if you ignore the fact that they are complete bellends etc and just go solely off thier tunes/beats, they are pretty fuckin good i reckon..... just listened to Velociraptor for the first time, couple that with 'Pauper and in all honesty its not a bad effort for a 3rd and 4th album. 1st album kicked arse 2nd one was a bit shite but fair do's to them for trying somthing a bit different...