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I had heard about their pay-to-play policy and wondered if it was true
i didnt know about that. what is it? sounds like quite a good idea. stops the promoter loosing money. more promoters should do this
I think from a No pay 2 play myspace that was taken down.
Never actually come across them irl though.
I wanted to check on their possible disreputableness before spouting about them
There's a good chance they won't be needing to play these sort of gigs. It sounds like they operate in the same way that any other pay to play promoter does, only on a bigger, more profitable scale.
If you're in a band that can bring 40 people down it's way more financially viable/rewarding to put on your own gigs.
Either promoters take responsibility for bringing people through the door or they aren't promoters.
I mean okay you've got your 40 people through the door and the promoter's happy but you're playing to 40 people who were coming to see your band anyway so it doesn't seem you're acquiring new fans in any sense...
Plus I'd imagine any band that brought 40 people and were any good would be sought by promoters who put on gigs at that quality of venue and pay bands up-front for appearing. The only possible market I can see for these gigs are bands that have 40 mates who'll come along and see them but aren't actually good enough to appeal to anyone beyond their friends.
do we really need another 'oh my pay to play is awful' thread though? If you think the promoter's going to be gash, don't play for them. Simple!
Btw what day/time/place is it you're on at Swn?
You get to play at venues that are too big for your band
(unless you bring enough people to fill them)
You've revived it to praise FeedMe, this allowing others to criticise.
Either you aren't bright, or this is satire. If the latter, well done.
No. No it's not. It's about a promoter being honest with bands. And if pay-to-play promoters were honest with bands, they'd take the word 'promote' out of their job title.
"If you don't bring the required people then how can you blame anyone else?"
Well... the promoter's job is to bring in bands that he believes are suitable for the band, the venue, the night, and the crowd he's hoping to pull. If he gets this wrong, then he should lose money. Simple as that.
And the reason for that is that if he gets it right, he earns a fuckload of money. So there's the balance of risk vs gain. You risk losing money, but could gain loads.
Bands should be paid what the promoter deems them to be worth. Tell a band upfront what they're going to get. If you say £100 and band think 'no way, we'd bring 300 people to that gig so we're worth more' then they say no to the gig.
If the promoter pays them too much, that's his fault for doing bad business. If he gets them at the right time, he does good business and pays them a reasonable amount with a decent return.
I'm fed up with promoters who want to make money and aren't prepared to risk any money. It's a business! That's how it works!
And I'm speaking as someone who just put on a really bug night that lost thousands. It's a fucker, but that's how it goes.
agreed. thedoubtaffair..fuck right off you dumb cunts
I think if I'd put on a bug night, I might have been more successful.
Being able to attract 40 people implies the band should be in demand.
Some bands are naive enough to think that playing bigger venues such as Astoria 2 means they're going to get somewhere. You could apply the same idea that Feedme use in Wembley Arena, it still means fuck all.
but the simple fact is a lot of bands either don't seem to know about pay 2 play or don't think having to pay for unsold tickets counts as Pay 2 play.
Although these kind of promoters are in something of a minority at the moment, it hasn't always been that way (in London at least). Last thing we need is more of them getting a foothold.