TessieB

Absolutely...a lot of bands that get shouted out in manchester have great music
or a great look etc etc, but for me there isn't a band to touch the deodates for the melodies, they got the stage prescence and the show making qualities that a lot of bands dont deliver on too without descending into monkeyman dribbling toss. ...mark my words if they can catch a break they will do very well, IF they can catch a break..i mean i quite like air cav but still feel at times they are a poor mans arcade fire and so many bands I've seen are great up until the vocals come in. some have interesting voices but no melody to speak of and this i reckon more than anything is what is hampering bands...t

also i will be sure to check out the anti-scene at some point, shouild givethe deodates a shout, you may or may not like it but thats the way of the world!

i just hope that the night does not suffer as others have in the wake of manchesters
silliness...but if it can be made a real
alternative it could do well as i reckon there enough dissenting voices to make an impact....as long as the tunes are there it should be ok..tired of yorkshire pissing all over manchester for innovation and just plain great bands, its embarassing. cracks me up that the courteeners have been described as 'manchesters arctic monkeys'. we dont need a low grade rip off a great band, we have the original.

gives a tiny ray of hope that once we get out of manchesters inbred nonsense climate
that it is good see that bands get lauded
purely for music alone, once the fads pass
it is the music alone that counts...
no-one gives a shit about daffodils and daft quiffs now only the music.

So in short twisted wheel and the courteeners will not be as enduring in this way cos their tunes are not up to the hype despite what john says...and for fuck sake has anyone listened to goldblade? utter shite and not even purposefully shite so that its good. just shit. he has no platform in which to give his opinion. john robb is NOT the singular voice of manchester music. end of.

He namechecks the aftershow...he cant possibly have ever been on anight when there were no bigger named acts cos its dead. I was at the one where tigerpicks headlined and there were 10 people downstairs...if it wasnt for the indie night project in room 2 (where there were about 300 people) the night would have gone tits up, but still Robb bleats about the aftershow. ill tell you now its a farce, an egotisitical farce.

Which leads me to my next point that PR and image shaping points to only one element of manchester...it seems odd to me that the witty, poptastic stylings of the smiths is somehow overshadowed by the monkeys. The Smiths are for me, Manchesters best ever product. Nothing like it then and no-one can even rip them off now. not even mr fray despite what his lyrics say...hahah

my god this has gone up a notch...i think the sad truth is that no amount of samll grass roots scene is ever going to replace the top-level influence of a record
label, various pluggers, managers, booking agents and A & R. EJames, just going to have to ignore them cos they will be around for a while at this rate, and they clearly do it for more people than they dont. Its not the bands fault that people flock to to their shows and buy their records! no matter how shite you, me or any one else thinks they are.

No, I'm not really a fan of 'artpop shite' and have never been to club fandango. there is a certain amount of snobbish elitism that i dont care for.

Thing is, I love the work of John Cooper Clarke, think Oasis and the Stone Roses and the Happy Mondays made some of the greatest songs of all time....

What I dont need is some low-rent, Argos imitation watered down rip offs of these same bands. The very things that made the above bands innovative and exciting is just being rehashed by both of the bands Robb is talking about, but he is trying to make it seem like it they are not.

'take the mic out of the way we walk and talk' Fuck off Truth01, not all Mancs are monkey-walking gobshites like you.
I am fucking tired of the working classes being represented in music by bellends like you.

I am both working class and a Manc and damn proud of it but actually have the brain to move away from the fucking stereotypes you so keenly embrace.
All this 'im carnt speeelll propurley' angle is just another fucking PR stunt.

What gets my napper is not that you cant spell because you clearly can, its the ultra PR-savvy medidated 'im-a-northern-monkey-fuckwit-i-dont-got-an-education' stereotype that you play on.

You've got no soul, but goooooood luck to ya you fucking puppet.

Cos of MySpace et al people dont want/need to actually leave the house to check out a band anymore..you can just sit on your arse and click through twenty bands in an hour, its rubbish and MySpace can go fuck itself. yes its useful if you want to hear the bands but christ, time was you had to be a shithot live act to get recognition, now all you need is a myspace page and a mass adder and before you know it no one gives a fuck anymore...meh.

It has just lowered overall quality control so when 2000 bands all send 'come to this event' or 'buy this' the 2 great bands out of that 2000 get washed over.

I say get the fuck off our PCs (completely ironic as of this moment) and start watching live bands again. The shite will be found out and the decent stuff will rise up off live rep, not how many fucking plays they have had today.

another thing...whilst evreyone is whining there is the fact that Manchester's grass roots live scene is pap, people need to vote with their feet and get down to shows
but to be honest most people dont give a toss about a multitide of band nights...FNF, Buff Bang Pow et al all provide great lineups (FNF is even free for christs sake) but audience numbers are laughable.

There is a cult of cuntish indifference, you see it amongst bands who dont give a toss about any other bands, in the audience with the people who come to see their mates bands or whatever leaving as soon as they have played.
If this continues then no band will ever pick up new fans!

So it is bands like Twisted Wheel and The Courteeners who have the investment and influential backing that do well, people could fight back by not going to see them and by making up their own minds to support the other bands in their droves, but the fact is they dont.
There are a lot of bands and people just cant be arsed to weed out the diamonds from the shite, so they let the press do it for them.

Shame.

Truly the wonders of having grands upon grands of excellent, influential PR on your side, dont hate the bands for that its the way of the business...
Whilst we are chucking bands in no mention of The Deodates...ok technically from Salford but any band that can be described as 'wondrous' and
'life changing' as well as 'annoying' and 'could cause the world of indie to collapse' is worth a listen! Rather than drifiting in a 'not-really-arsed-kinda-way'

Just a thought!

xxx