she just vaguely mentions what the question was about and then makes an appeal to the 'hockey moms' and the 'six-pack' guys to 'band together'.
sooooo bad.
He'd barely mentioned him and she has a go. I think that was a scripted line except the republicans prepping her expected bush to be mentioned a fair bit more.
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do you think she's in danger of overdoing all the downhome middle america stuff? Do you think there might be some fiscal Republicans out there who are going to look at McCain and Palin and fear that they're just going to fuck up everything for the upper middle classes by being monumentally incompetent?
I can see an Obama ad where she goes, "you betcha/gosh/ya/daggnamit" over and over and her being exposed as a gimmick machine.
Rich republicans will always vote republican. Bush has been good to them - a President who doesn't scream out competence - so they'll trust about any Republican.
even telling off fox news recently. plus he held fundraisers for hilary. i reckon in the privacy of a voting booth he might opt for obama. and then diebold will steal that vote along with many others...
I can't remember a Presidential race where the ticket looked so poor for the Republicans. I think some traditionally Republican voters might be rather hesitant to trust those two with their country
You could have said (as many people did) the exact same thing about Bush/Quayle. I can't think why Republicans won't vote for McCain - except that he isn't Republican enough on cultural issues.
but despite the all-conquering Gulf War I still managed to lose to a spliff smoking womaniser and his charisma-void running-mate
I think some Republicans might not vote for McCain because Palin is in NO way fit to be President and McCain looks like he's not too far from knocking on heaven's door
No one really knew who Senator Truman was or Nixon was and Roosevelt and Eisenhower both won landslides.
People don't seriously expect their canidates to die. Mcain is the same age as Reagan was when he was President.
Palin motivtaves! Republicans.
She may not win over conservative independents but Republicans of all stripes love her. She wants lower taxes and is against roe v wade. The elected Bush at the TOP of the ticket, why would the oppose his reincarnation at the bottom of the ticket?
No candidate has maintained the momentum for more than 3 weeks and it WILL tighten between now and the election.
If Obama keeps the polls like this for the next three weeks Obama should win.
Trouble is the economy may be less of a daily issues which will help McCain.
you know that game they make kids play to sharpen their memory? you know, they ask them one question to be answered after the next question is asked and it goes on etc etc. well, it seemed like Palin was playing that game tonight, just with the occasional mispronounciation, fuck-up and "i'm a mother" thrown in. also, they weren't the answers to the previous question, they were the answers to questions that weren't even asked.
fuck, her side of the debate was so scripted she barely even needed to be there.
Last night went exactly as I thought it would. Biden was always going to emerge "victorious" but Palin wasn't made to look quite the fool that she really is.
My girlfriend is in Australia at the moment, so because of the time difference she popped up on MSN Chat at the exact time the debate started - I spent the first half of the debate trying to have a conversation with her while listening to the streaming.
I managed to wing it for 45 minutes until she flat out asked me what was going on - my replies were so flippant and nonsensical that I had to put my hand up and say I wasn't paying attention, so I had to turn the thing off.
So I can't even comment on the second half of the debate - stayed up til 3.30am for nothing! So tired....
wtf is Palin going on about????? she is clearly out of her league- she skirts around the questions and is so robotic it hurts. she's definitely been "prepped" to sound like she knows what she is talking about and that is even an understatement. Anyone who votes for this woman and McCain doesn't believe in freedom or humanity. Dammit, and enough with this 'war' in Iraq!
Biden wins. Obama wins. Tina Fey wins. Bring on Nov 4th
Biden sounds ill
are we gonna do points like a boxing match?
Could do.
Palin scores for
"Soccer game"
"You betcha"
and for 'connecting'.
is Palin going to talk about parents and kids with every answer?
not sure
when are Biden's eyes gonna show up?
where's Biden's charisma?
its being drowned out by Palin's winks
The economy
obv
she just winked!
and she said the words "track record of reform".
this is embarrassing.
arrrrgggh
she's annoying the hell out of me already with her reverse double logic and blue collar sloganeering
She's winning this debate HUGE!
she's the Katy Perry of politics
hockey momsssssssss
Joe 6-pack!
^^^^^
HOW MANY TIMES IS SHE GOING TO SAY HOCKEY MOM
I would
she's not even debating!
she just vaguely mentions what the question was about and then makes an appeal to the 'hockey moms' and the 'six-pack' guys to 'band together'.
sooooo bad.
She truly understands US politics better than anyone I've ever seen.
^
darn right
darn right
darn right
darn right
She's looking straight into the camera
They've learnt from McCain's mistake on Friday.
She basically just said:
fuck this, I'm not debating, I'm talking to Joe Sickpack and Hockey Mom. Ugh ugh ugh
oh my god i hate her so much
don't panic
joey's warmed up now
He's smiling too much.
but I have a horrible feeling it might work
SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SHE BELIEVES.
The banks are horrible evil people, yet the government needs to make way for the private sector. LOL WUUUUUT?
It doesn't matter.
I think Palin is winning - That bridge to nowhere line was good though.
I know
I'm abandoning replies like crazy
she's sooooo aaaarrrgh!!!
but she isn't fluffing her lines like Biden
She's hitting her stride.
She needs to be tripped up NOW! or its all over for Biden.
are we watching the same debate?
You might be watching it with a rational viewpoint
A big mistake.
she's really cheating
she's just spouting crap and going from one revised script to another without addressing any of the questions
doesn't matter
are you saying that Americans are stupid?
some are.
The ones who like Palin will like her anyway and the ones who hate her won't like her anyway.
She wants to convince the undecideds she's one of them.
:( I couldn't leave class early.
HOW'S IT GONE?
Palin got all her good lines out in the first 15 minutes
Now she's recycling them.
Again
and again
and again...
it's not a debate
it's two people talking to a camera about things that bare only the most tenuous relation to the questions posed.
he's totally got her on the environment
Here we go
the gay/family question
Biden said "Same sex marriage"
Big Mistake
that went quick
now Iraq
oh my god
Ifill is basically an Obama operative in this case.
Hit Palin hard on the enviroment and skipping quickly over gay marriage. Lovely.
palin looked pretty uneasy about the issue though
everyone knows obama is the single most liberal senator. letting palin tie herself in knots could have been a positive for biden
Palin just pulled an "I have friends who are gay"
his teeth are too perfect and white
racist
it's like the family guy episode
where Lois is debating in the mayoral election.
She gives up giving proper answers and says 9/11 to every question.
^she's doing this now
oh dear
this woman could be President in 6 months !
Biden needs to mention Bush
NOW!
she's quick on that one
he mentions Bush once or twice and she's ticking him off for 'looking backwards'
she was totally coached on the Bush namedrop
and he was coached on the comeback
sweet
That looked really weak.
He'd barely mentioned him and she has a go. I think that was a scripted line except the republicans prepping her expected bush to be mentioned a fair bit more.
yep
she totally got slapped there
THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM!!!
oh lol
especially the Spanish!
best bit so far
more more more
oh good work there
she went for the change thing, and he made the connection with Bush.
BAM!
BANG!
BIDEN JUST BULLY RAMMED BUSH!
let me say that again..
stop doing that joe!
nah
thats good
I feel sorry for McCain
Every time I see him with Palin his eyes look lost and confused in his round honest face, as if he's just been slapped by his friend's mum
by the way,
I never knew he was from Scranton. I love the american office. That's all.
born in scranton
something he's not really made a part of his politcal CV untill he became the running mate of Senator weak-in-small-town-pennsylvania Obama.
"oh i'm not used to how you do things in washington"
cringe
My highlight so far...
Palin: "How long have I been at this? Five weeks?"
i know!
this thing would be hilarious were it not for the fact that this woman could very well be in charge of the US before long...jeeezzzz
OMG
she said that John McCain knows how to win a war?
fucksake which war did McCain win?
OH GOD
CRINGE OF THE CENTURY
WHY IS SHE TALKING ABOUT EDUCATION???????
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"Lame attempt at a joke"
Weird.
I think she's out of her depth
she's getting a bit frayed at this end of the deabte
Is she still smiling?
I can't bear to look at her face
Permanently.
I've adandoned all pretence of objectivity. I WANT HER TO DIE!!!
SHOUT OUT TO DA SKOOL KIDZ BACK IN BUTTFUCK, ALASKA
jesus christ!
Dawg gawn it Joe
I have no idea how to spell that word
Some in the crowd laughed at that.
GOOD!
where;'s your oomph joe?
this woman is clearly has no fucking clue about policy or even what the VP does. you should be totally w1nning this
I think he's running a
"Let her hang herself" tactic.
when does this end?
in about 8 years
Not if she selects a crazy VP as well.
he just said champ
i wish he was my granddad
"HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY THOSE TUITION BILLS?"
WHAT A FUCKING CUNT! With your book deal you crazy piece of shit.
I forgot about Biden's sob story
he's been much more restrained with it than Palin
I think he used it well
^^^cynical cynical bastards
That was clearly sincere. It threw Palin and never mind that - IT'LL BE ALL OVER THE NEWS TOMORROW. WOOP WOOP!
Palin says something crazy and Biden almost breaks due to his dead wife and daughter.
ho_fo
do you think he's swung it his way now?
that bit there will dominiate the media as much as any other bit.
Which will have an 'echo affect'.
But on the debate as a whole Palin has done well and not had a meltdown. Its a draw in the debate but the punditry will say Biden did well.
that's what I mean
It was a genuine, non-cynical use and showed that he has a heart to back up all his experience and Statesmanship
Exactly.
Its a very tragic story.
^^^
yeah this. If he wanted to be cynical he could have used it much more. I thought it was sincere.
Something I've noticed in my half hour of watching
Palin has mentioned McCain 132 times
Obama has been mentioned not so much
That means very little.
Biden can fill his time up with things like... FACTS. Palin has very few of those so she spouts out campaign slogans.
SHE'S GIVING THE SAME FUCKING ANSWER TO EVERY QUESTION
anyone else thinking...
Jerry Springer's "final thought"?
I thought she was giving a church sermon for a moment there
oh god she's bringing her family onto the stage
they always do that
yeah but that was particulary bad
to walk around burping a 4 month old and then hand it on to the 8 year old
hmmm
oh, alright then
i've never watched one of these things before so wasn't really aware of how they were structured.
A question ho_fo....
do you think she's in danger of overdoing all the downhome middle america stuff? Do you think there might be some fiscal Republicans out there who are going to look at McCain and Palin and fear that they're just going to fuck up everything for the upper middle classes by being monumentally incompetent?
She's more likely to be exposed as a manipulator.
I can see an Obama ad where she goes, "you betcha/gosh/ya/daggnamit" over and over and her being exposed as a gimmick machine.
Rich republicans will always vote republican. Bush has been good to them - a President who doesn't scream out competence - so they'll trust about any Republican.
i wonder who murdoch will vote for
McCain obviously
i dunno, he seems to have chilled out in his old age
even telling off fox news recently. plus he held fundraisers for hilary. i reckon in the privacy of a voting booth he might opt for obama. and then diebold will steal that vote along with many others...
He might have wanted Clinton to be the candidate to benefit MCain.
Maybe. Fox is still being Fox and its hitting Obama almost as hard a Kerry.
business is business
but yeah i reckon his new kid and young wife has made him go a bit soft
But Bush had Cheney behind him
a sociopath - but not a stupid man
the combined prospect of Mr Magoo - I mean McCain - and a total novice seems to me perhaps to be a bit of a gamble all things told
PLUS
Bush had the family caché
No more than George Bush Snr. and Dan Quayle.
(vp candidates don't swing elections)
Bush snr
Had been Reagan's VP for two terms though
Yes
And McCain has been in the Senate since the 80s. What is your point?
my point is that McCain is past it and Palin doesn't even know where to begin
I can't remember a Presidential race where the ticket looked so poor for the Republicans. I think some traditionally Republican voters might be rather hesitant to trust those two with their country
"McCain is past it and Palin doesn't even know where to begin"
You could have said (as many people did) the exact same thing about Bush/Quayle. I can't think why Republicans won't vote for McCain - except that he isn't Republican enough on cultural issues.
Bush/Quayle managed to beat Dukakis
but despite the all-conquering Gulf War I still managed to lose to a spliff smoking womaniser and his charisma-void running-mate
I think some Republicans might not vote for McCain because Palin is in NO way fit to be President and McCain looks like he's not too far from knocking on heaven's door
and that's goodnight from me
g'night
I hear what your saying but these EXACT accusations
were thrown and Bush Quayle and they won.
No one really knew who Senator Truman was or Nixon was and Roosevelt and Eisenhower both won landslides.
People don't seriously expect their canidates to die. Mcain is the same age as Reagan was when he was President.
Palin motivtaves! Republicans.
She may not win over conservative independents but Republicans of all stripes love her. She wants lower taxes and is against roe v wade. The elected Bush at the TOP of the ticket, why would the oppose his reincarnation at the bottom of the ticket?
HOFO
these are the currents polls for the battleground states:
Battlegrounds Obama McCain RCP Average
Florida 48.6 45.6 Obama +3.0
Ohio 48.0 46.0 Obama +2.0
Michigan 49.1 42.1 Obama +7.0
Virginia 49.0 46.6 Obama +2.4
Minnesota 50.0 44.3 Obama +5.7
Colorado 49.0 44.6 Obama +4.4
Iowa 51.3 41.8 Obama +9.5
Nevada 47.8 47.3 Obama +0.5
New Mexico 49.9 42.0 Obama +7.9
New Hampshire 46.7 45.4 Obama +1.3
Obama is head in every swing state. How dya think this debate will affect that?
*ahead even
Real Clear Politics aren't as good as FiveThirtyEight
Who have Obama even further ahead.
Might stem the tide towards Obama
No candidate has maintained the momentum for more than 3 weeks and it WILL tighten between now and the election.
If Obama keeps the polls like this for the next three weeks Obama should win.
Trouble is the economy may be less of a daily issues which will help McCain.
that was beautiful.
you know that game they make kids play to sharpen their memory? you know, they ask them one question to be answered after the next question is asked and it goes on etc etc. well, it seemed like Palin was playing that game tonight, just with the occasional mispronounciation, fuck-up and "i'm a mother" thrown in. also, they weren't the answers to the previous question, they were the answers to questions that weren't even asked.
fuck, her side of the debate was so scripted she barely even needed to be there.
I wish Biden was actually running for presidency
Last night went exactly as I thought it would. Biden was always going to emerge "victorious" but Palin wasn't made to look quite the fool that she really is.
I am going to watch this
now....
dogsarnit
where CAN i stream it all in full now?
..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7649832.stm
you are a prince,
prince, prince among men
how and where?
!
My girlfriend is in Australia at the moment, so because of the time difference she popped up on MSN Chat at the exact time the debate started - I spent the first half of the debate trying to have a conversation with her while listening to the streaming.
I managed to wing it for 45 minutes until she flat out asked me what was going on - my replies were so flippant and nonsensical that I had to put my hand up and say I wasn't paying attention, so I had to turn the thing off.
So I can't even comment on the second half of the debate - stayed up til 3.30am for nothing! So tired....
anyone who doesn't vote for O'Bama solely on account of his radness is an idiot.
I missed it, but i'd wage money that that stupid spiltarse embarassed herself.
I'm watching this right now...
wtf is Palin going on about????? she is clearly out of her league- she skirts around the questions and is so robotic it hurts. she's definitely been "prepped" to sound like she knows what she is talking about and that is even an understatement. Anyone who votes for this woman and McCain doesn't believe in freedom or humanity. Dammit, and enough with this 'war' in Iraq!
Biden wins. Obama wins. Tina Fey wins. Bring on Nov 4th
What's the difference between a Sarah Palin and a Clown?
A Clown wears slightly less make up
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt."