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But after reading 3 days worth of abuse about the thing, it's clear that he and Tom took a different conclusion from the feedback to most of the population.

For every 1 person who liked an aspect of it, I heard from 3 that didn't I'd say. Though in all fairness, the whingers are a lot more vocal than the backers...

My 2 cents.

Sound was the worst thing. Outside stages were dire. Tents were okay.

Queues were too long, but it was up to you (to a certaain extent) to join them.

Food choice wasn't good enough for vegetarians

The programme was a tad expensive at £3

The sets for some bands were stupidly short

The stages were too close together. And putting the dance tent next to the acoustic open air stage was a slight mistake

bands - some in the tents were ok, the stage ones suffered. Few showed the potential they do normally - but thats a general festival complaint in my mind

thats a massive plug...

http://www.tohellwith.co.uk/html/display_selection.php?section=3&contentID=1782

I didn't go there just to get hammered, which is what 80% of the complaints stem from. "They ran out of wine"... "I had to queue for an hour to get a beer"

I agree, the choice of food wasn't varied enough, but aren't peoplee losing sight of what got us all there in the first place.

For me, it was the words:

Fourtet
Justice
Battles
Late of the pier
Liars
Adem
Caribou
Fanfarlo
Chromeo
Duke Dumont

+ £22

I appreciate it was necessary after 2pm to queue, and that getting food was a bit bad, but come on....

You have the option to get a pint. And buying one of those fellas means you'll be in another queue within the hour I'm guessing.

Just don't blame queuing on you missing lots of bands - you saw the situation,and thought it was worth it. Deal with it...

Festivals are about the MUSIC, and then the food and drink is a bonus. Not the other way around.

I'll get off my high horse now, before I say something rude like "Fuck off back to Gordon Ramsay" or blame you for the dearth of boring Gastro pubs in London...

Thats bollocks.

Liars tent was only just full. Fourtet had less people there than Adem did. Justice was emptying by the second. I stayed til the end and had an alright day, but he's obviously not been reading the same threads / posts that I have. There were some amazing bands there - ture. But there were fewer than 5 decent perfomances during that time.

And where was the Welly Throwing????

Thats the real crime in all this...

Word...

was due to 70% of it being shite and retreading of the last record.

Chromeo at best are throwaway fun - like a version of Justice or Digitalism I'll give even less of a toss about in a years time...

I found this album wholly uninspiring?

get a sense of humour. Why all the negativity? Sure, their tunes won't date as well as Girls Aloud have done, but these guys were a cultural phenomenon.

They ushered in a change in attitude towards / by women, dominated the worldwide pop market, had more number ones than The Beatles and had a laugh doing it.

Their music was never so bad it was truly offensive. Unlike The Kooks...

Let them have their moment. I think its sad that theres only one London date and that the tickets are by lottery, but with a week free all around it maybe "DUE TO EXCEPTIONAL DEMAND" stickers will appear soon and that'll be sorted

I'm there

in the audio part of their site.

Listening to the riverrun stuff again too, and thinking all bodes well...

feature on it do you know?

I can't begin to tell you how excited I am. Even without Darren they were great when I saw them - in some ways better, cos they reinvented all their early stuff like Dirty and Dark & Long.

I can't begin to tell you how excited I am. This'll be my 6th time.

I can't begin to tell you how excited I am...

and they're really not my kind of thing at all. "nu clear sounds" has got several belting songs on it - "Jesus says" and "numbskull" ruled and if everyone had had the taste that they seemingly do now, might have been regarded a great record

how can you argue with:

shining light
burn baby burn
goldfinger
girl from mars
kung fu

hope he goes on to be a songwriter for other artists if true - his pop tunes are immense. though you COULD read this article as them saying "this is our last song (today) from our final record (eg. the most recent one)"

is much better too:

http://suitcasemusic.blogspot.com/2005/09/shellac.html

gets worse in my opinion. Nothing will ever beat Waters of Nazareth...

I think reformed over in Oz, and are playing in a new guise

O-kay...

And what's NME?

is better than anythign else they've done though, and each subsequent release gets more and more dull. A band I heard the other week that give them a good run for their money are "Teenage bad girl", on vitalic's record label

They tread some familiar ground, but do it very, very well indeed

that comes out on the same day

very, very fine record this

to find out if it was worth enduring them to see FOTl.

It wasn't...

Snowden are superb

great band, who are usually great live. But weren't that night sadly...

I wasn't slagging off these bands (though I really could do for several hours; note: to be an indie mind-changing snob, you actually have to LIKE THE BANDS IN THE FIRST PLACE). It's just that by their very names, looks and material they really don't strike me as bands destined for great things.

I expect some of you will misinterpret that and say "So you have to be fit to be in a band? What about Radiohead / Gossip / etc"

And I'd argue... well, yeah. Generally you do, if your music isn't ridiculously awesome. But these days all you need is a myspace page and a 6/10 from NME.

And hey presto!

If Biffy Clyro get success, then well done to them. It won't change my mind or life in any way; I'll still not buy their records, Xfm will likely still play the same 6 songs to death everyday and they can buy their mum's decent Christmas presents this year.

There's just something a bit odd about a world where, and I reiterate, Biffy Clyro and Snow Patrol are nationaal heroes...

was how fundamentally wrong that is.

Surely, if ever 2 bands have got track records and names that say "eternal mediocre indie stardom never converted into mainstream success" its these two

the fact they both might sell some (whisper it) records, shows the world has indeed gone mad

What next? Seafood????

08457 90 90 90

Samaritans helpline

That would be any cop?

It is an unbelievably inventive, poignant, danceable, intense, whistleable, neck hair erectng, spine tingling, momentous rolling glitterball of (re)invention.

But you were spot on...

When this happens, they join Snow Patrol, and hell will have officially frozen over.

Don't let this be the case, I urge you...

-roversial

For what its worth, I totally disagree with you and think you obviously must have put on a Klaxons record or something...

Captured the essence of their sound really well.

I personaly found it more immediate than "Alligator" though, and a bit more epic and grand sounding than previous records.

But hey, each to their own!

Above all, Warp will always be an electronic label no matter how they shift away from those early days.

But I do think they're trying to broaden their horizons a bit with this kind of cerebral math-rock-dance-stuff.

those vocals grated on me at first too, yet now they're part of the tapestry for me. Which is odd, as Akon's Lonely isn't a million miles away from this vocal-wise, and thats one of my 5 most hated songs ever...

I get where you and a few others on here are coming from, I really do, but it's not really club-worthy is it? Theres hints here and there, and moments of it, but whats wrong with that anyway?

Maximo Park are on Warp too... and they're hardly churning out electro anthems

I've tried to like them. Alas, they just seem a bit boring...

I spend more time on these forums anyway!

You all actually care?

Surely the cover was enough to put you folks off?

but the original wasn't nearly as good as i thought upon watching it again the other week.

Mask of the phantasm, thats where its at...

1. the set was too short
2. you wanted a greatest hits set
3. 1+2=3

I can see what you're saying, i've left a lot of gigs remarkably early of late (and that time is frankly ridiculous) but surely they were always going to play new stuff over old?

Really?

I'll go check out my copy again. Okay fair enough...

Hang on a sec, 9 / 10???

are enough to remind me: "what happened to good festival headline bands???"

the older stuff, where they were Mogwai-esque but with some electronic bits was superb

an average electrelane record is still better than 90% of their peers. as an album on its own its a 7 or 8, in the context of their work more like a 6 or 7 - if that makes sense?

Maybe a 6

I'm halfway through writing a review where I give it 7.

After the first 2 songs its formulaic by their standards, repeats previous ideas (but not as well), has 3 throwaway tracks and ends on a damp squib instead of the mighty track previous to it.

Had it been an album of beautiful "songs" like the 3 standout tracks, then the band would have gone even further up my chart of bands I love. But for anyone with their previous records, I feel its a bit lazy and smacks of a band's last record together...

did a good one too didn't they?

what about:

The Slits - Heard it through the grapevine
Arab Strap - You shook me all night long
Felix Da housecat - Musik is my life
Shampoo - I know what boys like
The Delgados - California uber alles

more epic and well-produced

listening to old and new today, i have a place in my heart for both. "23" off this record is immense, like The Arcade Fire covering a MBV song.