johnnyforeigner

its still missing, were kinda doubtful any'll return it tbh. If it helps, the body is covered in bright white gaffa tape and my spit.

JUST TO PLEASE YOU

good luck collinses xx

amidoinitrite?

how much dis content is designed to attract other demographics? it must be a pretty awkward thing to balance but i dont think its that relevant here. i mean, i can imagine >9000 hits on a photo of ladio gaga but not people spoiling for a fight / seeking enlightenment cos another snobby music website slated their beloved twang, especially when it's written like this. in that respect i guess its a bit flawed, but that doesn't detract from it being a well written article from someone who actually gives a shit. and also, pitchfork do this faux-concept review style ALL THE TIME, and imo are way less articulate about it.
iminafuckingfoulmoodtodayyyy

and cruel to 16 year olds. but, does it really matter? i mean, i was obsessed with th guy till cassandra or whatevs, i spent waaay too much money on tickets and train fare to go see him (I EVEN ONCE SOLD MY SLOW CENTURY DVD FOR TUBE MONEY) and he hardly ever played anything that wasnt off his current album. that was like his schtick, "im not a jukebox, man".
i dunno if he changed that much but its not like he's quit making music or like, being conor.
anyway maybe now he'll do his singing on the desa album. that would be most excellent.

stuart campbell next plz..

is getting worse.
yay tramlines! dont bring any girls or blacks plz x

is someone who pretends to be people on internet message boards in order to stir stuff up. in yr case, you pretend to be an offended black man and a class obsessed girl. i don't pretend to understand you but its kinda fascinating. (and completely obvious to anyone who uses this board a lot)

anyway, yr insults dont really ring true, at least not with me. ive met just as many girls IRL from here as i have boys, and, like it or not, indie rock has always been dominated by middleclass white boys, and this is an indie rock website. yr confused as to whether yr complaining about the state of music or essentially critising people who write on these boards for not being black.

either way it's completely futile, yr like a drunk old man on a beach screaming at passing ships.

and obsessed with talking about posh boys?

i disagree, yr confusing opinions and facts.

see, i strongly disagree with yr first point, if we're talking about pure journalism - the facts should be what you build yr article on. and if yr a good enough writer then you make yr entertainment out of that. and, if you worked for what car or total film or edge any other non music reviewy (?) place then that'd be like, THE GOLDEN RULE.

like, i hate to bring it up again, glorious amiga power had the same personality-cult with it's writers as nme/mm did, but its motto was - DISSEMINATE ESSENTIAL INFORMATION; start with the facts and entertain-them-up. maybe thats why those guys have more solid careers now? i dunno.

its odd how music criticism has evolved on this weird branch. yr right, id far rather read about jesus rape than time change, and i've probably bought more records off the back of wild passionate writing like that than unbiased comparative analysis. but that's because the writers have been so skilled at making me empathise with them, not because theyve found a way to out hyperbole the last thing they wrote.

i think theres a line between objective criticism and pure ILOVE/HATETHIS splurge that music writers always fall around and its wildly dependant on who they are and who they're writing for.
anyway i think were sort of arguing the same point from opposite sides of the fence. yr wilson, i wont get to see yr face till the last episode.

i mean, i really liked this article cos right from the start he's pointing out that the main role of these legendary old nme guys was, above all else, to entertain. and be it thought or anger provoking or righteous or whatever, it was still entertainment; it was read for enjoyment, over criticism.

so he can write almost flippantly of swells changing his mind about what was good/bad, which is surely a significant flaw for any paid critic to have, yet its of little consequence cos that was part of his giant personality. the sames true for loads of those guys, they chose to be "tastemakers" and wrote this madly ENTERTAINING polemic instead of "this is good, buy it, this is bad, don't". they turned their works into art instead of criticism and i think thats whats these articles seem to be bemoaning the death of.

i mean, the whole point of working as a journalist / critic should be to report the facts in a manner so unbiased and accurate that yr audience is able to make up their own mind as to whether they'll enjoy the album/tour/whatever product. they make choices based on yr information and how good you are at getting it across to them dictates whether they'll trust you the next time.

swells and everett true and All Them Others made these personality cults to the extent that they became the central feature of whatever they were writing about. half the time it seemed they were more famous than their subject matter. how justified/worth it that was is a separate debate (i grew up in the nme/mm period he talks about, and regardless of their actual opinions they were always colourful and fun to read so id say totally. fuck you, northern uproar, you deserved it)
BUT i think its dangerous to call a death knell for music journalism cos less people listen to a bunch of ranty angry men than they used to, even if they were the best ranty angry men ever.
the boards here are full of illogical heartfelt and witty and passionate talk about things we love, and theres no I AM A TASTEMAKER egobolt cos theres so many of us. theres yr positive progress comment.

IMO alexei

ALL THIS IS BY KELLY NOT ME YEH? k thx xlex

if you watch the film yr talking about, you'd see that him being kicked out was necessary cos they were arguing all the time. and, one of the "plotlines" of the film is how 2 people start a band and clash over direction till one of them goes, so complaining that its publicy on film is silly cos thats the point.and yr comment about the title is like some wierd conspiracy theory that only you believe in. dont bring yr hatred to this funeral, man. whatever happened (it isnt going to be natural causes is it..), those guys were real close and i bet jeff is more cut up about it than you.

i so want to CLEAR THIS UP. the diaries i used to write were mike's idea and when i was doing them i'd send them to him and he'd annotate them and put in links and stuff. i stopped when he got sacked (the whys and howfores are NONE OF MY BUISINESS) because he's my friend and writing to DiS to find out if i could carry on, sending them to a different guy, seemed like a pretty lousy thing to do. has nothing to do with any imagined politics, k?
tis nice to see our name back on the left side of the page tho, aha.
i feel NOTHING BUT LOVE to everyone involved. thx to everyone for watching and not laughing at my awful edits
xlex

and left out the starries.

i thought you was cool man..

for th lack of career bands. more than britpop at least. when i first started, properly falling in love with bands, it was like there were rituals you had to take part in/invest time in. from sending the fancard to atherstone place and sitting through 6 shit videos on the chart show before the one you wanted, theres none of that now. type in band name, download discography, done.
record companies are business. blaming them for trying to maximise their profits during britpop is like shouting at monkeys for eating the bananas found in their cage. if it didn't happen then maybe we'd be a year or so off whereever we are now.
its kinda weird, in our band we get a fair few Industry People say variations on :if you guys were in this position 5/10 years ago, you could afford to buy cars and camden apartments. and generally we want strangle dems and see if they'll give us their cars then. but really, the internet and human nature means was always going to end like this.

god i so didnt mean to rant.

was great.......

you people don't deserve the vote!

after this week this maybe the last one. at least on this site. so thanks to mike for correcting my spelling and gramma and doing all the linky stuff. except for the topless picture, that was too much. and thanks everybody for saying nicer stuff than my a level english teacher ever did. it's been bare fun and i hope if i do it for some other site everyone finds it and reads it and we all live together on some island paradise.
x alexei

am i missing something here? like im all for sticking It to The Man, but mr diver et al are surely more important to the site than like, some little fucking advert.
this thread is exactly what i fucking hate about DiS. yeh everyone's been sacked but hey, at least its proper indie again.
gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhalexei

I'm sure he spells it differently every time just to make my life a misery...

naked japanese men and pie/hashcakes, that's all I'm saying.

Calum, no worries mate, you don't really look like a lesbian...

But... we got some gaaa-rate footage of naked japanese men who love to eat cake for ya when we get back!! wishing Danana were in japan.
a for jofo

yr soooo wrong about fight like apes.
in. my. opinion.

and calories (distophia - seb)
yayerzzzzzzz

exactly what he said applies to us. only, replace crew, with lea, and replace no blame for anyone with blame matt dice.
sorry if anyone was expecting us, we were quite looking forward to it as well..
x

half the bands didnt turn up because they werent paid their deposits like, MONTHS AGO.

used to be gods...

im not dissing yr skills. but yr facts in this case are backwards. x alexei

yip. in fact, we thanked them in our album sleeve cos they influenced us. for me that albums a 8/9. but im no music journalist...

playing that too. fans of surfing that we are. apparently we're on last, it'd be more helpful if i knew the day/stage tho i spose..

freaked out that im sitting on the same toilet that thurston moore once sat on.

of stuff at southern. the staff are the nicest people in the world and always come in and tell us stories about their bands, its great. theres a record in the back garden, buried by lee scratch perry, because he wanted it to grow more, true!
i heart southern
x

i totally meant to. yr fanzine is fucking ace. the life without buildings interview was great. whens the next one?
xlex

birmingham?

our friend wrote "why do yr bands always suck?" on that dudes guitar.
hello! tho
x alexei

pressure then...
xx

were not garnering ever so much love here.

um we met him he interviewed us he was a cock. i dont want to get into a debate about what songs should or shouldnt be on the radio but in no way whatsoever is he like, a music lover, hes a 3rd rate t4 clone presenter. said it and walking away.

1)yeh we had 2 7" out before this
2)no pressure for the album then
3)i would give this a 8. but im not bout to start arguing either way
4) thanks for all the kind words everyone, you know how much this means to us
4)stwerewolf, yr music list IS my record collection. am i ever bummed out. if you want to come see us again id guestlist you

x alexei f

1)yeh we had 2 7" out before this
2)no pressure for the album then
3)i would give this a 8. but im not bout to start arguing either way
4) thanks for all the kind words everyone, you know how much this means to us
4)stwerewolf, yr music list IS my record collection. am i ever bummed out. if you want to come see us again id guestlist you

x alexei f