Adventures in the mosh pit OR How to get sued for not having a photo pass
Ever been in the photo-pit? Pretty good, yeah? Well, how about for your favourite live-band ever and arguably the best live-band on the planet, Mogwai? 2,000 people right behind you in the reddish darkness, and in tiers rising 50 feet up; all these eager faces radiating anticipation verging on the pre-coital, and their energy somehow beamed through you, even before the noise starts that makes it literally hard to focus. Not the camera – your eyes, I mean; as in, the vitreous humour of your eyeballs is, like, quaking. After this, I guess Karma had it in for me (not actual "karma" – more like the My Name Is Earl kind of karma). See, the following night, I had the MOST UN-ROCK'N'ROLL EXPERIENCE EVER.
THE BAND (let's call them this for the sake of legal ease) were good, of course. Maybe they were great. I get vicarious pleasure from seeing the aficionados when a gig trips over into an 'event'. There were people who won't be offended if I said they looked like Tank Girl, and plenty of others who just re-discovered the dressing-up box in the loft. For my own part, I bought a gorgeously hand-crafted cassette tape, and plotted an article in my head about DIY aesthetics and the general aceness of packaging that IS as important as the content.
For the record: I didn't have a press-pass, or a photo-pass, for this gig. I went along of my own free will, with my own desperately-horded cash. "I'll write a review," I thought, "this band made my 14-month-old nephew smile, which is good because I'm worried about him being exposed to Abba." I got some great pictures of the singers, too, looking like a mediaeval carnival. Then, one of the venue staff asked me to "Step this way…."
This is when I met A Representative of the Band. "Another camera for you," he said to the girl on the front-desk. Before submitting the offending item for complete erasure, I explained that he'd be depriving the quintet of a review in a prominent music website whose demographic made such a snub foolish, and counter-productive. I offered to contact head office, or speak to the appropriate PR, whilst Ceasing & Desisting for the time being. I used none of these words, but all of the sense. I'm compelled to write like this, though, because of the legalese that cascaded from the guy's mouth like excrement from a coprophiliac in the throes of violent emission: "THE ARTISTES have stated that they will sue any website on which unauthorized pictures of them appear."
Wow. That's punk rock. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, and assume that the paraphrase omits "The management of…THE AFOREMENTIONED CLIENT, et cetera." I'll also speculate that this most idiosyncratic of bands – renowned for challenging normative sexuality – personally took pity on someone clinically obese, and suffering through a bad-hair life, when they authorized him to act as their mouthpiece. I know that I'd have struggled to do so, being a lesser person, on the grounds that someone actually has a choice about wearing a ponytail and goatee (unlike this guy's scalp condition, which would make anyone irritable); plus, central obesity in men before middle-age is caused by poor diet and excess alcohol consumption 99% of the time, so – y'know – I'm not being mean or libellous when I describe him thus (I didn't see a Medic-Alert bracelet, either, to suggest diabetes or hypothyroidism). Basically, there were a lot of signs that this was someone lacking in self-respect.
Anyhow, I missed all of three minutes, and returned – a little more reflective – to my place by the NO STAGE-DIVING sign (Party on, guys!). I contemplated calling the guard, and pointing out the cameras in use, deeper in the moshpit. I pondered the anachronism of policing ones image in the era of MyFaceSter. I remembered Don De Lillo on "The Most Photographed Barn in America", and how nobody sees the barn. I consulted some music industry experts, telephonically, who expressed dismay & concern about all the LIES, BUREAUCRACY, and UN-ROCK'N'ROLLNESS. Mostly, I was pleased that my friends were the ones dancing at the back. I learned my lesson (never do nuffin' for no-one, unless you're prepared to jump through hoops, too). I got my limited copy of THE ALBUM. Still… this would never have happened to Steve Gullick or Nick Kent.
They'd just have got punched.
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Whos the band?
My guess is CSS. They're a five piece now (I think), they look like they've raided the dressing up box and they'd make a small child smile.
good read
reminded me of the sunday time music features for some reason!
^ beat me to it
right?
Top article this
*scans listings for who was playing in London the day after Mogwai*
Makes me angry
Name em!
ACE, ACE, ACE...
Fantastic article, that was a brilliant read - more like this please.
I was thinking maybe of montreal
but that sounds very out of place for bryan poole's lot, coz he's apparently really pro-taping so I can't see there group being anti photos.
wow I am gob smacked by this.
the world is turning into a bureaucratic bullshit quagmire.
Agreed, the guy concerned was acting like a wanker
but do you really need to lay into him for his appearance? Is the fact that he's fat really anything to do with him confiscating your camera?
Maybe it doesn't mean he's "lacking in self-respect", maybe it means that he's worried about other stuff than what he looks like.
I kind of think it is up to a band to have a photo policy
so fair do's, I also think gigs would be infinately better if cameras were banned. It definately wasnt of montreal because they played long before mogwai.
^gig-addy gig-addy..
sorry.
/\agreed/\
with both of these
Christ, it is as well
They played ULU the night after Mogwai at the Apollo.
And now I get sued for defamation.
is this a clue?
"Ceasing & Desisting"
Ever been in the photo-pit? Yes, plenty of them.
"I explained that he'd be depriving the quintet of a review in a prominent music website whose demographic made such a snub foolish, and counter-productive". Call me old fashioned but how does not being allowed to take a camera into a venue hinder your ability to write a review?
Why is it that everyone thinks that having a ticket and owning a camera means that you suddenly have a right to take photos of a gig and be able to get the full web 2.0 experience? Some venues are fine, some aren't. And it's been that way for a very long time so either this is (a) your first gig; or (b) you've never read the back of any gig ticket you've ever bought.
It probably wouldn't have happened to Steve Gullick because if he knew he needed a photo pass he would have organised one and it probably didn't happen to Nick Kent because he's a writer.
MOST UN-ROCK'N'ROLL EXPERIENCE EVER? Have you ever read your own writing?
Nah, nothing defamatory about it.
If it's true.
This was supposed to go somewhere else, right?
Not be an actual feature on the website, right?
Because it's mostly just a whingy 'photographer' laying into some bloke doing who was doing his job while also being a bit fat apparently. What a great read. Jeeeeez.
I'd prefer a new rule at gigs
Let everyone take as many photos as they like.
For the first three songs. Then put the bloody things down.
As I once said on the forum of a particular band (Young Knives, if we're naming names, and after all it's not their fault): "remember folks, the 48th, 49th and 50th pictures you took last night will look the same as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd". On occasions (such as this one), where it's a small venue and rammed out, the option of moving if someone's got an elbow in your face for the entire gig because they're sticking their camera in the air constantly is hardly an option at all. Unless you want to move back to somewhere where you can't see much, or shove sideways and block some poor bugger's view. There are people who photograph for an entire gig and it occurs to me that they spent none of the gig whatsoever, like, enjoying it.
Erm, this doesn't entirely relate to the above, apart from the suggestion of a "three songs then stop" policy, but it's been bugging me for ages and this seemed as good a place as any to spill my brains...
you didn't have a photopass
tried to act as though you somehow didn't need one because of your fabulous connections then throw a ranting tantrum on here about it. I photograph legitimately at concerts and if I don't get a pass I don't go along and claim to somehow be entitled to shoot because I know such and such. Grow up
the couldn't
sue you I don't think.
You can only sue someone for a breach of a duty of care or breach of contract (generally speaking) and for damages/losses sustained as a result of that breach. You don't have a contract with them and don't owe them a duty of care and they won't have suffered any damages or losses as a result of you publishing the photos on a website, so they would fail. They might threaten to do it but they wouldn't actually go through with it cos it has no chance of success.
I was mightily mistreated at a DiS covered alldayer last year
Didn't think it was the pro thing to do by letting off steam with a rant and then calling it an article.
yawn.
get a press pass, take pics. no pass no pics.
what's your piont? bands aren't very rock n' roll, anymore? no shit. neither where you though, yiu just did what you where told and then wrote a little stiry on the web. and you don't name anyone.
wuss.
well said...
sir.
this is why nothing on the internet
will ever be regarded as pro
Speaking of reading what you write
Whereas most music photographers will talk in clichés about endeavouring to capture “The Moment” – which generally relates to tired rock-star action poses – Justin’s photography seeks something closer to “The Anti-Moment”; an instance of simple elegance and breathtaking beauty, a single, fleeting point in time where the subject is caught in a period of stillness and reflection, isolated from the audience and the stage.
Alexander Tudor
Your photos don't accompany your Mogwai review.. why?
Even if you had parted with your hard-earned...
You are still a guest of the venue and must abide by their rules when asked.
If a photo-pass is required, then you must obtain one to take pictures... end of story.
"never do nuffin' for no-one, unless you're prepared to jump through hoops, too"
The hoops are there for a reason. Please learn to jump through them with minimum fuss.
"plus, central obesity in men before middle-age is caused by poor diet and excess alcohol consumption 99% of the time, so – y'know – I'm not being mean or libellous when I describe him thus (I didn't see a Medic-Alert bracelet, either, to suggest diabetes or hypothyroidism)"
Being Diabetic myself (I don't wear one of those crappy bracelets either) I'd appreciate it if you would shut the fuck up. No obesity to report here, thank you.
^ Yep. Agreed on the three song rule.
Good article, Alex.
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