underground
Friday, 29 Apr 2011 at 2:30PM Buy Tickets

Odd Future London

The Relentless Garage
Friday, 29 Apr 2011 at 10:30PM

http://www.seetickets.com/Tour/ODD-FUTURE

http://venues.meanfiddler.com/relentless-garage/listings/featured/3800

Booked!

crazy pranksters!
away this weekend so will have to make do with primavera.
any news on any other UK dates?

show has disappeared..

I think

Sold out already! BALLS.

Anyone get any extras??

(let's face it, Hip Hop needed a kick up the arse), just can't get into the music that much. More power to them, though.

Seetickets lets me get through to the order page for the Shoreditch show and and has an error when you submit. WHY ARE YOU TEASING ME?! Last time I go out to Lunch.

DAY SHOW FTW

http://venues.meanfiddler.com/relentless-garage/listings/featured/3800

http://soundcloud.com/voler/tyler-the-creator-yonkers-lil

Just had a refund on my one..

fuck

Bit of a pain in the arse though, glad I grabbed an afternoon one as well

rescheduled date offered. it was from ticketweb - not sure on seetickets or others

very blunt!

Oh, what? I bought a pair off Gumtree. Hassles.

Like the Wu in many ways...

'I'm a fucking walking pair of socks'. Not so menacing.

that is Tyler's look lol

http://www.sockformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/tyler.jpg

Who would you list as recommended listening after checking out Odd Future?

Swag me out!

http://static.nme.com/images/magazine/NMECoverTyler260411.jpg

I'm impressed with these young guys at the moment.

Main Attrakionz: http://youtu.be/CmeWpCFtYYg

Young L: http://vimeo.com/21086726

They keeping it pretty fresh and moving for me.

but that cover is so lame. Of all the quotes they could have put on the cover they chose "I don't give a shit about the royal wedding."

Good rap/flow is brilliant and all, but I think it's the general sound/production that I'm going for here.

'anarchy hits the uk.' sigh.

just ignore it ffs

this is still the 70s right? RIGHT?

i feel embarrassed and depressed whenever i even see a copy of the NME

in the same way Pink Eyes was on the front of the NME, ie carefully hidden inside a polythene bag displaying something more supermarket magazine shelf-friendly.

Pharrell is a clear influence on odd future production, and this album is shit hot.

is where they are more unique than most. They're all good to semi-good rappers, but the lo-fi-ish bass-clipping boomy sloppiness of their production is something else. Its an aesthetic that is kind of their own, even if its built around a familiar framework.

Main Attrakionz is a good call.

I might also look into:

>>>> Roc Marciano - Marcberg

Has a similar bedroom lo-fi quality to it, but more boom bap than OF, and more uh... mature, as far as rapping ability goes (more in the NY hard rap vein, less fantasy driven, less shocking, less fun?).

Panic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmA1gVokGCU
Pop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VriANJHAgRw
Snow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzAS8tnxx2o

>>>> Danny Brown - The Hybrid

He also has a few mixtapes and random tracks on youtube. This guy is what you want if you want slightly psychotic rhymes and some shock value. But like OF, he can chameleon himself into any style of rap. He just sounds like he's not right.

Greatest Rapper Ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m44nnb8F80
Re-Up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjpFFOZrONE
White Stripes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EBvFA3HUgA

Let alone hip-hop albums.

HMMMMMM... YA TRYINA PERFECT YOUR AIM AINCHA

Kinda forget how sweet that album is. Haven't listened in a while, need to rectify.

So I've been listening to it a few times a week ever since. Every time I listen to it I'm a little bit staggered by it - the delivery, the production, the wordplay; all absolutely fantastic. Goes straight into that special group of hip-hop albums that I'll never tire of (alongside 36 Chambers, Funcrusher Plus, Low End Theory/Midnight Marauders and The Cold Vein).

But it was just so different to anything I was listening to at the time (even raps), I was strangely attracted to it and before long I was feeling it.

has to be

http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=146&p=10184&title=swag&more=1&c=1

"chillwave, witch house and no-fi - will no doubt disappear as quick as you can say “swag the fuck out” but for now it’s being associated with a whole new brand of hip-hop, or rather, swag-hop."

Ughh.

I think I need to sit down after reading that.

Dunno about anyone else but it really feels like something massive is about to happen in the world of music, thanks to Tyler and co.

I'm still interested to see where this is going now it's edging closer to some sort of mainstream coverage, because at the moment it's the Independent's SXSW reviewer claiming they were a letdown who only did three tracks at their show (which apparently they did, at one of their seven gigs that festival) and Radcliffe & Maconie going "Earl Sweatshirt? LOL!" the other week.

This is cool, very strong Neptunes influence on the beat & no compromise on the lyrical content, for better or worse ("rape a pregnant bitch and tell my friends I had a threesome")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI9AFJqArOQ

And for the impatient, here's some short clips off all 18 songs on the album

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2fmXY3nd8A

S
W
A
G

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkf4ijEkaW1qc0cxpo1_500.jpg

Mega. I might go and look at it on my lunch break on Tuesday :D

like, i had no idea who they were before i met them, but we shared a table and got talking.

turns out they're a pretty big deal among my friends and that.

listening to pretty much every single youtube now. so good. i should read music board more.

Crazy :D

Genuine question.

and only for a half hour or something, but yeah, they seemed like a good bunch.

your boy tyler ordered his burger well done though what the hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8le7K1Yah8

yeah the audience/a lot of the stuff about it is pretty lame. but good songs.

but the group are so fucking cool

Tyler, the Creator & OFWGKTA? :/

http://bit.ly/ifVAat

What a nutter.

considering how much of it is supposed to be intentionally disruptive or transgressive. It's pretty much pure art on their sake, but its kinda funny how a lot of Tyler's main anti-"hipster" rhetoric is paradoxically making him and enjoyed by hipsters.

http://bit.ly/lsXq0z

Tyler admitting showmanship defeat!
People as far as the eye can see!
All the people at the front who somehow haven't noticed!

he must be having the best life now

hah

it's pretty amazing how many girls go to Tyler/odd future shows considering how much of it could be (or rather wants to be considered as) intentionally mysoginistic chat. How's that for post-modernism/structralism

he actually takes it quite seriously too. Definitely a change from those OFWGKTA in Europe videos!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00gq455

Wasn't expecting something this accessible. Maybe it'll be the VCR of Goblin.

Getting a N*E*R*D Bobby James-type tinge from it. Nice to see them pretty chilled for once.

It's track 11 of 15 on Goblin btw.

wearing socks to their ankles, old vintage shirts, even the upside down cross and cut out eyes they use quite a lot.

ruddy kids, sigh.

i can't see it. do you mean the BBC interview they linked to?

http://pitchfork.com/tv/#/special-presentation/1662-tyler-the-creator/2671-growing-up-goblin/

god they're fascinating, literally more of an art collective than anything else

Zane Lowe at his worst

they're *literally* a rap group.

I mean he got a few answers out of them despite the fact that they blatantly didn't want to do a "classic" interview like that. After zane realised this he called them out on it then adapted to what they wanted to do. Would'ave been worse if he'd persevered with the usual interview questions.

Can't fault him for his professionalism. He's just so fucking try hard.

until a friend posted a video of some kids covering Sandwitches on Facebook (and I was like "Wtf? Is this a real song?")/their performance on Fallon, which was good, yeah, so I downloaded the studio version of Sandwitches, and I was like "Oh... This isn't as good". And then earlier today, I watched the Yonkers video on Pitchfork, and I didn't think much of that either. I mean, it's good RAP, but musically, it's pretty uninspiring, no? That's how I felt.

If you like the live version of Sandwiches it might be more up your street. I'm not too excited by Tyler's stuff either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjZKdXMBYuA
http://youtu.be/CE68SeOe2nA
http://youtu.be/xWCyALRbOc0

Cheers.

is that they're all about 18/19 doing it all themselves and doing it well. They've also done well to cultivate their image/persona/"mythology" with the "uniform" and the free earl stuff.

They're basically just really really exciting.

and as he says at the end of sanwitches "We don't fucking make horrorcore, listen deeper to the music"

in a MAJOR way too. And its hard to actually just look at the music and judge it for what it is anymore. Its all wrapped in this HYPE SWAG ITS FUKKIN AWESOME SO FUKK YOU IF YOU DONT GET IT YOU KRUSTY BUFFOON facade.

I think they get FAR too much credit for originality, definitely agree with that, I mean, at its core, its just rap over some fairly unique beats. If they deserve a nod for originality, its in the production, which is the main reason I like them. Like you said, others have been doing similar lyrical things for some time, whether they (or their fans) want to admit it. I think they are just kind of young and exciting and brash and outspoken and the media needs something like that to splash over and challenge the reader/listener once in a while, make people take sides. For people that have been around rap for a while, its nothing new to fawn over, but it can be kinda fun to get behind.

but too young to have experienced a lot of the seminal stuff as it went on, its just exciting to have something that feels like such a breath of fresh air and of the moment, even if it isn't quite as unoriginal as it seems. to be honest its more about the production for me anyway, which I think is one of the most unique sounds doing the rounds at the minute. its just nice to have something that I think is great and to actually SEE it develop. even when I was seventeen falling in love with def jux, i'd still kinda missed the boat.

Not really no, I think he's pretty gifted on the boards though.

But I do love (or have loved):

Ice T
Gravediggaz
Brotha Lynch
Geto Boys
Insane Poetry
Too $hort
NWA

etc

who all endulged in shocking lyrics at some point in their careers.

oh i yeah i like all those people (apart from Insane Poetry who i need familiarise myself with) but i would not disagree w/ that part.

agree on the nothing to fawn over too, and comparing that to the hype does make me go, err? what? and feel a more ambivalent about them (esp. compared to Main Attrakionz). but when that shit nme article linked them to childish gambino and that shit dude wrightylew made a thread about yesterday does make me think thank fuck these guys are getting massive instead of all that really awful stuff that could appeal to the indie-rap pound/dollar.

The music isn't very similar obv, but its that feeling of THIS IS NEW TO ME AND ITS AMAZING AND WTF AM I LISTENING TO that draws the parallels. You feel like your part of this pack that you're going to grow with, part of this sub-culture that your parents just wouldn't understand or appreciate. I felt that with wu, I was part of it, it was special for me/us... so enjoy this.

But with this type of thing you're always gonna get old heads (like me) coming around being like "this is nothing new guys, c'mon now, listen to xxxx and yyyy and you'll see"... but who cares really. When I was young(er) and getting into music, I didn't want to hear that mess, I wanted MY OWN thing. I didn't want the previous generations music. Eventually your tastes round out and come full circle and you begin to appreciate the back-story and the origins of where it all started, but you have plenty of years ahead for that.

But Tyler has put a load of fake leaks with Celine Dion tracks out :D

Except my dad loves odd future. Daaaaaad! But yeah, I don't think how original their music is matters that much. The way they're doing things/their age/approach etc is pretty exciting and the music is good! I'm mostly just excited for the return of Earl.

eek!

43. Put Yonkers on a mixtape for him and when I spoke to him next he said how much he loved Bastard!

Niggaz4Life in terms of immorality, that record could corrupt anyone.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL

the crazy live shows, the music videos, the internet skits/accounts, the image. It's so striking.

I'll admit in retrospect my comment reads pretty badly, what I more mean that they're confirming rap as an art form

what a strange comment, surely the Rap is the focal point, the rest is production.

they fit a new generation of people who are into hip-hop (having a renaissance due to the internet/p4k) and this is THEIR GROUP. A group like this who is totally internet savvy in a currently in-vogue music genre was basically waiting to happen and explode. I'm still to be convinced whether they're actually that amazing ('Yonkers' is still the only really amazing track IMO) but their general presence is pretty exciting/interesting

The vocabulary of hip-hop is so limited. I look down upon you all.

Or the tone of a rappers voice. No one ever talks about that. Why is it any less relevant in hip-hop than it is in any other genre of music? It isn't to me. FUCK.

Pretty much all I talk about anymore really.

crowd looks like what I imagine Hadoukens crowd to look like. No problem with the band though!

someone i know downloaded a fake leak. it was "in the aeroplane over the sea" :'D

But I really like Zane Lowe, thought he dealt with this pretty well.

Certainly the best of a terrible, terrible bunch of presenters on the nations biggest radio station. They really need to get Colin Murray back in.

Gah!

I'm totally inexperienced when it comes to Hip Hop so this is pretty new to me, and I like it. If it opens up doors to other artists then great, I'm all for that.

Can totally understand where people are coming from with the 'its unoriginal' and 'overhyped' angles, I've thought that about plenty of bands from genre's of music I'm more used to.

Yeah, I got this one too.

One of the most important ingredients for me in making great hip-hop is to have producers and rappers who are on the same wave length, and here's a bunch of kids who do it all in-house and are clearly determined to make their own sound... to a certain extent they already have done. That's a pretty big achievement for teenagers, and I think a lot of excitement is over what they *could* do rather than what they have done. The crazy thing about The Wu was they emerged as the complete package, OFWGKTA clearly are not, but it's great to watch rappers developing in a way you rarely get a chance to.

I mean, they haven't been know for quality control, but it took me 3 sittings to get through it. Needless to say there's some great music on it though.

this first track is a bit... Hmmmm. Preferred it when they weren't giving a fuck about critics/hype etc

but hip hop is finally art! its been an emotional journey y'all

Blimey.

second only to bin laden and charlie sheen in the shut-the-fuck-up-about-it stakes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/sessions/2011-05-03_oddfuture

Dancing and lyric lols.

I'm holding out on more opinions on them until I hear the album I mean I've not heard a thing but the single and Frank Ocean lol since they got singed so haven't really been able to comment. Hope MellowHype is next for an offical album he's maybe the best since Earl is out the picture for now.

:D

that's why it's not available on the OF tumblr anymore. Definitely looking forward to that.

Its about 40 minutes too long and waaaaaay toooooo ploddddddding. Every beat is the same tempo and not nearly as experimental as I expected it to be. The song 'Radicals' is a good example of why I dont like it (sorry antpocalypse); 7 minutes long, slow, boring, and brought down by a lame chorus. The schtick is a little too much, Its all coming off as very "try-hard." There's not enough balance and its sequenced like a slug. Meh

http://ichlugebullets.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/the-ten-most-important-lines-on-goblin/

ive only heard that youtube with the samples, which obviously is no way to listen to an album, got me a bit worried. i'll give it a lot of time though and i'm sure it'll have good moments

all he needed was about ten tracks, roughly 35 minutes. done. the only person who can vaguely get near to getting away with 1hr+ rap LPs is kanye

well they where always going to be one of those groups that either thrived under the spotlight or went really shit. They're mad sesitive and young so they where bound to be pushed pretty swift with this attention. I just hope you're wrong lol (you're prob not though haha)... It kinda suprises me though Tyler was always the best at beats so wonder why he flaked here.

just too samey. Not enough variation in things as simple as tempo or texture. The album has no room to breath, just one long giant downer, which may be good if your in the mood for that, idk.

:(

Like half the songs are about "getting back" at his dad or at school or at the hype and all that and i'm all like "give a fuck, get back to being hilarious and playful and exciting".

once earl finally gets freed maybe that will save OFWGKTA

I dunno I really hope this grows on me but I don't think it will.

COMPANY OX

I echo the beats thing. Not feeling it. His immaturity is way more pronounced than it was on Bastard.

except for Sandwitches, I don't really like all that many of the songs he's attached his name to. I even find Yonkers a bit meh. I thought Bastard was boring and same-y. and on the Radical mixtape, his songs are the ones I'm most likely to skip. even with Sandwitches I find I'm more inclined to watch the video from Fallon instead of listen to the recording, which captures nil of the excitement in the video. when I do listen to the recording, it's usually to hear Hodgy Beats' verse and to mime along with 'uuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh FUCK CHURCH'.

anyway, it was Earl and Hodgy Beats/MellowHype and Frank Ocean that made me think 'wow, these Odd Future kids are really something'. its mostly their songs that I return to listen to over and over, and who I'm most excited to hear of in the future (if'n Earl is ever freed).

Tyler is a great mastermind and everything, but it seems like he's a little too over self-indulgent and can't reign it in. he'll probably grow over the years, though, and become truly great.

Goblin's pretty boring for me, too slow paced with little change in direction. Yet they seem to take it up a lot of notches when playing live at least. I'm sure the MellowHype release will make up for it, as well as live performances.

Yeah, its far less immediate and energetic than some of the other OF stuff (although, for me at least, "Bastard" took a lot of listens to really get into; the really immediate OF stuff for me is like "Rolling Papers" and "Earl") but I don't see how it is necessarily a bad thing that it lacks those qualities.

The thing I'm struggling with is whether the album is truely dark (and I'm talking about Tyler's lyrics about fame and friends and his relationship with his mother, not the "KILL PEOPLE BURN SHIT FUCK SCHOOL" stuff) or whether Tyler is just exaggerating all his emotions the same way he exaggerates all the "nasty" blog-baiting stuff. I don't really know how to take a lot of the lyrics on here.

Tyler has potential but isn't quite there but has been thrust into the light prob cos the others aint as outgoing and some lable jumped on who ever they could get first. If he gets time he'd prob kill it but right now I'm not sure.

I don't know how to take all the 'deep' personal stuff on this album - which is quite interesting, at first, if it's all honest - when he counteracts it with the rapekillingshockLOL stuff. Its a bit of a strange one.

The album itself is wayyyyy too long and samey and a bit indulgent, but he's got the potential to make something really good. Just this isn't really it. Pitchfork will jizz all over it though.

i love when jasper/taco get a chance to rap its fucking hilarious

Cut out 35 minutes or so and it would be the best OFWGKTA record yet.

But which hip-hoppers couldn't really?

There's WAY too much use of the pitched down voice effect. The whole being in therapy thing is mega naff and along with this weird desire to justify his music and 'address' his critics just comes across as a bit desperate and lame.

But aside from that it just doesn't work as an album. As other people have said its way too long, pacing is terrible, every song is a mid-placed plodder (more bangers/ballads please) and I think it needs more guest spots as Tyler's just doesn't have enough vitality in his voice to hold your attention alone for so long. It just lacks that playful kids fucking about vibe of the other releases.

I think Yonkers, Analog, Tron Cat, She and Bitches Suck Dick are the only really great tracks.

i dunno i was listening to prince paul the other week and it really works on that album

BlackenedWhite is the best for sure.

sure, a lot of the criticisms that seem to be being levelled at the new one could apply to that, overlong, one-paced, could have a bit more diversity, interesting concept/theme done fairly hamfistedly (although from what i'm hearing, they apply far more to Goblin)

but its probably my second favourite odd future release. the character really comes through, there's a bit of diversity and the guest spots are mostly great.

i'd say the majority of it is merely pretty good but mostly just an interesting unrefined 'character' who shows potential to be great, but on tracks like Bastard, French, Seven, AssMilk he's already there imo

blackenedwhite (probs the only truly exceptional release)
EARL
bastard
nostalgia, ultra
the journey to the 5th echelon

havent really listened to the others to make a list beyond that, dont really rate radical that much

i want earl back

Pretty standard weed rap. I like Mike G a lot though, he's probably the most underrated member.

82 minute bloated albums seem like a bit of a step back now.

Still get the odd bloated album and there's still a willingness to just chuck anything out. I guess the internet mixtape culture has stopped that infiltrating proper releases so much now though.

So far - not enough change in pace, some of the songs are far too long. He also seems far more self conscious then I thought he would. Some the lyrics seem to touch on things that would have only really come up in the last couple of months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT2XYrIJHSA

agree with pretty much everything in there, unfortunately.

I'm assuming those who are slagging it off hadn't really heard much Odd Future before? I mean, if you told me Tyler was going to release and 82 minute record this is exactly what I'd expect. Slag it off all you like if you just downloaded it for the hype, but if one week ago you were saying SWAG SWAG SWAG and now your jumping off the bandwagon you can't have been a fan of their music in general in the first place. If it was another free mixtape it would be plenty good, and lets face it, that's what it would've been if a major label hadn't picked it up.

*you're

When you say "their" music you are referring to the collective, not just specifically Tyler's music. But like I said, THIS PARTICULAR album is poor, regardless of price, hype or bandwagons.

I think everyone has articulated their actual reasons for not liking it, not like people are just jumping on baord like O DAMN SON THIS SUCKS BALLS HAHAHAHA, YALL GOT SUCKAAAAA'D.

Honestly though, what do you like about it?

http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4281286

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmeWpCFtYYg

And I don't particularly love this, but I'd say the general quality is at least as good & if it was cut down to a similar length would be a stronger overall record. I can't say too much after 2 listens to what amounts to 2 albums worth of material, but there's enough cuts I'm digging already that it makes it a worthwhile release for me. I'm shocked that (apart from the length) people were expecting something much different from what they got, I'm not shocked that they don't like it.

This ain't as good as Bastard (which was probably a 7 for me). A few choice cuts doesn't make up for the monotony, and while this can't be blamed on the length alone, the production, subject matter and delivery all get fairly tired. Seriously, could I give a shit that he's a tiny bit famous now, or that HE'S NOT BEING SERIOUS WHITE AMERICA.

I still think, that when he's on, Tyler is my favourite member & I'm sure several of these cuts will jump out at me over time (a lot of Wolf Gang stuff has taken a while to sink in for me). He's not the best technically, but he's certainly the most compelling & to be honest I expected a little more of this album too. Obviously, BlackenedWhite is still the best OF release, but I there is more to come and Tyler is hopefully just finding his feet.

I really like it.

Yeah, wee bit long I guess and I maybe preferred bastard but I still think this is a really good album. One of the best I've heard this year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/07/tyler-the-creator-odd-future

How embarrassing.

LOL at Guardian readers being 'down' with Odd Future by posting "GOLF WANG, FREE EARL, SWAG etc'. Tools!

Weird article.

SWPL

What the hell happened to the rest of the album? The first track ruins any chance of the album having momentum, and I'd just like to point to Radicals and say 'don't do that.' And it's really horrible for a controversial artist to try to pre-empt criticism in the music. It just seems like he shouldn't care and it makes his delivery on Radicals seem disingenuous.

http://ichlugebullets.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/the-ten-most-important-lines-on-goblin/

again: :')

“Crashed my own house party cuz nobody came” he stole from sum 41. i’m not proud i know this.

LULZ

Electric Ballroom - July 5th
Manchester Academy 2 - July 12th
Birmingham HMV Library - July 13th

Typical.

Typical!

Music fans up here too guys!

Sorry, just grinds my gears sometimes.

I'll take that back if they are.

Don't see them on the lineup

It was pretty good and I wasn't massively offended but I'd been warned it was designed to offend so that's probably why.

Didn't really get why people thought it was amazing, though.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Living/Music/article/13813/chipmunk-and-professor-green-confirmed-for-t-in-the-park.html

i dont want to go to t in the park but i want to see odd future

For all the moaning I do about that festival, they've actually got some really good acts this year.

Some, not a lot.

http://www.gigsandtours.com/gat/event.asp?n|showname=soon&showname=OFWGKTA&e|promoter=372&resultsperpage=50&orderby=date%2Ctime&filler1=gigsandtours&filler2=ofwgkta

Booked

Seetickets are utter, utter cunners

It wont confirm my booking. Argh.

unless it just let me get 4. Sure I can shift them if it did. Thanks for the heads up!

Awesome. Thanks, RexBanner

insane. they can get cunted.

Fucking hell.

for that link, booked a ticket for the Birmingham date, i'd have probably missed out on a ticket tomorrow as i've got an education day with work which starts at ten, when the tickets go on sale, so i'd be out the house and away from the computer.

total £19

what the fuck. cuntlords. That's unreal. WOuldn't mind going but seriously they can fuck off

Yonkers, Sandwitches, and Tron Cat are all so much better then everything else on the album. It's kind of annoying how he keeps mentioning how annoyed he is about people being at offended at his music too when he clearly does it to offend people.

"Fresh off the release of his album Goblin today, Odd Future’s frontman was cuffed for disturbing the peace earlier this afternoon while promoting the project at Westchester High School. He wasn’t charged and was released shorty afterwards. Over a week ago, his OFWGKTA compadre Frank Ocean was detained as well."

http://rapradar.com/2011/05/10/tyler-the-creator-detained-in-l-a/

That was seperate. I'm pretty sure he was arrested with Jasper

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010w899#synopsis

from about 30 mins onwards

July 6th

About the pre-empt criticism point. Its criticisms that have already been attributed to them and why shouldn't he care? He's a few days younger than for christ sakes, I know if I was shoved into the limelight I would care and personally I think he's done the right thing by laying everything he has on the table at this point.

Does that make it a great album? No. Does it make it a really interesting album? I would say so.

With everything that's gone on, I feel like this is almost the best album Tyler (or even OF as a collective) could release. It'll calm a few people down with the hype trains and yet give them somewhere to springboard from.

Anyway, "I just want to take her like a pirate. aaarggghhh!" How can you not like!

'Her' is the best song on the album. FACT!

http://www.nme.com/news/brother/56653

did you guys get tickets on the 11th? Thought they went on sale on the 12th!

they sold out so quickly, i'm glad they added a second london date!

tyler's opinion of brother is the same as his opinion of bruno mars

someone who posts on here posted up a pre sale link on the 11th, which is when I booked my ticket

Oh well, saves me forking out £15 for the record

10 tracks over 25 minutes felt pretty refreshing. Striaght to the point.

Is an awesome record, but tyler's not the best odd future member.

I think mellowhype show the most promise, having said that, i never really listen to EARL and he's supposed to be awesome.

what, Slough?

http://teganandsara.com/news/a-call-for-change/

But when a rapper does it, it must be misogynist?

strangest comparison of the day award^

this is an article.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/may/09/hip-hop-homophobia
i dont agree w/ it but i think the point about who ofwgkta are trolling is an interesting one

But the subject matter isn't that different. The point is that Tyler's homophobic/rape language is quite clearly a work of fiction. He doesn't rape and kill people and doesn't condone it either. Its obviously an oversimplification to just say, "Its a rap version of Sarah Kane from a male standpoint." But there are points of intersection.

Basically, Its a 21st century Lord Rochester.

''Who sticks up for women and gay people now? It seems entirely uncool to do so in the indie rock world, and I’ll argue that point with ANYONE.''

>indie rock world
>talking about hip hop
>indie rock world
>my face when:
http://i51.tinypic.com/2dmcisl.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/28uhhyt.jpg

gtfo, seriously

maybe that plugs into his point. ofwgkta aren't mobb deep.

sorry to make you read it. tbh i only skimmed it, and linked to it for want of anything better to do (and because the discussion had come up on here before, i think w/ a couple of people saying the homophobia put them off, and iirc correctly i said it didn't bother me much)

I was telling the guardian. haha.

some of us just listen to them for some good clean fun

are white people with almost no prior interest in hip hop

that's not to say people previously into hip hop don't dislike them too, but the 'intellectual' discourse being thrown up about them is quite clearly coming from people who don't even like rap and hip hop, talking as if they can fairly evaluate tyler's lyrics in an accurate context. by the same token, there was an awful lot of "oh it's a bit long isn't it?" which isn't the worst thing in the world but it all adds to the white middle class nausea surrounding them.

Hmm.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/free-earl-sweatshirt-odd-future.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t-zaWE8cq8

http://www.mediafire.com/?amknvg0xe0j7u01

http://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler/status/69920687548145664

i guarantee you thats gonna pop up in each of seans articles for the next year accompanied with the question "Are record stores dead?/is hip hop the best business model for music? etc etc"

maybe because Earl is way the best member, but I don't know, it seemed to articulate what I like about them pretty well

Really don't know what to think about that whole Earl situation. So weird.

Had no idea what this thread was about until now.

The kid is so talented, if he can come back strong, cut out the shock value stuff but keep the humour he will be responsible for some incredible hip hop.

Also watch the Fallon performance.

Just ordered the record. I always manage to be about 3 months behind everyone else.

As Goblin is hit and miss (although when it hits it's fantastic.)

Earl and BlackenedWhite are essential.

So good to see a long-form, well written article about them: so much about them recently has descended into sub-Hipster Runoff hype ditchwater and they deserve a lot of better.

Refreshing to see Earl come across as so thoughtful and articulate too - makes a nice change to the "lol that's gay" Tyler soundbites that've been proliferating of late (not that they don't have their place, perhaps).

So funny to see jumped up indie pricks having their first interaction with rap and having no idea that having nasty lyrics in rap is not a new thing by any means. But they feel the need to claim authority on something they have no knowledge of because it's "think piece material" and they need to have something to say. Kind of lame that those sorts of opinions are being given credence, but whatevs.

SWAG

But someone has graf'd OFWG and a sort of bit of a K by the side of the Grand Union canal in Kensal Rise.

Was it one of you?

SEEDY HO'S, G

pretty torn about it. I think it's kind of admirable that he's gone right ahead and put out such a plodding/bleak album despite the hype. That said it definitely gets a bit too close to boring for my liking. Maybe those bits will grow on me, I don't know. Anyway the most important thing..... Transylvania, woah.

Using "white middle class" as an insult says more about people who so vehemently defend this stuff than anything else ever could.

And the irony of you expressing such a view in a place like Drowned in Sound's music board is just delicious.

A new track of the BLACKENEDWHITE re-release. Cool track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWMOEVdXR2o&feature=player_embedded#at=89

http://www.soulculture.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/TYLER_MIX_COVER-e1309740282430.png
http://www.mediafire.com/?w3hqp57aalkwd1k

in Birmingham last night, not quite sure to make of them live, the sound seemed too muddied, with the rapping sort of lost in the bassiness of it, but the spectacle of the gig, the crowd was great to watch as they all went crazy (from my 'i'm too old for this shit' position at the back of the room, that said I do think I was at least 9/10 years older than the majority of the crowd)and the energy on the stage from the group was good too. Glad I went, but I think that at the moment it's the crowd reaction which is the high point of the live thing, and not the group's performance, even if the sound wasn't helping them, i've seen much better hip hop/rap shows.

Trouble On My Mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GKL_ZoJQjc

Other than the walking paradox line, again.

tyler get nominated for two VMAs, not that i'd usually even notice but i remember it being a goal he was always quite vocal about and nice to see someone realising their dreams. extra kudos to MTV for putting him against bruno mars. actually quite keen to watch it this year now.

haven't listened to odd future much recently cos I was pretty disappointed by Goblin but this is great

because of the new Mellowhype song '67'. Definitely a big step forward in my opinion and packs much more of an emotional punch and genuine anger than anything they've bought forth before.

hodgybeats.tumblr.com

or

vyron.tumblr.com

Game ft. Tyler, The Creator & Lil Wayne - Martians & Goblins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmVQhwQVINA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/aug/10/steve-albini-odd-future

on the odd future tumblr. sick. picked some really good beats to go over and there's a song called 'smokemon'. sw..ag?

http://www.limelinx.com/files/90be4af7b7b7db212a85bb31a020485f

maybe a hidden gem in the OF-fringe. think he's making full-lengths with frank ocean and domo genesis. very keen for both. think the key to longevity with OF will be mixing up the producers.

Good stuff.

.....Shoot a nigga with a llama. heh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvn51HzTXpI
not what i expected but I quite like it, the productions pretty lush

I was into The Jet Age of Tomorrow so this should be interesting

including London and Paris. Wish I was around for these.

they are only well known for doing stupid stuff and brutal lyrics... they are overrated and their is generally too much hype about them in my opinion.

Was really good, they're back on form after Goblin and Frank Ocean for me now.

11th November at XOYO. on gigsandtours.com or through frankocean.com

Frank Ocean's increasing profile and Hodgy Beats doing a couple of Stones Throw collaborations. Definitely optimistic there's a lot of good stuff to come.

http://soundcloud.com/frank-ocean

Always thought he was overhyped, guy has a good voice but other than Novocane no real songs, but this is a huge step in the right direction.