Ironically, considering how they drop precisely zero quotables over Angles, Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip are more than capable of coming up with stuff worthy of slapping some quotation marks around in interviews. Indeed, in a Metro article last month one of them said, with straight face, “Sage Francis opened my mind to what hip-hop can be”. Think about that for a second. It’s an amazing statement, so roll it around your tongue for a while. Sage Francis is arguably the first recording artist ever to totally desert the idea of a black audience when recording hip-hop, plugging his stuff to the alt-rock circuit via Epitaph. To DLSvsSP, this represents a brave new dawn for the genre. Some would call that racially awkward. All I’m gonna say is that these two guys make rap music like they’ve been forced into recording it at gunpoint.
They obviously don’t care for, or care to engage with, rap music. Most people are gonna be aware of them solely from their novelty hit of last year, ‘Thou Shalt Always Kill’, a list song that was presumably meant to serve as John Cooper Clarke for the MySpace generation, but sounded more like Barenaked Ladies for the Old Blue Last crowd.
It was a bad song. Not solely through its sound, which was forgettable early 2000s hipster-hop, but the lyrical content. There was something sinister about a dude that looks like forgotten ‘90s comedian Phil Kay and his roly-poly chum holding forth on what urban music must do in order to meet with their approval. Two guys from the Essex commuter belt deciding that they have the right to ordain what does and does fall under the jurisdiction of the ‘four elements of hip-hop’. The fact that rappers are obviously socially irresponsible for shouting out guns, but Johnny Cash, who cocked more nines in his back catalogue than anyone with the possible exception of Bushwick Bill, is apparently beyond reproach. The fact that there are, apparently, people over the age of 15 who actively enjoy listening to The Doors. It’s a song with a lot to take in, and all of it was reactionary garbage.
And they even carry on their weird-ass Jurassic 5-fan-from-1998 views on rap onto the rest of their recordings. ‘Rapper’s Battle’, between a beat that sounds like an Atari 2600 with gastric flu and an outro that reminds you why Kid 606 shot himself dead in 2004, runs exactly the same gamut of “I am intelligent suburban rapper, why can’t the proletariat rest of hip-hop elevate themselves to my level?”. It’s awkward, it’s ugly, and you get the feeling there are greater political forces at play here.
They’re not bigots though. They just suck ass. Trying to find a good idea on this album is a challenge. Trying to find a good idea executed well is akin to finding a Suicide Girl that wasn’t touched by her uncle as a child. Maybe to you, an extended metaphor comparing doomed love to the career trajectory of an old-school comedian is something that should exist outside of the confines of a freshman creative writing seminar. If so, congratulations, you can bump ‘Tommy C’ (sadly about Cooper, not Cannon) all day long. The rest of us are just going to need Solpadeine to get beyond one-third of this record.
It’d be nice to think the whole endeavour is just a big old satire. It’d be nice to think that the opening track, ‘The Beat That My Heart Skipped’ (great movie, Blockbuster that shit ASAP), with its embarrassing bitching about “soulless music, artless lyrics” is some clever parody of student union poetry slams. It’d be nice to think that Scroobius Pip’s inability to say any more than three syllables in a row without sounding like he’s just run up thirteen flights of stairs is a pastiche of clueless white-boy rappers who have no idea of what hip-hop is, and think it’s just a medium to crowbar their creepy worldview into song, regardless of melody or rhythm. It’d be nice to think that the lines “When I get back from hell again / I’m gonna be so elegant” is said by someone with a glint in his eye. It’s not. These guys mean absolutely everything they say and do on this record.
Being as there are types of carcinogen that people enjoy more than Akira the Don albums, and that nobody can remember Jon The Whiteboy Rapper without recourse to months of suppressed memory therapy, it’s hard to know what Lex – who put out ‘Thou…’ – were thinking of signing two guys who have gotten lost on the way from the student union poetry slam. Ideologically, this is the worst album of the year. Musically, it’s even poorer. Call it the first album in history that’s catered specifically for the dudes who spend their days posting to the BBC’s ‘Have Your Say’ forums. Then forget it ever existed.
oh dear.
dom passantino, your shipment of EPIC FAIL has been delivered. ditto for the "old musical journalists lol" article or whatever the hell that article was supposed to be about...
This is an awful review
I really like this review
Really, really like it. Even more so because it recommends one of my favourite films. Good work, DiS
I think the review is fair
The Beat That My Heart Skipped really is worth watching, too.
Putting aside my thoughts on this album, such as they are
I would just like to commend the use of the phrase "Trying to find a good idea executed well is akin to finding a Suicide Girl that wasn’t touched by her uncle as a child."
I like it.
Huh
well I like it quite a bit...
I do not regret my purchase!
I liked the album
but it is up its own arse quite alot.
erm...
Not really sure i'm comfortable with paedophilia jokes being used in this context. I guess you thought it'd make you sound really edgy and cool to shoehorn that in there, but firstly, you're not Chris Morris, and secondly, ITS A MUSIC REVIEW.
Not to mention it was just a very clumsy metaphor anyway.
My main problem with this review besides that though is your key argument against DLS&SP seems to be their smug and arrogant attitude, yet this review reeks of arrogance and a misplaced sense of superiority.
You are enormously condescending towards not just the artist in question, and the various others you mention, but also the readership of this site. "Maybe to you, an extended metaphor comparing doomed love to the career trajectory of an old-school comedian is something that should exist outside of the confines of a freshman creative writing seminar."
Why write that?!
This review sucks.
I agree the review sucks…
…but why use "it's a music review" like that can't be a reasonable basis for doing something creative? Should all music reviews be really dull and unadventurous? Don't you think someone once said to Chris Morris, "It's just a comedy programme!"
AmishHipster...
I like your username
This reads like an akward review.
I don't like Dom liked writing it, never mind listening to it.
I have not heard the album so I can't pass judgement but a 1/10 might be harsh. We shall see I suppose.
Surely if no one wanted to review this
it didn't have to be covered - why write a review for the sole purpose of slagging off an artist and being a total wanker with an overflexed vocabulary?
no no no
Funny review, in places, but seriously, what the fuck? There are a couple of clunky moments on the record, granted, but on the whole, it's brilliant, articulate and full of cracking ideas. worth the price for Magician's Assistant alone.
Plus didn't this come out about two weeks ago?
THIS ALBUM IS GOOD!!!!
i agree with morningtheft
they do have a genuine love of hip-hop e.g. Rakim
and the album is littered with witty lyrics and observations on modern society and the Channel U crowd that isn't racist, just observant.
This album should be at least a 7/10
i blame the left-wing press...
"Kid 606 shot himself dead in 2004..."
What?
^
i thought this too. Uhm...what?
I dislike that single more than words can say
anyone else think
the point about Sage Francis is ridiculous?
I mean, what makes you think he has disregarded a black audience? He hasn't really - maybe he just hasn't followed some predetermined path that DiS think every rapper should take that doesn't mean he hates/disregards an audience.
And why should hip-hop (or ANY MUSIC) be about any one audience.
And he doesn't 'plug his stuff on the alt rock circuit' really if you pay attention, he's pretty heavily in with Anticon and tours with hip-hop artists all the time.
All time weakest point in a review.
This is an awful review
You obviously don't have a broad enough mind to accept what DLSvsSP are trying to do. They deserve much higher than a 1/10. DLSvsSP's album, and even "No Commercial Breaks" which was Pip's self pressed album, has had a lot of work put into it so even if you are going to rip the shit out of them, they deserve more than a 1/10 just for effort and for having the bollocks go out there and do what they wanted to do, and possibly more.
Get off your high horse and sort it out. A small child could have written a better review.
I sympathise and have given my view below.
But there's a lot of nonsense in what you say. Many bands make an effort and have the bollocks to go out there and do what they want to do but that doesn't give them any entitlement to a good review unless the music's actually good.
I mean I've not heard this album and suspect many would give it more than 1/10 but it's utter nonsense to suggest bands deserve points for just making an effort.
i'm so glad
that DiS got Passantino to review this
It annoys me to think that
this review will crop up on Metacritic or Wikipedia, and more than likely deter people from buying what is actually quite a solid record.
That is a shame.
You're only 16
you'll learn.
I quite like this record
Oh well must not be dis cool...
& what is the Ideologic point???? I do not understand what your trying to say there..
DP gave Los Campesinos 9/10........
I think we can safely disregard his opinion.
Farrrr too subjective review
It would be have been tolerable, however, if the peadophile and Kid 606 (I really don't understand that one) jokes were not included
^5 Alex.
whats
the point to this review? - "they suck ass"? - nice
got a lot of time for these two performers - did well to get their profile raised last year, mainly off their own backs, after "thou shalt" sparked interest.
i hope the album does well - their songs are strong enough.
take off your uber-indie thick black rimmed spectacles before you write next time mr reviewer
i find it hard to take a review seriously
that includes the words 'they suck ass'. even in a sarcastic sense.
brilliant
point :D
You sir,
are a genius.
You sir,
are a genius.
He what?
Gave Los Campesinos 9/10? Crikey. That's just indefensible. How could anyone who thinks DLSvsSP resemble a "student union poetry slam" also like a band who have a song called "Knee Deep at ATP"?
Having seen the writer and the title
I knew it'd be 1/10. Haven't read it but look forward to reading it later.
I don't mind the album btw, Dom's reviews are always good to read.
And if anyone has been upset by this review
then they have learnt a valuable lesson in life.
Don't pay attention to reviews. Any attention. Reviews are pointless. Reviewers are pointless.
Still - DvsVcSPD are pretty annoying.
I think DlS and SP are every bit as apalling as the rating suggests they are
However the review makes my skin crawl. It reeks of self important, mildly racist, inverse snobbery. Quite the worst thing I've actually bothered reading from beginning to end for some time.
^this
toss album made almost likeable by missing-the-point-completely-and-flying-out-of-asrse-mouth-at-tangent terrible review.
mm
I agree the music isn't great.
What was the point of this review exactly?
I mean that seriously. I don't especially care for Dan Le Sac or Scroobius Pip but what was the point?
By which I mean a review is obviously primarily a guide to someone who might buy an album as to whether it's an album they should buy.
I mean Thou Shalt Not Kill was a real marmite song and obviously someone who disliked it wouldn't want to buy the album. As such this review serves no function - it speaks only to people who wouldn't want to buy it and obviously gives no information whatsoever to someone considering buying it as obviously they wouldn't hate the act as much as you do.
Don't get me wrong - your entitled to your opinion and that's fair enough. But I'm sure this act have had a good press from some DiSers. So what precisely made you want to take the time to spend three quarters of an hour listening to (and however much time writing a review for) an album you were always going to hate. And wouldn't it be far more informative to people who would consider buying the album to get an impression of how good it is from someone with a "neutral but would like it if it were good" perspective.
As it stands there's no objectivity, no information and this review, whilst admittedly mildly amusing, is just a waste of everyone's time.
oh come on tgwnu
i expect better from you
it seems like i have to defend Passantino in every one of his articles (not gay4him, honest), but you've kind of missed the point of the article. He doesn't provide "shud i buy or no?" reviews, and nor should he (or anyone else) be expected to. This is a broad discourse on a quite ambiguous topic (indie rap) attached to a key case study, and one handled in quite a reasonable fashion ("mildy racist, inverse snobbery" my left tit)
btw, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is perhaps the wackest thing i've ever heard. One can only imagine the rest of the record..
I expect better from you.
This isn't an article. It's a review. If this was an opinion column I'd completely agree with you but, as it is a review of a CD then writing a broad discourse on indie rap is basically failing to do what he's paid/volunteered to do.
Sorry - originally was gonna put inverted commas on title
and short refutal of why anyone should expect anythigng better from me. Then didn't but kept subject title that makes no sense...
paid?
lol.
I'm
a little bit gay for him...
Only a little though
Mostly i just have the utmost respect for his written output.
I don't get
the anger about the review, the band are SHIT, real SHIT, get over it.
ps. a review, that doesn't have the same opinion as you? Heaven no, what ever next? Get over it.
Missed the point.
The problem is, Mr Reviewer, that you just don't GET it. Its not your fault. Now just pipe down a little and let others enjoy what is essentially an undemanding, fun record.
bahhhhh. this is
why i go to pitchfork. reviewers like this aren't reviewers, does anything really deserve a 1/10? This review was like a joke.
I like the way these comments have gone
First the regulars pick the bones out of the review wording without mentioning the quality of the record, and THEN the scenesters arrive like the Light Brigade.
which
are you?
fule
seems like Dom has some damn fixed ideas about hip hop. What is and what isn't. And it seems that that kind of super inverted snobbery goes utterly against what hip hop was supposed to be.
Playful, adventurous, different. And a means of expression.
And as for the HILARIOUS wrongendofthestickisms when it comes to Sage. DO NOT get me started. Oh I have already.
Sage is a universe closer to true hip hop than the knocked off huh-yeah gruntings of Jay-Z, or the depressing thickaspigshit mumblings of most of the allegedly "real" black hip hop that comes from the states.
And if you buy into the videos of all hip hop since Dre, then you might think that shit is real/dope/authentic and strictly for black folks but sincerely, you are a twat. It is whitebread dumbshits from the midwest that buy most hip hop and it is agressively marketed to them by the major labels.
To think otherwise is hilarious.
If you think Sage has deserted the idea of a black audience, you are also wronger than I have patience to explain.
Maybe it just seems to you that by adding an intellectual level and returning to the idea of there being a point to hip hop, he is a world away from the stoned-to-oblivion suckmydick head nodding depressingly lowbrow hip hop mass culture.
Well he is. And all power to him.
^5
for knowing your shit.
Pitchfork's worse
with it's decimal rating and each review sounding like it's been bathed in a thesaurus.
Pitchfork gave this record
0.2 out of 10...
It's interesting
that the review makes a point of the contradiction in Thou Shalt Not Kill. I'm not particularly keen on the song, yet I thought the contradictions were intentional and the song was supposed to be about not believing whatever you hear without question.
Exactly
The way he goes through the whole song telling someone what to do, before the penultimate line: Thou shalt think for yourself.....
Oooopsie somebody missed the point there, ay Dom!?
Blimey
Le Sac must have shagged his Missus.
Having said that, the album disappointed me so much I took it back to the shop.
just a wee point...
"forgotten nineties comedian phil kay" is alive and well. going to see him at the knockengorroch festilval this weekend. man's a naked legend
i stopped reading in the first paragraph
scroobius pip probably listened to Sage before he was on epitaph.
oh dear
This review read a bit like a 6th former trying to sound 'right on', but ends up sounding a bit silly.
From what i've heard there are some decent tunes and lyrics, and a few duff ones.
The book of right on
?
I like how
Dom deems himself worthy to pass opinion on this record, but isn't happy that two blokes from the 'Essex commuter belt' have an opinion on what is and isn't in the four elements.
Umm.....presumably if you're not a white middle class boy from the Essex commuter belt, Dom, then you've no right to comment on this record!?
I think it's OK. There are tracks I skip and tracks I love, but this review is pretty ridiculous.
Nail on head
I've not heard anything other than THAT single and I will try to avoid their music forever as a result, but that's beside the point.
The reference to the Essex commuter belt is the most ignorant thing I've ever read in a review on this site. I doubt these blokes do have "the right to ordain what does and does (sic) fall under the jurisdiction of the ‘four elements of hip-hop’", but surely this is down to who they are/what they know, rather than where they're from? Or do you have to be from London/New York to have a valid opinion on music?
Ridiculous.
Yes,
I didn't realise your geographical location was relevant to your views on anything. Dismissing someone's work because you think it's bad is one thing, but criticising them because you don't like where they're from or what they look like is idiotic, frankly.
Joe - www.anewbandaday.com
That is just rude
and not even a review
all I know is...
Thou Shall Not Kill is fucking atrocious so a 1/10 is not a surprise.
Superb review
IMO. I've not heard this album but I do like some of the tunes on the last one, inc. "Thou Shalt Kill". That aside I think this is a really good & thoughtful review. Kudos.
fool
.
Interesting review
Thanks.
I haven't read the review or heard the album
But I have certainly enjoyed the comments for a variety of reasons. Kudos to you all.
9/10
Ok...
I would like to make a point about this review in relation to my own experiences of this pairs music. For what its worth.
Got free tickets to see them in Glasgow recently and, as with it seems so many of my friends of my age these days, am finding myself swiftly becoming one of the harshest critics of new music, finding almost all of it either too achingly fashionable, outright redundant/done before or simply so willfully obscure as to defy interest.
First spotted Mr. Pip himself standing appreciatively at the back of the crowd watching both support bands with a genuine appreciation and giving them rapturous applause. In fact it was this applause that made me notice him as he was standing right behind me.
He handled the drunken cloyings of numerous loud Glaswegian fans without a hint of annoyance and seemed genuinely appreciative that anyone would take the time to speak to him in even the faintest of positive manners. This in itself is fairly rare, but what I experienced when they took to the stage is even rarer.
I saw a genuinely passionate, skillful, and in places even moving performance. Their stage rapport showed consistently two guys having the times of their lives doing something they believed in, for better or worse, and who the hell is anyone to second guess their credentials and how they got to the point of making the music they do anyway? If you unravel that particular ball of twine for most "classic" bands and review them negatively on that basis you will be missing the point of some of the best music produced in the world for reasons that amount to little more than arrogance and elitist spite.
My problem is not that this reviewer does not like the album, everyone entitled to their own opinion and all that. I love it, but personally if I wanted to tear them to shreds I could criticise the odd clunky lyric, a pervasive element of arrogance (but what band who doesnt genuinely believe what they are doing is worthwhile wont come off as arrogant when caught by the wrong person on the wrong day? Especially by someone with their own misguided preconceptions and pigheaded prejudices before they have touched a keyboard) and Dan Le Sacs particular fondness of certain already over-used and slightly lazy beat effects (Suspect Ableton Live is to blame there), but to do this would be to miss the point and miss the ability of a whole to transcend the sum of its parts.
My problem with this review, (ignoring so many of the things already picked up on by other comments here) is that to build up such a ludicrously overblown steam of negativity (one so big as to dwarf my own truly horrific level of cynical hatred for most new music these days) as to call it not one of, but THE worst album of the year so far (don't even get me started on nominees for that particular list!) in any sense defies belief. Having seen the "glint in the eye" this reviewer missed on stage in front of my own eyes, I can only put this review down to extreme arrogance, a desire to be controversial for the sake of it or simple good old fashioned idiocy.
1/10? I may as well start reading fucking youtube comments for insightful and educated commentary.