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Why you being a dickhead for: Kate Nash hits out at her critics

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by Alex Denney
Artists: Kate Nash

It’s honestly up there with the most controversial couplets of all time. When Kate Nash sang the lines “You said I must eat so many lemons 'cos I am so bitter / I said ‘I'd rather be with your friends mate 'cos they are much fitter’” a nation fell in love, fell about laughing and vomited into its collective cornflakes.

It was the pronunciation wot dun it, of course; the fatal rhyming of ‘bitt-ah’ with ‘fitt-ah’ that turned normally god-fearing folk into spitting, fiery daemons of class warriordom in a way that the assembled hordes of lagered-up indie bands claiming working class roots could never dream of.

Reservations about class tourism aside, however, ‘Foundations’ was without precedent. It was simply leagues apart from the ropey electro grind of Nash’s much-lampooned first single, ‘Caroline’s A Victim’, its indelible chorus, replete with fluttering, heart-in-mouth strings taking the single to number two before the attention of beeb radio airplay.

But accusations that Nash is the prissy middle class girl playing chav to latch onto current trends have persisted, and the lady in question is most definitely bovvered.

“I don’t care if you think I’m fake,” says Nash. “I couldn’t give a toss basically because what does that even mean, y’know I’m not made out of plastic.

“I just feel like saying fuck off to those people. I don’t like negativity. I’m up for trying things and encouraging people to make music, you don’t have to be Jimi Hendrix to pick up a guitar, I’m certainly not but if someone has a problem with that they don’t have to listen to my music and that’s fine.”

She pauses, before reverting to the more familiar cant about ‘rising above’ the jibes of her detractors:

“I’ve stopped reading any press, as soon as the album came out I was like ‘end of’ basically. I don’t read other people’s album reviews anyway so I just thought why put myself through that, I’ve put so much work into this. All the stuff’s on there because I think it should be on there. I don’t need somebody I’ve never met to tell me I’m rubbish.”

“There’ve been times when I’ve actually cried, y’know if you’re publicly bullied then you’re gonna be upset, but if you don’t read it then you’re never gonna know.

“ A while back I met Simon Pegg who I absolutely love, he had my first vinyl and really liked my songs, and when you meet people you really respect you think ‘yeah, actually, I feel like I’m doing the right thing.’”

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'Foundations'

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The follow-up single, ‘Mouthwash’, drew complaints of another kind – regarding her lyrics, which admittedly at times are so banal as to border on the absurd. Does Nash think it’s a valid line of criticism to argue that, as much as a person might enjoy cups of tea and beans on toast, it might not warrant inclusion in a song?

“Well I wouldn’t want to write about the same things all the time,” she says. ”I’d like to change and grow as a writer, so hopefully I’ll have different things to say with the second album.

“But I got into punk music when I was 17, it just made me realise how fucking simple it was, they might be saying something I’ve heard before but I wouldn’t care, it just sounded cool. It taught me that songs don’t necessarily have to be profound, when things are simple they’re easier to understand.

“But with ‘Mouthwash’ I read this play called Guardians about a female soldier that was pictured torturing Iraqis. There’s a monologue from her and the one thing she says she couldn’t get out of her head was these women buy toothpaste, like they’re in a totally different world but they’re the same as her.

“When you strip away everything from someone you have the same basic needs like brushing your teeth so this was saying don’t judge me... it’s a bit of a protest song really.”

On the flipside Nash’s lyrics hold a certain fascination, like stumbling across the contents of a schoolgirl’s diary, although she insists they’re not purely autobiographical.

“Usually it’s a mixture of both,” she says. ”Like if I’ve had something happen to me or one of my friends then I’ll create characters round that. So some of it’s really true and some I’ll just let my imagination run away with me.

“You’ve got to have a certain amount of truth in your art for it to connect with people but you can dress it up and make it funny or horrible or whatever. ‘Foundations’ is about this relationship I had that just got all bitter and weird by the end of it, but I’ve watched my friends do the same thing with their boyfriends.

A lot of the songs on Made Of Bricks are about failing relationships, but Nash doesn’t see herself as being a cynic.

“I’m a romantic I think, the relationships I’ve had have just been really flaky, like three to five months of nonsense and bullshit, you know I’ve had guys who have just not been very nice to me. But I’m not cynical, I don’t worry about any of that.

Does her romantic side mean she’s always disappointed?

“Well I’ve been hurt but I think you should wear your heart on your sleeve. I’m not afraid of being stupid or of someone seeing me at my weakest and then leaving me or whatever, I think human beings will do that to each other, you know you hurt the people you love the most. But I’m very optimistic and I love people, I just acknowledge there’s gonna be bumps along the way.

Elvis Costello once said he hit a point where he would try to sabotage relationships so that he’d have something to write about, but Nash looks bemused at the suggestion that she might one day follow suit.

“I think I’d give up if it ever came to that, just write about flowers and stuff. But I don’t always have to write about relationships.”

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'Mouthwash'

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If proof were needed of Nash as the consummate modern day pop star then her ‘blog-happy MySpace page is surely it, stuffed to the gills as it is with name-drops of semi-obscure leftfield artists such as Jonathan Richman and Devotchka. Nash sees no problem with this:

”I never thought I was gonna be commercially successful but now I am which is cool, and there’s nothing wrong with pop music. But then I think it’s pop music that’s genuine like The Beatles used to be, before it got cool to get loads of guys in business suits who don’t know anything about people, to write songs for guys and girls who have fake tans and choppy haircuts.”

“I think it’s fine to have that list there just to encourage people to look into music they might not have heard before.”

Maybe it’s the posh-girl-slumming-it accusations, but Nash’s interviews tend to be peppered with allusions to that mantra of the celebrity age, ‘realness’. And yet she has expressed admiration for artists who are anything but, from Björk to Kate Bush to Regina Spektor. Does she think there's still a place for a sense of other-ness in pop?

”Well for me someone like Kate Bush or Bjork really is real,” Nash argues. “Obviously they have that amazing theatrical thing which I’m really into, but this is just who I am at the moment, you know I started doing gigs at a pub in Harrow so I’m not in a position to do that kind of thing.”

In contrast to the everydayness of the bulk of her lyrics, Nash also exhibits a certain kookiness and empathy with outsider figures on tracks like ‘Skeleton Song’ and ‘Mariella’. The latter is particularly interesting in the context of the parlous interviewee sitting across from me, a story of a girl who glued her lips together and wore black to make herself appear more mysterious.

“Yeah, it’s like when I’m in a room I’m just like ‘bang, bang, bang, loud opinions blah’ but sometimes you’ll have someone in the group that never really says anything, and when they do everyone’s like, ‘well you said that so it must be right’, you just really respect it ‘cos they don’t give it all away.

“I wish I could be this Emily Strange character living in her own little world who doesn’t need anything.

“I like children and their mindsets, kids make up stories and they’re just so crazy, and that’s what I try and do, just don’t give yourself boundaries. It’s a funny world, this industry, and I could get wrapped up in it if I wanted to, but that’s why my album’s called Made Of Bricks, ‘cos my relationship with my family is really strong and they really look out for me.”

Nash is understandably piqued at the ‘Mini Allen’ tag which has followed her from the outset and attributes much of the name-calling to a latent sexism in the music industry.

“The press would have really loved to make a feud between me and Lily but you just get past it by supporting each other,” she says. “Women get penalised so much in this industry so you’ve got to be on the same side.

“The reason I became so aware of it – and I sound like such a raving feminist now - is every room I went into there’d be loads of men and me, y’know radio, managers, producers, TV, labels, everyone, it’s mad and you just notice it.

“And then you have the press calling everyone ‘Mini Allens’, you know there’s always room for another band with the exact same set-up, which is fine, but why doesn’t that exist for women?”

Nash is protective not just of her own music but of the clutch of artists following in her wake: “Female singer-songwriters are in fashion now and it’s like there’s only room for a couple more, then it’s ‘sorry girls, back to bands’, and grouping people like Laura Marling, me and Adele together as Mini Allens is harsh ‘cos we’re totally not.

“Just listen to our music and if you can’t hear the difference then please go and get an education.”

Whether that’s the same education which produced the grammar-mangling songwriter of Made Of Bricks is a moot point, but Nash's message to her critics is clear: "why you being a dickhead for?"



One of my best friends

went to Brit with her, and he's quite adamant it' all an act, and so every time I read anything about her being 'real' I can't help thinking it's complete bullshit. Plus I only read this to kill time, I honestly couldn't care less what she thinks.


...

Why is everyone so scathing towards her? I mean sure she ain't the most articulate person in the world and she has a fascinating grasp of grammar but it doesn't deserve mean-ness.

And why shouldn't she mention semi-obscure leftfield artists? Shit, famous people might like them too!


Mmm

fit.


yeah

intelligent input darlin'


It was to match

the lyrics and their depth.


I'm not gonna read this

C'mon now. We're supposed to be DiScussing bands from Toledo, OH nobody's heard of. Shite.


me neither

but a quick scan of this has made me lose all respect for Simon Pegg (well, any remaining respect, after that Fatboy film..).


she seems like a nice girl

but there's no reason for her to release records.


seriously, what's the fucking point?

The interviewer doesn't seem very positive about her and she doesn't have anything interesting to say. And it's hardly for our benefit is it?

I know she's a bit of a big fish to catch in the interviewing net but that's really no reason to do it. Or did Murdoch storm into your office and say "you guys just HAVE to interview this Kate Nash woman. She is soooooo hot right now OMG LMAO N TING"


i don't know why

you bothered interviewing this wanker. she is boring and has so little credibility.


have you never...

...got anything constructive to say? your posts are always aimed at nash. what's with that big chip on your shoulder?


i just really dislike

all this london chav culture music, nash, allen, jamie t, they should all be shot! it makes me feel ashamed to say i live in london!


i wonder when she'll have that revelation

that swear words aren't big or clever.


Gashy Nashy

Send the bitch to Iraq.


hey!

how come you're allowed to swear on the front page?


Cunt

proves herself to be a cunt. World ends.


maybe she's not the best musically.

but she's quite fit to be honest.


Common misconception thanks to 'bitter lemon'.

Also the line in question is essentially a quote so it could be argued that it merely reflects real life.

Not that I have any liking for Kate Nash but I'm a fair person at heart. :D


How is she fit?

She looks fairly attractive from a distance, but when you see her close up, something screams "Mr. F"...


you wouldn't look twice

at her if you saw her down the street, she is a total plain jane trying to be all kooky with her topshop vintage and lyrics about cups of tea. she has nothing of worth to say, she just waffles on about complete rubbish and tries to look smart, shes a total idiot


I think she's fit.

Oh well.


Whoa, lyrics

Just listened to Foundations and half of Mouthwash for the first time (don't listen to much radio, only heard that Umbrella 2 weeks ago - it's pretty good). So many awful, awful lyrics almost so bad it's good. No, it's just bad. The bit about sick on her trainers stands out for me. She doesn't look too comfortable with the whole Starlight Express theme either. Gash indeed.

Still think she's fit though. Shoot me.


fit?

come off it mate, you need to see her upclose then you'd come to your senses, shes quite beefy, anyone can look good in a black and white photo


having shit lyrics never stopped New Order or U2

so why all the hate towards her? sure I don't like her music, but as others have said she doesn't seem that bad a person


she seems like a stupid person

who shouldn't do interviews cuz she only makes herself look even worse


I almost feel sorry for her

because she always sounds so stupid.


she brings it on herself

silly cow, she's too young she should think before she says stupid things


I agree entirely

You can tell she's genuinely hurt by all the abuse thrown her way, but doesn't seem anywhere near articulate or clever enough to refute them.

She also comes across as a really stroppy cow with this little gem: "I’ve stopped reading any press, as soon as the album came out I was like ‘end of’ basically." You can just picture her saying it as well. *shudder*


end of basically

yeh she'd say it like with her big chin out and maybe some hand movements and shaking her generic hair, god this girl makes me want to scream! so fucking annoying, id say shes worse than that jack penate and hes bloody annoying


the thing about the identikit indie bands

is bullshit. I regularly see bands like that crititicised on this site


surely

there are more worthy targets?


This clss tourism thing

is bullshit though, affectations are used all the time in poetry, why not in songs?


Because

it's trying too hard and is skin-crawlingly embarrassing.


I think 'I have nostalgic pavements'

is a lovely lyric. who gives a shit about what 'class' she comes from. I can't think of one vocalist who sings in their 'natural' accent, its all varying degrees of putting a different voice on.

she seems like a good person, i think people are unduely harsh on her.


how does she seem like a good person?

she seems like a fake person, puts on a fake accent, writes crimminal lyrics, says things like "i fucking love the sex pistols" to try and sound credible, shes bullshit


i don't understand why people get so upset about her

i don't think liking the sex pistols makes you 'sound credible'- quite the opposite in fact. Her accent is no more fake then say Ian Curtis' accent or Amy winehouse's accent. Amy winehouse tries to sound like a black american woman!!!


^^^

the slagging off is a bit ridiculous


All you haters

can just go an get an edyukayshun.


she talks funny,

she is not bjork, she likes punk rock but wears a dress, she uses slang when clearly she she is aware of the correct grammar, she has a record deal and a popular elpee whereas my shitty band remains "under-exposed"

burn the witch,
obviously


maybe

saying "I like The Damned, Bad Brains and Stiff Little Fingers" will make her sound more credible


i read an interview where she said she liked the minutemen!!!!

In yer face!!!! she is obviously punk rock to the core. hahaha.


I find the sneering tone towards her

and the reaction in the comments section, really unpleasant. Personally, I liked Foundations but the other songs I've heard have been nowhere near as good, yet I've neither heard or read anything that indicates that she deserves the scorn poured on her. Also, the digs about her weight and the way she dresses are so tiresome. Some people need to grow up.


shes the one

who always go on about "oh im curvy" yes we know love, so what? its like she likes to draw attention to it. she is proper boring as an artist, she literally has nothing to say at all. its a shame really because i think we are seriously lacking in young female artists who girls can look up to.


*in


come on

we're not living in the 50's you can't use that excuse anymore, i don't see any sexism in music press


quite a lot of the abuse you yourself have sent her way

and much of the music press - it wouldn't happen is she was male


no it wouldn't happen if...

she was any fucking good


Woops

I like her music AND also think that she's fit.


what is fit about her?

please somebody explain, you wouldn't give her a second glance if she wasn't a fucking stupid popstar


Each

to their own, I guess.


some people are extremely harsh...

i think she is beautiful and i like her songs.

some comments here are offensive (see dollygrl 'a fucking stupid popstar' or see bombtrack 'send the bithc to Iraq). if you don't like her that's fine, but by writing such abuse you really just reveal yourself to be rather stupid.

let's remember she's human too, if kate nash wrote a comment on here saying dollygirl was a fucking idiot, there would be an uproaor about how offensive and stupid she was.

come on lets get some perspective.


not stupid at all

its just their opinions, I terribly dislike kate nash, everything about her, especially her music and lyrics, i dislike that "london scene" in general i find it more annoying than this "lad-rock scene" that NME champion. I don't know why people give Kate Nash the time of day, if you look at her myspace page its just young pre-pubescent girls who are leaving her dumb comments, but they'll grow out of it and nash will just become another one hit wonder. the sooner the better i say.


you're Lily Allen

aren't you?


in that case

my opinion is your a total fucking cunt.

i don't know at all, but well it's 'JUST MY OPINION' so apparently that's ok. And apparently it was ok for hitler to hate jews, cos it was just his opinion right?


!

shut up about hitler you knob. and grow up. I don't think killing 6 million jewish people counts as it being 'just his opinion'. And i don't think the holocaust should be compared to something as trivial as your opinion on music.


sorry

that was a bit harsh. I'm sorry for calling you a knob, but still....


thankyou

case proven.


you are just bitta

cause my mates are much fitta.


i agree

see also: Sylvia Plath's poem "Daddy"


.

"i don't know at all, but well it's 'JUST MY OPINION' so apparently that's ok. And apparently it was ok for hitler to hate jews, cos it was just his opinion right?"

GODWIN'S LAW, BITCH


please, please, please!!!

stop your extremely harsh and hurtful comments dollygirl!

you're unbelievable!


It's the hair

what makes her fit. She has really nice hair


what?

her generic typical indie girl hair but ginger? boys are such simple beings


better than green eyes

what's your point?


God I fucking hate this girl.

She mentions herself alongside the Beatles and Bjork? She's an artistically flatlining flash in the plan pop muppet! What a fucking idiot.


what you being a dickhead for?

stop being a dickhead
what you being a dickhead for?
keep fucking up situations.

WOW SHE WRITES AMAZING DEEP LYRICS


sounds like

one of your posts


line of the century:

“I just feel like saying fuck off to those people. I don’t like negativity"


surely

"fuck off" is negative?!!! dunce


yes, that was Jesus_Quintana's point

wake up sleepyhead


Can't believe

There's so many on here saying she's fit cos of her hair - how shallow!

It's cos of her massive WAPS innit?!


i'm on 3G

no need for mobile teletext


.

i think shes really naive, and actually feel sorry for her after reading this.


she needs to get better at interviews

and she's only 20 dude


yeah she's fit

but she doesn't half talk a lot of shit.In-fact i saw an interview with her on tele and she was saying how lyrics come to her and that she's a naturally born artist...fuck off.....okay so your fit, great, shame the music is shag.