that's golf, man
they should have a veiled Page 3 and maybe a text vote or something.
IS pretty awful.
thought it isn't really The Sun's place to make them.
before 9 o'clock, are you mental?
freedom to wear them in the bath
CALL THE COPS!!!
they said they're busy just now playing with their horse
Your mum's gusset.
I don't see how not wearing it in court will help anything really.
Am I missing something?
BUT freedom to wear them in streets and parks.'
not sure why but i'm finding that hilarious.
Why don't you ask the music forum?
it must end
it is the sinister tone and the massive picture of a woman wearing a niqab together with all the capital letters which makes it all seem a bit wrong really. BAN, LET etc. Even allowing them in parks and streets seems like some form of demand. Cue if parliament make some form of ruling, the Sun will claim it is a victory for the Sun.
I find it sorta curious that these same people dont seem to be around when issues of misogyny perpetrated by british institutions - bungled rape trials, workplace sexism against women, etc - are raised.
Anyone fancy firebombing a mosque in celebration?
who are trying to circumvent such situations when essentially, in hospitals a decision to ban them would purely be as a matter of hygiene which I wouldn't think many people would object to.
The other situations seem to have some fairly dubious underlying themes about the trustworthiness of people who are wearing them though I mean why would they need to be banned in banks?
Yeah I've not read anything to do with this, but I glanced at the Sun today and thought 'Whoa there sunshine, whoa'
It was a new low but I was feeling MEH and I had a train journey to survive and I had missed my direct train and had to get a bawsacky one insteasd and my ipad and phone had both died so I thought FUCK IT, I'm going to indulge in a bit of light prejudice and tits.
Just numbingly expected I guess
The methods used in putting across their opinion by The Sun: crass, sensationalist and fear mongering
Standard Sun front page then
FYI The Mail are about level pegging with their take (no real surprise though)
is all getting a bit
banks had to build muslim ladies changing rooms
It's so true. Yes yes yes. I couldn't work why I felt so uneasy about it. I mean, most of the hate is veiled (excuse the pun) in anti terrorism arguments and it's difficult to argue against but yes - it's a giant "blame Muslims for everything" stance that's happening.
look at the face of the accused when they're being questioned.
The judge's ruling is pretty good, imo. He specifies that it only applies to an accused (not to a witness or court visitor or complainant), looks at the balance between religious freedoms and the requirements of the justice system, and brings in Islamic jurisprudence (which says that a woman should remove facial coverings in court) - http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/Misc/2013/13.html
Can sorta see why you would want someone in a bank to have their face uncovered, but why airports? (Other than kneejerk omg 9/11 reaction)
Me - I think it's a slippy slope to legislate what people can or can't wear.
First it's burkas, next it'll be V for Vendetta masks and then where will democracy be?!
Veils in court = no
Veils at airport security = no
veils in schools = no
Veils in banks = no
Those are the points I agree with
The why teh Sun have gone about it = unacceptable
you need to be able to clearly identify in so many different everyday situations and in many jobs - it's not really about religion unless people want to make it about religion.
I'm not expert or not pretending to know jack shit about the Muslim faith but the Koran does not specifically request women to keep their heads or faces covered.
The judge's decision was very good - and backed by all the Muslim groups that they've had on the news.
Don't see why any of the Sun's DEMANDS are remotely reasonable.
I dont like the idea of legislating against clothing but its reasonable to request that in certain situations you do need to see someone's face for practical reasons. And but also theres the issue of what sort of message a burqa or veil sends to those outside your group, are you basically declaring yourself exiled from the society at large by refusing to show your face idk, and is it right to claim religious persecution when the burqa isnt as you say technically a religious garment.
And but then I dont like these sweaty right wing cunts claiming that the british system of demands honesty transparency and openness, as well as equal rights for women. If they really believe that where are they when like the rape of vulnerable asylum seekers is occurring at yarls wood, a place run by a private company employed by the british system? Wheres their sense of openness and transparency when the state colludes with the media to hide the murder of an unarmed man by police, and they decry perfectly legitimate freedom of information requests re the abuse of our privacy by dark actors as lefty subversive behaviour? should we be siding with the sweaty right wing peeps when clearly they are feigning belief in enlightenment values in order to oppress? I just dont know how to feel about this really.