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Date: 24/11/2003
Galvanising their creative birthright to follow nothing and no-one, we could either travel with them or get off at the next stop. A sell-out tour with eight thousand here tonight shows the mass bended knee.
Keeping to their manifesto of "if you wanna listen, then fine," five guys amble lethargically on stage before a Jonny Greenwood-sampled Thom Yorke proceeds to shout **"Car-diff" **throughout opener 'The Gloaming'. Slender screens showing grainy photo-booth movie strips of the action flank the stages, disengaging things slightly further.
Thankfully, current album 'Hail To The Thief' has been around long enough to acclimatise us to a lot of the material that's appreciated tonight, with 'Myxomatosis' making short shrift of the emotions and _'We Suck Young Blood'_ morphing into a stunted Darkness clap-along. But smatterings of 'Kid A' and especially'OK Computer' are embraced like the return of dead children. 'Paranoid Android', 'Karma Police' and 'Lucky' release everyone into an ecstatic, expressive lather, even the band. Possible tour fatigue, along with the steely nerve needed to delve amongst the raw turmoil of HTTT makes 'Idioteque' a port in a storm for both sides of the safety barrier. For this brief moment, their creative, communicative essence bursts into an all-consuming inferno. The final encore ends with _'Everything In Its Right Place'_, executed at breakneck speed but as a consequence, sadly bleached of its sensitivity.
I wanted to be immersed into magic tonight but the ultimate feeling is one of something sadly unrequited. That unspoken, emotional element is their greatest asset but its distance in a live setting such as this can also be their Achilles heel.
A window to the soul, or soulless?
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Re: Radiohead
please, please, please;
listen to the records, maybe even once before you start posturing your bollocks for widespread humiliation. i respect your right to not like kid a or whatever. you respect my right to love the same. or you're a twat who cries 'cos he's into music for penis comparison as opposed to
beauty
boys.
listen to the records, maybe even once before you start posturing your bollocks for widespread humiliation. i respect your right to not like kid a or whatever. you respect my right to love the same. or you're a twat who cries 'cos he's into music for penis comparison as opposed to
beauty
boys.
Re: Radiohead
dom- you need to wake from your denial and realise that you love radiohead. 'the gloaming' is your favourite song. we know it. you know it. you need to come clean. you need to escape from the self-hating trap you're in. it's okay to love radiohead.
remember, dom, we love you. whenever you need us, we'll be there for you.
we'll always be there.
XXX
remember, dom, we love you. whenever you need us, we'll be there for you.
we'll always be there.
XXX
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okay. maybe i'm getting wound up, but hey-
melody. melodies are nice. one of the greatest myths of post-millenial radiohead is the lack of melody thing. but they have lots and lots!
Kid A. 10 songs. one is tuneless (but actually good). nine have clear, obvious, listenable tunes. one of those is shite. another one is average. the rest are fucking great, and there are 3 songs there that are the greatest ever.
Amnesiac. 11 songs. two are tuneless- and crap. nine have tunes- one of those is crap. the rest are great. pyramid song is their greatest, most moving moment.
Hail To The Thief. 14 songs. All have tunes. A couple arn't great. another couple are good. ten songs are fucking amazing. six of those are collosal.
thom yorke is in print saying that he just does what he does. so fair enough. who gives a fuck about "art"? i don't. i just like great music.
and radiohead are amazing live. i've read reviews of their latest gigs that indicate people absolutely loved them up, apart from the crybabies who can't take they don't do the 'creep' much anymore...
if you hate them, fine. great.
but if you went to their recent gig, knowing you hate these songs, you're a bit dense.
all great records sound shit first time round, in my experience. i mean shit is shit, but kid a did mean something, it grows and grows on you, it is just a lovely, sweet little thng and it needs love.
dom- listen to their stuff again, but don't prejudge it. let it happen to you. you just might like it, you sick little perve you.
fuck me i'm sad for writing all this, but hey. i'm on shit loads of coke right now. i can do anything. i can lift trucks, jump buildings, save babies. it's great.
dom, i'm there for you.
XXX
melody. melodies are nice. one of the greatest myths of post-millenial radiohead is the lack of melody thing. but they have lots and lots!
Kid A. 10 songs. one is tuneless (but actually good). nine have clear, obvious, listenable tunes. one of those is shite. another one is average. the rest are fucking great, and there are 3 songs there that are the greatest ever.
Amnesiac. 11 songs. two are tuneless- and crap. nine have tunes- one of those is crap. the rest are great. pyramid song is their greatest, most moving moment.
Hail To The Thief. 14 songs. All have tunes. A couple arn't great. another couple are good. ten songs are fucking amazing. six of those are collosal.
thom yorke is in print saying that he just does what he does. so fair enough. who gives a fuck about "art"? i don't. i just like great music.
and radiohead are amazing live. i've read reviews of their latest gigs that indicate people absolutely loved them up, apart from the crybabies who can't take they don't do the 'creep' much anymore...
if you hate them, fine. great.
but if you went to their recent gig, knowing you hate these songs, you're a bit dense.
all great records sound shit first time round, in my experience. i mean shit is shit, but kid a did mean something, it grows and grows on you, it is just a lovely, sweet little thng and it needs love.
dom- listen to their stuff again, but don't prejudge it. let it happen to you. you just might like it, you sick little perve you.
fuck me i'm sad for writing all this, but hey. i'm on shit loads of coke right now. i can do anything. i can lift trucks, jump buildings, save babies. it's great.
dom, i'm there for you.
XXX
Re: Radiohead
a few million people are behind your gene pool, dom. the result is definitely 'wrong'...
Re: Radiohead
dom, check your door for money and groupies 'cos your wit is off the scale.
Re: Radiohead
well last time i looked you didn't end up with a number one album both sides of the atlantic, with no promotional singles from it, by being a "joke".
:)
you know the one i'm talking about i'm sure...
:)
you know the one i'm talking about i'm sure...
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c'mon then, what - indeed, *who* even - would you consider as 'moving music forward' currently, in the way you speak of? Seeing you dismiss 'kid a' for one with such a pithy jibe.......and anyway, isn't playing all yer old simple and jangly hits (creep, the bends) more a step back, surely, given your desire for radiohead (and Blur) to 'move music forward'? mmm?
ps, i am as much a huge fan of yr aforementioned fave radiohead songs as you are...
ps, i am as much a huge fan of yr aforementioned fave radiohead songs as you are...
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Couldn't disagree more, I'm afraid. All the bands you mention are great, and as "experimental electronic music" are quite probably better than Radiohead in that capacity. Unfortunately everyone fails to recognise one crucial point here - "Kid A" is a beautiful, beautiful record. The British press have this tendency to slate Radiohead's newer work because they did a surface-listen and it didn't sound like "OK Computer". But if you'd given it any time at all you'd realise it goes waaay beyond just half-arsed attempts at Warp-tronica.
If anything I'd say Radiohead have been denied the acclaim another band would have had, if they didn't have the history. The problem is that people can't assess their work for what it is - unique, articulate and deeply emotional. While I'm here I may as well mention that "emotional" doesn't just mean wrist-slitting in this context as so many short-sighted people often say. It means they successfully convey a wide range of emotions, which they do - there's so much more hope in their music than so many people make out.
Maybe the reason I *bought* the reocrd is because it's Radiohead, but that's not why I love it. If people weren't concentrating so hard on trying to be so hip and obscurist, they might actually listen to it and realise it's, y'know, good.
If anything I'd say Radiohead have been denied the acclaim another band would have had, if they didn't have the history. The problem is that people can't assess their work for what it is - unique, articulate and deeply emotional. While I'm here I may as well mention that "emotional" doesn't just mean wrist-slitting in this context as so many short-sighted people often say. It means they successfully convey a wide range of emotions, which they do - there's so much more hope in their music than so many people make out.
Maybe the reason I *bought* the reocrd is because it's Radiohead, but that's not why I love it. If people weren't concentrating so hard on trying to be so hip and obscurist, they might actually listen to it and realise it's, y'know, good.
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McDonald had a fucking reality tv show she became the star of
Carey had millions $$$$$$ worth of promotion, the Sony boss as husband, MTV, etcetcetc........
Both of those are from totally different spheres - both musically, and the entire machinations of the industry behind their fame/progress to the 'top' (of the charts..). You're an intelligent person though so that was surely just to wind me up, i can't think of any other sensible reason. wherever did i mention "inspirational geniuses (sic)" anyway?
Radiohead put out a record that in comparison to the first 3 was 'difficult' / 'obtuse' / 'pretentious' / 'unfriendly' / sundry other accusations from eg: people who wanted them to remake OKC for the rest of their careers. and in no way at all were expected to perform so well beforehand, let alone once you'd heard what was on the record. no press saturation, no singles, no mtv videos, very scant interviews. summat *happened*, and they went stellar. in the midst of nu-metal, bad Steps-pop and the rise of uk-garage. and i think of all of this, then look back at Kid A, and just can't reconcile the two, can't work out how the hell it happened. Other than what a stunning album it is, alongside The Bends it's the best album they've done (imho..)
And perversely, given those accusations, that album set them up as being more popular than they'd ever been before, and they're only getting bigger. I think those who stoutly insist Radiohead in the 21st Century are a joke are rather the minority of old fans who whimper about them not playing Creep live when they see them. and some IDM heads who look down on em with mirth/disdain for their programming and edits not being as hot as Gescom's or whatever. And your good self (wouldn't want to stain your dignified superiority you preen so much in this thread above by claiming you whimper).
This refers to several things you've posted really...though with that last reply either you're being thoroughly awkward or just plain stupid , I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as its Christmas ;)
I think things are getting on my tits even more than usual the longer we've no hot water here.....
Carey had millions $$$$$$ worth of promotion, the Sony boss as husband, MTV, etcetcetc........
Both of those are from totally different spheres - both musically, and the entire machinations of the industry behind their fame/progress to the 'top' (of the charts..). You're an intelligent person though so that was surely just to wind me up, i can't think of any other sensible reason. wherever did i mention "inspirational geniuses (sic)" anyway?
Radiohead put out a record that in comparison to the first 3 was 'difficult' / 'obtuse' / 'pretentious' / 'unfriendly' / sundry other accusations from eg: people who wanted them to remake OKC for the rest of their careers. and in no way at all were expected to perform so well beforehand, let alone once you'd heard what was on the record. no press saturation, no singles, no mtv videos, very scant interviews. summat *happened*, and they went stellar. in the midst of nu-metal, bad Steps-pop and the rise of uk-garage. and i think of all of this, then look back at Kid A, and just can't reconcile the two, can't work out how the hell it happened. Other than what a stunning album it is, alongside The Bends it's the best album they've done (imho..)
And perversely, given those accusations, that album set them up as being more popular than they'd ever been before, and they're only getting bigger. I think those who stoutly insist Radiohead in the 21st Century are a joke are rather the minority of old fans who whimper about them not playing Creep live when they see them. and some IDM heads who look down on em with mirth/disdain for their programming and edits not being as hot as Gescom's or whatever. And your good self (wouldn't want to stain your dignified superiority you preen so much in this thread above by claiming you whimper).
This refers to several things you've posted really...though with that last reply either you're being thoroughly awkward or just plain stupid , I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as its Christmas ;)
I think things are getting on my tits even more than usual the longer we've no hot water here.....
Re: Radiohead
(smileadelic) - my, that was a more on-the-money post than i've seen on here in fucking aeons! can't fault a word of that.
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