stephanie_zinone

but crystal castles are a billion per cent in the wrong with this. really. x

she sends them to the local comprehensive too... x

why is it only the participating male musicians that warrant personal credit?

the assorted ipso facto girls apparently have names too. victoria smith played drums on every song. samantha valentine played bass. x

maryland isn't the deep south either geographically or culturally.

the article is beyond shite though. x

sowwy.

since the discussion deteriorated into unreasoned ranting and i don't see why i should answer to people who are personally insulting about me. like i said i actually did write you about two thirds of a rather long reply to your question but then i saw your myspace and realised you anything i said would be utterly in vain. please, tell me i'm wrong but the way i see it is:

i say i'd do as the macbeth did;
you'll say i'm a greedy capitalist with bad taste in music and no soul.

i say i'd not do as the macbeth did;
you'll say i have no conviction in the things i say and thus still have no soul.

so what's the point?

strangely, even so.

you dont have to repeat yourself so much, that is the exact reason why i'm not disecting every one of your comments and answering each point bit by bit. i think i've made all the points i want to and unless you particularly want to argue this out to the death, we're going to have to put this conversation to rest at some point.

i didnt say i'd written a thousand words of sympathy, what i said was that i'd never been lacking in respect and my comments had not been a critique of the promoter, bands, or disapointed fans. i hope my "for what it's worth..." communicated that and if it didn't then my apologies, maybe this might set the record straight.

i am not a friend of doherty and by no means is he my idol. but he is a human being and i believe he deserves empathy like anyone else.

this is the comment i was refering to:

"for what it's worth i understand it's a real dissapointment and inconvenience for the promoter and bands as well as fans that were planning on going to the original gig. my issue is really with the disproportionate response from DiS readers motivated by what i perceive to be anti-doherty music snobbery."

about the 23rd comment down, posted yesterday.

personally i would have said the 'black and white view' was exactly what i didn't promote.

i didn't imply you were 'assassinating the manager' i think that would be a little extreme by anyones standards. i was talking about character assassination. and i wasn't referring to anything you had said either you are well within your rights to point out that the gig was pulled by the macbeth manager.

i was talking about the myriad comments from other DiS readers such as "the owner is obviously a fucking prick" which struck me as being a bit harsh but maybe i'm just a pansy or something.

i've always understood your part in this, i've always understood that you are the promoter, i thought i made that clear. what i hadn't understood until a little earlier was that you were writing comments on each others myspaces about what an alleged cow i was.

in a potentially over-optimistic hope of getting closer to a some sort of resolution, this is a copied n pasted note i wrote in reply to a private message from kara:

*****

sorry for the hiatus. i wrote most of a message yesterday and it took me quite a while but i abandoned it when i saw pipppp's first diatribe of a comment. i was astounded by the lack of reason (not to mention grammar) his post displayed and wondered whether it was worth continuing the discussion.

it's only recently occured to me that the two of you are inextricably linked to the point where you've been writing bitchy little comments about me on each other's myspaces (hahaha).

which is sad really because i hadn't been lacking in respect for you and the work you do nor the bands you promote. i thought i'd made that clear in my posts; that i really do appreciate how dissapointing and of course infuriating the incident must have been for you.

what i objected to was the apparent character assissination of the venue manager with whom, for the record, i have no affiliation. basically i was making a case for him not necessarily being a fundamentally bad human being. i was also making a point about the 'any excuse' mentality which accompanies the prolific slagging off of easy targets such as pete doherty.

please feel free to pass my sentiments onto your chums.

*****

unless ace of base is a lucky guess im going to assume you've looked on my profile which states quite clearly that my name is sonia.

if you think that not being in a band means i can't possibly know about 'the inner workings' then your imagination is even more lacking than i thought.

as i said yesterday, stephanie is a pseudonym. i'm not in a band.

sorry to dissapoint you.

if you're worried about me ripping the piss out of your music, there's no need. i wouldn't be so crass.

what is your band name out of interest? only you invited me to discuss further with you in person 'at a gig'.

you've really taught me a thing or two about music/the diy scene/leading a profound, meaningful life. THANKSSS.

im waiting

seriously.

i frequent the venue. there is no respect lost. ill say it again, this matters to a handful of people in the whole world. if the venue begins to break commitments repeatedly, then i may be more tempted to agree with you. at this stage though im more tempted to believe that you're a sanctimonious hippy.

not a solicitor but a photographer. generally a music photographer no less. i completely agree with you about the internet but there's funny clever understanding-the-use of irony prat-ish and then there's cliched sanctimonious oblivious-to-irony prat-ish. i think you understand what i mean :) LOOK I JUST DID IT AGAIN.

ps stephanie zinone is merely my internet pseudonym. you have clearly never watched grease 2.

whether it constitutes a binding legal agreement or not the chances are neither these monsters or the promoter are about to get solicitors involved. the agreement thus ceases to be binding. yes it's bad practise, no it's not going to harm the venues ability to book gigs at this stage.

as i said before, if this becomes a commonplace occurence at the macbeth of hoxton street, then it might be a different story. but for as long as this is a one off or even a two off no one except the immediately affected band, promoter and handful of fans is going to give two shits.

anyway i don't know how this become such an issue. my initial point was simply this really isn't a big deal AT ALL.

if you really feel you are qualified to judge then ill just have to take your word for it.

i can't help but wonder what thought process went into the first sentence of your comment?

as for the question 'why cancel a guaranteed booking...' i can hardly believe it needs to be asked. but for the sake of argument i would guess it's because, with all due respect to the bands involved, they were more or less unheard of. most people commenting on this news story admit they have never listened to these monsters and paul marshall and that's coming from some of the biggest muso keeners in the country. love him or loathe him pete doherty is a big booking and whether he shows up or not the venue is likely to packed all night with people willing to take the chance. either way the till will be ringing for hours. it might not be the most principled of thought processes but it's a likely one.

im sure you've never done anything even remotely wanker-ish in your life.

"the owner is obviously a fucking prick." ooooh hang on a minute...

see my above post for a more reasoned response also.

obviously i meant 'most of us DONT know the specific circumstances...'

soz LOL.

i agree that it's bad form but so far it appears to be just a one off. most of us know the specific circumstances either.

perhaps the manager is a personal friend of doherty and his allegiance to his friend trumps his responsibility to any other acquaintance or number of strangers. perhaps the pub isnt paying off financially and the doherty show offered an opportunity to put some much needed extra cash through the tills to pay the rent and buy his emaciated family a decent meal. or perhaps he's just a fucking massive doherty fan and who of any of you would turn down the opportunity to host a gig by your favourite band even if it meant breaking a prior commitment. my guess is you've broken other commitments over less.

the circumstances could have been less worthy than any of these. he might simply have figured a doherty gig would be better for his reputation and his pocket than a gig by a little known band. but it's his pub and assuming he doesn't become a prolific canceller of gigs, i think this one time he can be forgiven for looking out for his own best interests.

for what it's worth i understand it's a real dissapointment and inconvenience for the promoter and bands as well as fans that were planning on going to the original gig. my issue is really with the disproportionate response from DiS readers motivated by what i perceive to be anti-doherty music snobbery.

bands pull their own gigs at the last minute with relative frequency. why shouldn't a venue manager have the same prerogative?

the real issue here is who the original line up was pulled in favour of. i'm sure DiS readers would not be displaying such outrage had it been a last minute patrick wolf / blood brothers / shins booking.

yeah bollocks mate

he's 19 she's 21 is that really so wrong? MY BAAADDD...! x

but not actually my photo! haha x

have a photo credit pleeeeaasse? thank you! x