we all have to do it from time to time but its very frustrating hence my use of a swearword and lack of eloquence in the 'thread' 'title' - I once did a shit for abotu a fiver an hour and they grumbled because I didn't wear a tie - I was sitting on the bowl, facing a wall with no window in for 8 hours and I needed to wear a tie? Wearing a tie would be like having a cue card for applause at a clown's funeral