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If I thought that 'Hope For Men' was a pile of ham fisted old sub sub Jesus Lizard cack

is there any chance that I'll like this?

Loads of people said that PJ would be right up my street and, although they have all the ingredients that bands I love have, they just left me totally cold.

huh - back when I was buying the NME

it was hand inscribed on papyrus

I loved plan b and had a subscription for years

After they folded I got a subscription to The Wire which is fine but it's a bit like eating very healthy and worthy bran flakes for breakfast when you're used to having a fry up.

Their writing and pictures were awesome, their business model less so. I always bought a year's subscription and then when it ran out... the magazines stopped coming. There was never any 'would you like to renew?' email or anything.

The first track really is exceptional

Uncompromisingly beautiful song. Rest of the album struggles to live up to it, but there's still a lot there to enjoy.

*flamboyant

damn

I can't think of many artists/singers/whatevers

who combine that kind of intelligence and passion about what they do. I guess the manics did (do?) but in a much more flamboyeant way.

The financial thing is just heartbreaking. I remember reading about how Kristen Hersh had to disband Throwing Muses a few years ago (even when they were writing good songs and getting along fine) because it wasn't finanacially viable for the two boys. Jesus.

And Plan B's gone under. Bugger.

Oh and for those people purely motivated by self interest the record looks and sounds much better on vinyl so go and buy it!

Yeah spot on - I like this album and the review puts into words why.

My first reaction on hearing it was 'being the bassist in this band must be the dullest job in music'

'heavy-on-the-symbol drumming'?

either this is some brilliant reference to metaphorical percussion or you guys really need the services of a proof-reader...

brilliant record - totally agree with the 9/10 and the review

I never ever thought they'd make another essential record. In fact I never thought they'd make another good record. Blown away.

I'm all for this - totally

I think the thing that bands/labels need to focus on is making the physical copy special. If its just a CD with no lyrics, no artwork, just a disc held in place by snappy-off-able teeth then I can see why people would just download it rather than buy it (I don't condone it, but I do understand it).

The idea of paying to get instant access to the music PLUS having a nice package in the post (vinyl copy, artwork, lyric sheets, Tshirt maybe?) is a lot more attractive.

And yes, the record slays.

OI!

What about 'Throwing Muses' (the more recent one that is). THat's on Spotify - what about Epiphany or Mercury or somesuch eh????

hahahahaha 'Carlos_fearless' - the only dissenting voice

he has o board posts and 1 comment - the one above. Obviously is either a mad enemy fan or.... could it be a band-member? Are they that desperate? ARE THEY?

THe Holy Bible probably had more impact on me

but I go back to Slouvaki much more often. Yeah, Pygmalion not the greatest.

Well I think it's a great idea. An often derided genre that needs re-appraisal

I was a MASSIVE manics fan back in the day (Richey Era) and I remember them saying 'we hate slowdive more than we hate Hitler'. Looking back on it now, it's 'Slouvaki' I play most from that era (except possibly Holy Bible) of British music.

Don't be put off by the band name

This is pretty damn good post-everything guitar music. I disagree with the implication in the review that this will act as an instrumental surrogate for people who would otherwise like 'extreme' music but are put off by the vocals. Mike Gallagher's work here often borders on the ambient and is pretty far removed from his day job in ISIS.

take me out

is my favourite RHP song. I love the male/female vocal thing. Gorgeous.

oh oh dear

please be wrong :(

I agree with the tortoise album review. When two of the best artists in the world combinet

the end result should be better.

My personal beef is with the Superwolf review. I'd give that a 9 or a 10 easy, a stunning and flawless collection of songs.

Still wouldn't it be dull if we all agreed?

This is a really odd website sometimes

It was a feature in DiS (a monthly roundup I think) that first announced this record's existence to me. I bought it (thank you emusic!) I love it and now they've forgotten about it and then remember its existence.

Right - listen up you DiS reading metal snobs.....

Don't you dare, DARE to criticise Mastodon once this new record comes out because it's got actual singing on it and some more overt melodic elements.
The way that some of you lot criticise the most recent ISIS album is just plain embarressing. 'In the Absence of truth' is fantastic and having some actual singing on it only makes the screamed bits sound more intense.
I'm probably being paranoid but I can just imagine the kind of 'more-harcore-than-thou' posturing that will go on on here if this Mastadon album has taken the tack they suggest.

erm 2 and 3 would be tricky together no?

unless you are planning to clone Mr Albini.

Sod it, clone him twice, then you could have Shellac touring at the same time too.

JAW HIT FLOOR!

Ohmygodohmygodohmygod...

I remember reading about all those lyrics that Richey left behind shortly after the event. JDB said that they were even bleaker than The Holy Bible and were about cutting the feet off ballerinas etc.

I would be horrified if they produced a schmaltzy bloated fm friendly record of these lyrics - working with Steve Albini is probably the best way of avoiding this.

Just imagine a stripped down raw manics album with amazing lyrics - that could be amazing. Or it could be a compromised car-crash of a record full of lyrics that show nothing but how mentally unstable the guy was, sung by an overweight, middle aged soft rock fan.

and it is on emusic!

score.

well now that Low have lost Zack

surely they are a duo and therfore they win the thread?
Or Lightning Bolt.