artisanal back-to-nature retro-lifestyle dickheads
"hipster hike" http://vimeo.com/50201327#at=0
"wilderness collective" http://vimeo.com/55420992
i guess the videos above are particularly american - davy crockett mountaineering manliness, but you see this sort of stuff in the UK all the time too, this recent fetishisation of the colonial-era nuclear family lifestyle: retro barbershops, the gent magazine, MEAT, baking, growing your own food, aprons, argyle jumpers etc
do you know anyone like this? are you like this? where does this mentality come from? is this sort of thing what our generation will be remembered for?
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Yeah I think it's sick
Alright, Westwood.
it's repugnant
here is a quote from the video: 'in an age of eroding masculinity, where men are depicted as weak and blundering and misguided and shallow, men need to be ever more intentional to carve out time for camaraderie, for adventure and introspection'.
...
Can picture him hitting his girlfriend then going to crywank himself to sleep whilst listening to Bright Eyes.
jfc
Bit close to home, mate?
The bit with the coffee in the first one, :D.
Fucking hell, the guy doing the voicover in the second one is a horrendous cunt
"Contrary to the euphemism, man is NOT an island".
Kill them all.
ahem!
Are you a man, though?
I could give it my best shot
If you'd like.
I see they used a modern can opener instead of struggling with an old style one for 20 minutes
the fucking cop outs
i've always used an old style can opener.
artisanal back-to-nature retro-lifestyle dickhead
And it was clearly just a tin of Stag Chilli with the label removed.
I normally smash cans up on some nearby rocks
i know lots of people that eat meat and bake, yes
me mam wears an apron.
this seems like a very puzzling stereotype.
I watched that to the end hoping they'd get mauled by bears
the second one looks amazing fun
but they seem like a bunch of cunts
growing your own food and jumpers
what a bunch of absolute cunts
it's being sold a lifestyle I guess
Everyone is at it... tumblr/ urban outfitter GAG!
Think all that stuff is just because of the market split
stuff that is made cheaply inevitably involves a lot of technology and low quality components
so that stuff is fobbed off to the proles whilst the middle classes get to know how their stuff is made and what its made of (for a fee of course). Divide and rule. Class war, etc.
this horsemeat thing is the perfect example.
I don't blame those pricks in the videos for buying what is aimed at them. More worrying is the way they experience it vicariously through a lens. They need to get a grip.
this was actually a cool article http://thequietus.com/articles/11356-instagram-food-pictures
it just seems really hypocritical
they have all this 'quality' basic, natural stuff, but it's not like it's even their whole life - they're documenting it with the latest technology and putting it on the internet. it's the privilege of having the money to buy the stuff which makes it look like you don't have money, and then it's the obnoxiousness of taking a picture to prove it.
yeah this sounds about right
kensington whole foods do really nice soups and breads but they're horribly overpriced and the whole aesthetic of the place gives me the shudders. the gesture towards purity and the converse drive towards exclusivity - "only the few can build a lifestyle around this universal good"
the rest of us can pop in once a fortnight for lunch
I don't think its to do with looking like you don't have money
though thats a by product.
Its just that they're oblivious to the fact that good taste isn't open to all, even if it might be economically.
Case in point: baking.
Baking your own bread is really nice, and its almost cheaper than a cheap supermarket loaf. All you need to make it is flour, water and somewhere to cook it. It would be nice if everyone just made their own bread.
But people like this react by giving out the impression that they're dumbfounded that not everyone does those when it seems so accessible. In reality it is time-intensive and requires basic knowhow which is NOT accessible to a whole bunch of people. It is a 'good' end product, it is encompassed by 'good taste'. It would be nice if it could be a staple for everyone in the true sense. These cunts don't know how to react to this, and this is how a staple product such as bread without chemicals and additives in it becomes 'artisinal'.
i don't entirely agree
i don't think these types would respond well to a homemade plain white loaf, either because it hasn't been made from zero-km homemade flour or because it's not made from Moravian spelt or whatever. the inaccessibility to these things is what drives them: they are unique and special. every loaf of bread has to be the result of a passion, of studied technique in the art of baking.
But there IS no art to baking
or at least there shouldn't be.
Bread is not something that can be special, or at least what we now call special bread shouldn't be.
People have been making and eating bread to fill their stomachs for years and suddenly (because of capitalism obvs) some cunt comes along and claims to have mastered the art.
That's what I find mad. An artisan should be concerned with repetition.
You don't get artisan bread in places like france, you get bakeries.
i know
i think it's a particularly american and british phenomenon, largely because there aren't bakeries on every corner and the only accessible bread is a factory made one from the supermarket. britain in particular doesn't really have any sort of food culture so there's a gap where something like that should be.
Seems appropriate:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/cartoon/2012/dec/08/1
Could be a bunch of people wanting to hark back to the supposed simpler times of their parents generation
prehaps made bigger by the prevalance of the retro asthetic that seems to be everywhere right now. Or a post-modern generation which has no culture of their own apart from what they take bit by bit from the past.
<shrugs>
I wouldn't call it sick. Hipster twatish prehaps but not sick. You could say the comeback of say knitting etc is just as much part of this.
the fact thay actually called the video hipster hike though
mean they can do one.
...and also, "contrary to the euphemism".
shit
what was ever wrong with digging out some field&trek kit and going for a walk
yeah it's presented in a very worthy fashion
but in this thread: consumer guilt
even gestures towards sustainability are important. i'm no luddite but anything that connects humankind with an idea of ecological integration is important and good
and obviously the expensive fetishisation of antiquated practices is just another form of exploitation
dunno who's winning here, suspect it's nobody, least of all me
Yeah but thats a myth
The idea that we owe it to ourselves to protect mother nature is a myth.
The natural world is there for people to exploit. Its there for us to dominate.
The idea that we have lost our way and need to 'get back' is a myth. Its used again to create another tier of consumption and makes no sense.
your post would appear to contain an internal contradiction
you decry 'another tier of consumption' while in the previous breath you advocate the harnessing, consumption and portioning of the natural world
it's true that humans are part of nature and if we so choose, we have the means to destroy our environment and by extension ourselves. but then issues of conscience enter the fray - does the existence of conscience behoove us to act with greater sustainability and less consumerist violence - does the exploitation of mother earth offend enough of us in a moral and aesthetic sense and hence lie without our nature?
Probably should'ave been more specific.
When I was talking about another tier of consumption I meant that which 'the consumer', that apparent free thinker who changes the world through their consumer choices, gets to ascend to. The idea being that in an open market the way you become a force for good or bad depending is based on on your respect of 'taste' which is accessible by everyone who consumes. When taste/good consumption becomes linked with the idea of sustainability, it doesn't change the market for everyone i.e it does not make our current relationship with 'nature' more sustainable.
This is because the market is cynical. It provides for good and bad taste, and it always will.
To dominate it I guess would be to destroy any considerations we had in terms of conscience as you mentioned and nature, but not to view it in terms of utility either. Really we won't be free of it until we grasp our own humanity.
sustainability needs to be divorced from 'good consumption'
or at least, just good consumption. sustainability is a circular, ongoing process, whereas consumption is purely one-way. sustainability needs to be thought of as a process in which we participate, both in a constructive and destructive sense. the market's claim to have the last word on 'sustainability' is a great problem, I agree
conscience is vital (it makes itself vital; we are a conscience-driven species, perhaps) and at this stage is the only thing preventing the total destruction of humanity. for us to grasp our own humanity would be to grasp our responsibility to prevent ourselves from depreciating nature and the natural cycle to such an extent that we too are consumed in the vortex
in this sense, we must dominate ourselves, as an aspect of nature that is developing increasingly cancerous signs. this does not mean we must seek to dominate all of nature, unless in the sense where all is one, and we *are* nature depending upon our definition/perception of it
I agree with this
It's not like you have to be a marauding Colonial bastard burning villages just for the Nietzchean power for its own sake to disagree that we should 'love' mother earth. Mother Earth is a hugely contradictory idea. Cheers mam, for making 99% of all creatures that have ever lived extinct. Getting back to nature is hugely conservative idea whether it's on this consumerist level, or on the level of 'protecting' the planet. We need to protect the environment so we don't all burn, not because nature is an inherently beautiful thing.
Besides, I don't think we are or can be 'part' of nature. Civilisation and nature seem to me to be intrinsically incompatible - you can't assimilate one to the other for the good of both.
love how the Mother Earth strawwoman has been constructed out of nowhere
I'm just sayin', like, mens sana in corpore sano. you come across as a bit of a psycho tbh
Fair enough
I just thought used Mother Earth (maybe pointlessly) as proxy for THAT type of thinking that it seems like is part of the justification for lifestyles like this. But tbf, yr having an argument about consumerism not that. Just something i've been reading about recently that I tacked on thinking twas relevant.
erm, i think I understand some of your arguments against stuff here
but, i think that you might be missing that there are other aspects.
remember
1) All mothers give birth to that which must die.
2) Mother Earth/Moon and Father sun DO nurture us.
3) We are a product of evolution shaped by the conditions and opportunities presented by Earth/Moon/Sun (and if you like, further space/time aspects).
4) The conditions of Earth/Moon/Sun, do vary, sometimes cyclically within many organisms lifespan, perhaps giving opportunity for that which has/is evolving, sometimes over a longer period an which therefore might not be as beneficial to a specific species line, unless it has the opportunity to adapt.
5) If you do not love the Earth/Moon/Sun, then you are essentially insane (or suicidal). Most people forget about this though and conjoin natural conditions with the conditions that human economic society has created......yes this was born of a society, and yet it is perhaps an ultimately blind branch of social behaviour evolution as the current one is ultimately self destructive.
So it is useful to try to regard being rained on as a different event in your day, rather than 'AND another terrible thing happened to me on the way home after a dreadful day at the office'
Its cheesy but 'raindrops keep falling on my head' is something to always keep in mind if you are inwardly cursing the rain.
I am an animal, most humans are taught to try to denigrate that and go to lengths to hide evidence of it......witness the wests revulsion about the idea of being able to SMELL another human (outside of the enhanced intimacy that lovers have).
I and others have no option other than to be facsimiles of a modern member of society.
Many many years ago whilst visiting findhorn i enquired about how someone might join them, 'might working there qualify?' ....'no....one would have to indulge in some modern society profit making first. to be able to get the capital needed to "retire" from modern living.
Basically there were a lot of rich german women :D
There was a british invented tribe called the Dongas, who tried to exist without working and without benefits.
I tried for a while to work (for less than market value) and yet not join in with many aspects of modern society (so i did not 'drop out' but I tried to be more ascetic.....but combined with aesthetics.....i.e. do without a lot of worldly stuff, and yet pursue beauty.
I had no fridge or television or bath (although I could afford all) I bathed in a bowl.
Unfortunately this upset others considerably, my mum, freinds, aquaintances and workmates.....although I did not preach at all then, I think that workmates and aquaintances took the way I was as a criticism of their lifestyle (although the guilt was all of their own creation)
Unfortunately although I had given up unecessary material benefit and advancement and was still working and freindly to all, I was on an exceedingly high horse, whatsmore I was on a horse on my own. It got lame and I moved on.
The point to the last bit of rambling is that it is not going to be possible for humans in a western country to live without the system as the system/people within it will not tolerate it.......I found out abput people without huge amounts of money who had scraped together enough for just a bit of land, but they were still cursed and not left alone.
SO.........there can be an utterly sincere desire to behave more naturally......the desire to return, even a little bit, back to nature is a laudable one.......but people have to DO it, not buy it.
It would be better to keep some sumatran or papuans or amazonians peoples untainted by the rest of society than perhaps spend money roaring around the wilderness on bikes, though.
s to whether we can be part of nature or not......well we are like dometicated livestock, we are not free, our rulers will insist on us being treated like modern cattle....tagged (if it could......it is nearly heading that tech will tag us)
BUT, we are still animals, and we can revert to our wild nature, mostly we do not as self presevation is one of many animals prime directives (obviously there are others).
actually i should have just said
When Ive 'gone back to nature' its been fucking beautiful
I completely agree with what you said.
I wasnt saying fuck nature, just it's an easily exploitable idea in certain setting. I don't like it when it's used ideologically basically, I didn't make that very clear.
fucking eat that, determinist triumph-of-man motherfuckers
i'd question the connection to it
the primary purpose of both of these videos is the documentation itself. their interaction with 'the wilderness' is as sanitised and as superficial as it is possible to be; driving all this equipment up there, riding the dirt-bikes, transporting the food there... being connected to mother earth is the least of their concerns.
they can't even start a fire ffs
Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe
Rosenbergs, H Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, The King And I, and The Catcher In The Rye
Eisenhower, Vaccine, England's got a new queen
Maciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye
Joseph Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc
Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dancron
Dien Bien Phu Falls, Rock Around the Clock
Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland
Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
Princess Grace, Peyton Place, Trouble in the Suez
Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, Bridge On The River Kwai
Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkwether, Homicide, Children of Thalidomide
Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, Space Monkey, Mafia
Hula Hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go
U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo
Hemingway, Eichman, Stranger in a Strange Land
Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs invasion
Lawrence of Arabia, British Beatlemania
Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson
Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British Politician sex
J.F.K. blown away, what else do I have to say
Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide
Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore
well, yes - I didn't see the videos
and I suspect your perspective would be accurate, especially if they're being so self-aggrandising about it
nothing says back-to-nature like a Canon 7D post-processed with magic bullet looks
.
Yeah. I'd love to see them give up their iPhones.
The narrator in the second one
OH GOD!
I like the bit when he is going on about going on an ADVENTURE as an antidote to being an emasculated man, and then someone calls out 'gin and tunics for everyone' or something.
:D
Having said that - the second one does look great fun, but its not THE WILD is it? You don't become one with nature cos you've turned you phone off or a couple of days.
The i rest one, with the coffee. JESUS CHRIST.
You go to the trees and mountains and lakes to get away from this shit, don't bring I with you.
Americans often like to think they can deal with the problems in their lives/the world
by IMPOSING themselves dramatically on a situation, and then declaring it solved, even though the only reason it can't be seen is because the folds of their own fat* obscure it
*metaphorical, if you like
Any statement that begins with *(large group of people) are* is absolute bollocks, you understand?
where can I be reductive if not on DiS eh
Besides, I said *often*. Just observing a thread I've sometimes detected in the national character, whether through art, news or people I've met. Don't be butthurt.
mind you I'd probably be much better off avoiding such statements entirely
they don't exactly add anything, and they risk offence
They're basically making a big deal about doing in a really shit way what real people do all the time
and fetishising every banal activity as though it were some kind of mystical experience. Arseholes.
Also - he first one
That's not hiking - that's a PICNIC
I thought for a moment that you were talking about me being a dickhead
and then I realised that you didnt.
WHy are all these dickheads wearing the same thing? Is this like 'manschool'?
I dont watch it to the end.....do they get naked?
also why the slagging of of baking?
Mrs knees is a baker and I am proud that she actually has an honourable human trade (hardly any of us do nowadays)
I agree these people are detestable, they are wearing loads of stuff 'specially made for their outdoorsyness' in factories and marketed.
Dont they want to make their own shit to go off into the wild with?
Do they actually learn to live off the land? without manufatured help (although I admit that a knife is pretty much very useful)
bake-to-nature REAL DEAL ^
I bake and would love to grow my own food.
SUE ME
Yeah, but you're not putting it on Instagram or Tumblr, so you're alright.
he's german
pretty much written into the birth contract that he'll have baked his first kuchen aged 18 months
One thing I would add
In the first one, if he is an aspiring film-make and it's just an exercise in style, tone, composition and all that jazz, then maybe we are being a bit harsh. I don't advocate it as a lifestyle choice, but I'm not really convinced that it an actual representation of whoever made it's life. I'm not convinced its supposed to be.
I'd have thought you lot would be all over the first one in particular.
Given it's twee middle class nonsense.
You should try liking life more than you hate men.
The misandry on this website really is inexcusable.
I dont get why people say this, wishpig is perfectly nice to me and i find what she
says is perfectly acceptable.
the video showing 'men discovering their manly purpose' seems truly dreadful (at least 'fight club' had all sorts, managers and menials)
this is obviously just for the moneyed middle class.
This is a marketing ploy aimed very firmly at developing the conceit of an idea that men can rediscover/touch briefly, their primeavil natures......"just so long as it fits within acceptable parameters as defined by the state and society" Which is essentially why it is bollocks.
Because me, as a man, thinks I should not ride roughshod over others to get more (as there is plenty to go round) But when I see some Nasty Bastard promoting himself to leader and then hurting others....well that makes me cross enough to want to destroy that bastard and put myself in his place.......BUT.....like most other men, I dont, because the world is too crowded and society too intolerant of honest challanging of crap males leading.........so yeah men are domesticated and kow towed.......but you know what? so are women......HUMANS are made to be artificially domesticated, not just men, and perhaps thats the problem........you could have just as much fun and time living in the wilderness with a woman or a child
it's called reallllly obvious trolling
maybe serioustrolling but i hope not :(
misandry lol
I kinda get the appeal of 'back to nature' shit
I can understand hostility to shitty technology and our consumer culture and mass produced shit and whatever else. sometimes I feel want to go live in a cave in middle of nowhere and survive by licking slime off rocks. get a job that isn't office related. some modern day hippy wank. go walden.
on the other hand these people are clearly twats, and I think there's something reactionary about the idea. nature mythologising . calls to old style masculinity. it's all a bit (GODWIN'S ALERT) leni riefenstahl. plus it's obviously hella class exclusive and there's whole host of other things that are kinda disgusting about it.
also as a side note
everyone should read trout fishing in america by richard brautigan. it's really short and it's kind of a collection of proto-hippy surrealism; he's a big fan of this nature stuff. it's pretty fucking great.
reckon loui_t would love it
duly noted
My advice
If you feel like going and living in a cave somewhere and survive by licking slime of rocks, then perhaps do it.
just do it for one night maybe at first, if you have a favourate cave you are thinking of.
(PS do not pick a sea cave, do not eat mussels near sources of pollutants/outfalls)
i like meat
and bake my own bread, and grown my own food.
Not sure there's anything wrong with that tbh.
not really sure what yr getting so butt hurt about.
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4425480#r7336597
i might
(im not - although wife is doing a blog about growing food, this is in return for seeds though).
still not really sure what she's getting so butt hurt about.
Please stop saying butt hurt, its making me sad
butt hurt butt hurt butt hurt butt hurt
butt hurt butt hurt butt hurt butt hurt butt hurt butt hurt
You've done it now
shut yr dirty mouth
Its only dirty 'cause yer Ma soiled herself with excitement during proceedings
well that's just plain rude
and entirely uncalled for.
Good day Sir.
^autofill
rejected destiny's child lyrics
I DEPEND ON MEAT
It must get crazy tiring being so mad at so many things.
you know what i like today? pianos.
^^^^^^^TTTTTHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSS
I
can't THIS this enough
^true gentleman
he must have been reading up on the art of masculinity
which the wilderness collective's website helpfully directs you to
Know what I hate?
People being into piano but recording it so that people can hear it!! CUNTS!!!
^actually doesn't like the piano
i bet you bought a handcrafted organic artisanal piano and you keep it in the corner of your flat as a conversation piece and sometimes you wear piano-playing gloves but you can only play the rugrats theme tune :(
*the first four bars of Gymnopedie in the wrong key
But it looks so good with my dream catcher Wishpig.
Marry me
She's with me, pal.
fuck off
I haven't watched the videos, but isn't criticising people who like both traditional outdoorsy things AND iPhones
the same criticism idiots levelled at Occupy protestors using MacBooks?
you REALLY need to watch the videos.
I'm at a country hotel and have spent the day instagramming pictures of woodland.
Don't give a fuck.
I like meat and going to a barber.
But these people are the kind of twerps who like Mumford & Sons and Ron Swanson hates them.
The first video really could do with turning into "cabin fever 3"
hmm 2nd video
americaaa fuck yeah!
At least they made a lot of noise, which gives the wilderness ample opportunity to hide away from them and not be noticed properly
Artisanal Pencil Sharpening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KabOfnbS4TQ
that guy is ace
knows his stuff as well
it's the same guy who did the Get Your War On comics if ye didn't know
this is great
Fuck white people.
sidvicious.jpg
this stuff is a joke...ugh
one day, though, I'd like to live in a not-too-small house in the country with a big garden near some woods and a river. with, like, my own little well-informed, compassionate family. grow lots of food. hang out in the countryside. subsist in a low-impact, sustainable way.
try to disconnect as much as possible from the rubbish bits of society, but with aims to change it for the better in a small, localised way.
too many nasty people in the countryside, though.
idk, but this is something I would like. probably painfully naive.
almost everybody dreams of that.
You'll never be able to afford it unless you're willing to commute huge distances, and even if you had the time and money you wouldn't want it anyway. Thing about the countryside is it's great for like two weeks but after that it gets very, very, very dull.
it's only the money that puts me off
I could quite happily stay there my whole life - obviously going elsewhere every so often.
there isn't much in the city I'd miss.
the sort of thing in the OP is so egocentric, though
it really is just living up to all the negative notions of the 'hipster' - faux-back to nature posturing, yet more fodder for the accretion disks around these human singularities.
it's the opposite of this web 2.0 LOOK AT ME stuff to really get back to nature. it's the erasure of self in the face of the elements. documenting it voids it of any purpose it might have had initially. well, unless the purpose was just to enhance their personal brands in the minds of equally defunct people.
I'm a bit pastoral and love hills, the sea and listening to Smog while
walking along the coast etc but I am nowhere near this level of rustic dickwankery. I just like Smog and beaches.
i think this explanation of cultural xapitol helps explain why they are so infuriatinly loarhsome quite well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3xe-Wxio1o
These seem like pretty innocuous videos to get riled up about.
The first is just some twee bell-wafts going on a day trip into the hills and documenting it through a DSLR. They've even called it 'hipster hike', preempting just this kind of attack. Smug and pretentious, sure, but hardly 'sick'.
The second one... well, perhaps that's slightly more troublesome in that it seems like a direct reaction to some kind of perceived modern day misandry, but they're not harming anyone. If it makes them feel good about themselves then I'm not sure why anyone would have a major problem with it. They're just a bunch of decidedly unmanly men banding together and going camping. It's akin to the whole Tough Mudder craze (http://toughmudder.co.uk/) - the vast majority of people these days live incredibly boring, sanitised lives with hardly anything in the way of genuine challenge. This is all just an effort to reclaim some sense of purpose and belonging. Fair play, I'm not going to judge them - live and let live and all that.
are you one of them?
One of what?
Hipster Hiker? No. Member of the Wilderness Collective? No. Tough Mudderer? No. Do I live a boring and sanitised life? For sure.
stop living a boring and sanitised life, then
go and do some *real* living - just don't take any recording equipment to sully the purity.
or perform a pastiche of real living
and make sure you let everyone know about the lifestyle image you've carefully crafted for yourself
wisdom IS one of them :D
Hate to be the one defending the hipster hikers,
but the Vimeo channel makes clear that they're filmmakers. It's no different to a writer going out on a similar trip and documenting it by writing about it. Not sure why you lot are getting so mad about it.
The Wilderness Collective one's obviously a recruitment drive for the concept, so of course they're going to document it.
OK fair enough about the film makers vimeo thing
....but like I said, they should have found an arm from a body in the water theyd made their coffee/stew from, like from the end of one of the cabin fever films.
the first one isn't too bad I don't think
it's similar to Mumford and Sons or some shit - appealing to authenticity etc in a hypocritical and embarrassing manner
the second one I really don't see how you can defend; it's massively cuntish on a number of levels
the locations look nice though
here's a """"vlog"""" from the """filmmakers"""" of the first one
http://vimeo.com/59615032
i like the part where the one guy goes hiking in the pouring rain in a denim jacket and with an old-timey wooden/canvas backpack.
I fucking hate tiny, useless backpacks
oh, right, it's made of canvas? and it looks like an old school bag. and it has a Scandinavian name?
I mean, I can carry all my shopping in my big black rucksack, and it has zips and padded straps and it's waterproof, but yours is probably better.
well those woods on their way up, looked wicked.
and thats the thing.
What I would have wanted to have done would be to go off the path and up the slope, found a suitable place on the upslope side of a tree and settled down and stayed there for the night. Imagine them woods with a mist and the moon peeping through the clouds, and if you were on your own.......imagine if you heard a howlin wolf, utterly, utterly spine tingling thrilling. They have wolves round there? If they dont you can still work yourself to the state where you think that there is the possibility that one/some have moved in.
a redwod forest innit?
just like Endor
Just so I'm not missing anything,
I want to make it clear I'm not necessarily disagreeing, how is it cuntish on a number of levels? It strikes me as being just a bunch of well-to-do middle class adult men dicking about in the woods and going on 'adventures'. I don't see what's so inherently awful about that?
it's not inherently awful to go to the woods/go hiking
it IS pretty obnoxious to go to the woods/go hiking for the purpose of showing off all your expensive-but-doesn't-look-expensive products, clothes, equipment etc.
i mean, i guess it would be ok if they were filming the scenery, but instead they're filming a bag or a coffee cup - they're displaying all the signifiers of authentic mountain living, but it has all the sincerity of a fashion catalogue.
I wonder if the hipster hikers are now reading this thread and doubting their life choices
Oh no, probably not, because they are probably actually doing something.
I thought you had bigger fish to fry and bigger wrongs to correct, rather than worry about a bunch of hipsters who aren't hurting anybody.
you're right
my lady-brain can only concentrate on one thing at a time :(
really though - just because they aren't physically hurting anyone doesn't mean they are beyond criticism.
they deserve to be criticised for being part of a wider culture of vapid consumerism and one contributes towards class, race and gender disparity.
Or, you could just ignore them, like most people do.
You deserve to be criticised for none-stop whining about anything which doesn't adhere to your narrow minded view of the world.
wow you have such a bad attitude!
did you see the bit where he's stand on the ledge, gets his iPhone out to take a pic
and stops to say 'this is totally gonna get leik 900 likes'
??
standing/stood*
there were some ace unusual species of SHEEPS on Countryfile a second ago
now they're talking about table-bound lambs, tho. :(
Find a place you really like, that is quiet and in the wilderness (or as much as it can be near you).
Go and sit there, dont move or do anything, just listen to stuff.
Or be furtive and try to avoid humans/dogs knowing you are there, it will focus your mind on reaching out with your senses to detect them, this actually helps reaching an altered state. When you are being furtive you are quiet, and thus other things will stop lying low
humans/dogs
:D
In no time at all you will just be focussing on other things than yourself
(woods are really good for this) as you move through terrain you will be aware of yourself more as the evidence that you make (noises/sight) interacting with the terrain so you become more part of the soundscape, like the birds and squirrels and rabbits and falling branches and leaves and the wind in the plants and foxes and insects, you then analyse sounds to determine their possible origin.
you will learn to be familiar with the 'natural' benign sounds and other humans walking, and dogs - their sounds will stick out like sore thumbs. you will hate sounding like them and so, although you cannot be silent (you are quite a lot heavier than squirrels., foxes, birds etc so will break thicker branches when there is leafy ground cover) you will try to sound more like other things......NOT like the humans and dogs.
In a place close to where I live there are sometimes cows in this wood (common grazing land) and so whilst there it is easily possible to not sound like a human (cos they are heavy....its the weight of you that is most difficult to disguise sound wise)
If you are following something and dont want to be heard, maybe wait till the wind is blowing into your face before moving through noisier bits etc.
PS I AM not great at tracking or hunting like ray mears is, its fun just picking it up as you do it.
:)
I need to get out my Ray Mears book.
Artisanal is a lovely word
Art is anal
Artisn'titjust
Anal is an art form (at least that's what I tell the ladies-WHEEYY).
Seamless & Steadfast Enamel Steel Cups (Set of Two)
http://www.bestmadeco.com/collections/frontpage/products/seamless-enamelware-mug
Whether you're sipping Lapsang Souchong or Laphroiag: let the chimes of clinking enamel steel resound.
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First featured in the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition of 1876, enamelware was touted to combine "all the advantages of glass with the strength of metal". Since then enamel tin and steel have long been favored by outdoorsmen and cowboys because it is light, durable and easy to clean. Our cups are dishwasher safe and can even be brandished over an open fire.
$32
YES
perfect
:D
I know poundland are exploitative bastards, but I just thought Id throw this in
to emphasise that its all about targeting your sales demographic
http://www.poundland.co.uk/product-range/a-z/enamel-camping-mug/ £1.00
I must admit that I do have these, because you can have several and others can use them, these are actually really useful for getting inpromptu wood......yes it would be nice to have them with a long lasting hickory wood handle from the company that made davey crockets knives........but I have 5 of these, in case they get lost/break or someone else wants to be sawing too
http://www.poundland.co.uk/search/?q=folding%20saw
It sounds like they're reacting to the nothing is built to last these days idea
When I mean reacting to I mean making money from it
moris
what I meant to say was morris minors
http://www.auto-candy.com/the-major-endurance-of-the-british-morris-minor/
modern economics meant that you could nmake more from a car whose parts would break if you were trying to maintain them, inspect them.....disposability and replacability did take over modern production.
and you are right.
PS my doctor martin walking/hiking boots are still fine after 18+ years (been very abused and extremely used).....fantastic shoes
They look really nice
They'll keep your brew dead warm for ages too. Although so do my cheapo enamel mugs that I take camping. I don't really understand this thread at all
nobs in being nobs shocker
this stuff is so easily ignored I can't get mad at it.
if they need to upload videos of what they're doing to impress people who often they don't even know then fine, everyone on the internet is doing it. They aren't hurting anyone. Unless it is possible to actually be bored to death. It's such a small minority I don't think it's in any danger of wrecking civilisation or anything
guys in the 2nd vid are clearly republicans
They've been slagged off for being hipsters.
So, on the basis that my enemy's enemy is my friend, I'm a big fan of the videos and the people in them.
(I might, or might not, get around to actually watching the videos.)
I'm just going to leave this here...
http://dcurt.is/the-best