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Will expect a more comprehensive reissue in five or ten years time then. As far as I know, there isn't a wealth of unreleased material floating around, but if any album deserved the full Deluxxe box treatment, it'd be ROC. Complete alternate mix, out-takes, session versions, B-sides, DVD-Audio, year 2000 live shows... that stuff is money in the bank. They'll cash it in eventually!

Bonus tracks, live stuff, anything? Did the band go back to the original masters and remix them to their satisfaction as they once said they would? It's common knowledge how much they hated the Andy Wallace mix, so to reissue them untouched would seem fairly pointless...

Let's just leave it this way

You don't, actually. Radiohead have done plenty wrong in my book. But of course, you don't know that, because we've never met, or spoken about Radiohead.

Good to come back to a review to see people disagree with it. Glad people are getting something out of the album. That said, doubtful any of the naysayers have listened to this record as often as I had by the time this review was written. My opinion, and let's face it, in essence that's all reviews are, opinion backed up by analysis and expression, was that this album wouldn't stand up to long term plays. The highlights are great, but there is a lot of filler on this record. That's still my position, it hasn't belatedly set my world on fire.

Yes, I do like Wild Flag, and that record is excellent. But I've listened to and written about all kinds of music over the last twenty years, and I believe in what I write. If you think that I'm wrong because I'm in error, fine. But if you think that because I like one thing that you dislike, or you'd like to stereotype me as a Weezer shade wearing, man bag toting Radiohead fanboy, frankly, you need to pull your shit together.

Heh, they released a video for 'The Kids Were Wrong'
http://vimeo.com/37613730

Hung around to give it a listen, which I haven't done for a while. Great record, definitely getting bought soon.

Excessively long? Probably. Nothing from 'The Cure' either, and the tracks from 4.13 Dream do really seem superfluous too.

In terms of performance it doesn't match Show, and the version of Boys Don't Cry is very much delivered on impulse power, but there is a certain charm to the Bestival set that makes it worth picking up. Review is bang on, then.

The end of the Britpop cycle really kicked them in the teeth over here. Glad to know they're still doing well abroad though.

Much obliged.

But got beaten to the punch. Pah!
They've equalled, but never bettered this album.

Especially as DiS is on a looking back over 11 years kick. The beauty of hindsight is that it is a different perspective.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on Kid A, and I don't think the original review was *wrong*. It is just another opinion in a sea of opinions, as this re-evaluation is. If you don't like it or any other review, there are a million others out there, some of which will agree with you entirely.

What I think is interesting about Kid A was that it was the last Radiohead album that really took a kicking before critical consensus formed. A lot of people, including myself, expected another OK Computer and there's a very definite sense that people were let down by this record in reviews. I remember people saying at the time that they 'used to like Radiohead, but they've gone all weird'. 11 years on, their experimentation sounds a lot less frightening. But the original view on this album was written before the worldview on this album locked it down as a 'Classic'. It's to the credit of a fledgling DiS that the original reviewer was allowed to speak their mind and mark accordingly, and it also speaks to the maturity of the criticism DiS issues now to really have a good hard look at what most people on the boards seem to think of as a 'bad' review.

Nice details. Like that his cat talks to him.

No real need to buy the box set for it then. Grand. Good review, got a genuine snicker at this end from the last paragraph.

Great work.

You can count me IN

Thought my appreciation was expressed through air-punching.

Look at the cover with blue/red 3D glasses, and alternate closing your eyes. Fun times.

But hey, I got a laugh out of it

They weren't on top form, to be sure, but got plenty of fanboy love for 69 Guns and had a decent comedy moment with the impromtu Bon Jovi cover. Wouldn't say Used for Glue is arguably their hit, either. It IS their biggest hit, signature tune whatever, and they've always closed with it when I've seen them. Trail of Dead were the winners on the night, but took quite a while to get going in comparison.

Asobi Seksu were very good too, shame they played to a half empty room. Think the early doors took a few people by surprise. New material held up well live, I thought.

Sonic Boom is probably the best record store I've ever been to.

That version of Boot Camp is tip top, but 6 is a fair mark.

Think the album falls down for the same reason Live on Two Legs fell down, namely that live compilations can't capture the spirit of a live performance in the same way a complete show can.

I forgot to stick a number at the end. It should have been a 7!

IT's another half and half album from them. Invitation Songs is theri best so far I reckon, but they've failed to match it. Wouldn't put it past them though.

Deliberately didn't read any reviews of this, so I know I'm in the clear plagiarism wise. Talk about the same zeitgeist, reference the same bands, I guess.

"Not quite as commercial".

They're aping the Stones on half of this album. They were the most successful band in the world around then, weren't they? This is definitely softer than The Stooges, and really lacks focused intent to cause damage the way they did. A step above the Stooges? A mis-step after, more like.

"As for the sound: lo-fi ahead of its time."
Not any more! This new release sounds crisp and fresh. The reason it was as you describe it there was due to a rushed mix. They can't hide behind that excuse now. Also, that cuts off your statement about it being a 'complete masterpiece'.

Consolation Prizes? Really? Ahead of Some Weird Sin, Wild America, Sixteen... It isn't even the best song on Kill City!

"[Iggy] completely hated it... That's too bad as it was easily him at his very best."
With a rushed recording, whacked out on prescription pharmaceuticals, playing with what amounted to a pick up band of session musicians, on an album plumped up with instrumentals, badly mixed, originally released to far less forgiving reviews than this... no surprise he hated it.

It's a miracle it sounds as good as it does during the highlights. At least you get genuine sense of a man on the edge to add a bit of drama. Don't get me wrong, I can see how this album could stick after years and years of plays, but to say that this is better than the next two albums, or the three that proceeded it is just crazy talk though, surely?

Watched 30STM at Sziget this year with a relatively open mind. Leto was a bad joke, a parody of a rock frontman onstage. He barely sang a complete line all night, expected the crowd to do the job for him. He later confided to a nice girl working for The Star that he 'should have sung more'. It was a utter car crash. So everyone is standing around saying what a bad show it was, and the photographers are complaining because they've been forced to shoot from the mixing desk, like they did at Download. Heaven forfuckingfend that there is a bad angle that can't be fixed in Photoshop.

As the VIP begins to clear there is a brutal thunderstorm from out of nowhere, it starts pissing down, and a huge gust of wind knocks over all the giant metal parasols in the VIP section. We're at the end of the bar, and they land a few feet away. Health and safety? We hotfoot it to the van.

But we can't get in the van. We can't even get near the van. Jared Leto's ten strong security team is securing all exits and entrances, and he's sitting in our van. After nipping his pointy little blonde head around the corner to see us waiting, he is driven off in our van, and we wait two hours in a partially exposed lounge for another van to show up. It continues to piss down for two hours. Everyone agrees Jared Leto is an utter cunt.

With all the B-sides of the era that didn't make Sci Fi Lullabies and the 17 minute version of the Asphalt World.

Apparently they've uncovered forgotten material during the remastering process. Exciting times to be a Suede nerd.

Spill!

Don't even know where I got hills from. It'll get fixed shortly.

My brain hurts.

is very, very bad. Although it does work through a Gamecube Gameboy Colour adaptor, which is useful. </nerd>

Oh, Chino!

Tickets on sale Friday. Dirty O2 blue room presale today at 9am

Can't see it coming in under for £100 here. They might just switch the $ sign for £ sign.

It's amazing how much of a toss Guardian readers give about this band. Everyone who actually went to the show seems to be giving it the 4/5 treatment though.

Who knows, maybe there's an album and tour in the offing after Baratt's solo jaunt.

Bane of my life.

Manilow is a lost classic if ever there was one. Suprised the re-issue didn't have the tracks from the cover's 7" in the bonus material, but they've already been re-issued I guess.

There's a definite Chameleons influence on this record.
Good spot!

of Shearwater?

Oh right, he was in Angels of Light too. He gets around, that Thor.

A lot. A downright wad of cash.

MA cultural studies for my liking, hard to read if you're not very interested in the band. A warm up paragraph and a half for context is tough work, especially when you're popping back and forth to watch videos. On the plus side, I found out about Fallen Angels, and I want to see it now.

"There is a word for the globalised nowhere place SoSB left behind with Alpinisms , coined by curator Nicolas Bourriaud, and that's altermodernity".

Well, we've all learned something today ;)
Also, youtube is cool and all, but some of those links will drop out within a year or so.

Opinion on the album though? Spot-on. Couple of decent flashes but a bit of a chugger compared to light touch of their first album.
Writing about the music? Great!

Shame about the record, eh?

Might have to seek out the album now.

is, ahem, in the wild.

Have heard the streaming set, can't say they're more essential than the rest, but at least they sound as though they're having fun in the studio.

at www.thecuredisintegration.com . It's a better version of the Disintegration set, and well worth a listen.

You know what would have made this edition truly deluxe? Dropping the demos from the second disc and switching it up for a 5.1 mix DVD of the original album. It was talked about, but didn't happen. Maybe with Wish, eh?

An eye opener.

Funny how VU reformation talk comes up when there are a few John Cale seats left to sell at the RFH...

I think a lot of people will want to read this.

The guitar question would have been a hard one to approach. To be fair he seems to get ribbed about it at every UK show, might have done some good to talk about it openly.

2001 was a good year for albums. Interesting best of the year list too. Sparklehorse should have been much higher than that though, eh? That album is MINT.