but to be honest that's not the only reason I can't be arsed with it. I don't tend to take many pictures for a kick-off so I'd have nothing to put on there, and secondly I know a few people who are proper Facebook obsessives and I couldn't ignore them without it being awkward. Too much effort all round tbh.
I have never used it but people (who if I still wanted to see, would have kept in contact with) have tried to track me down through my sister and friends. There is no escape.
Plus the people at work going on about poking and whatever other shit there is...aaarrggghhh.
i signed up about a week ago. i deactivated my account last night. it really is terrifying, people who were acquaintances of acquaintances requesting my 'friendship' -no thanks.
although i did just find out that some guy who comes to white heat who is called rory spells it the really cool way. y'know. RUARIDH or however it is. because he just added me.
the thing that frightens me the most about it is the 'in a relationship' thing. when is the right time? never? i vote never. or do i? who knows. it's scary.
1. I have a real problem with everyone being almost forced to have a single public persona. In the past, everyone used to behave differently with different groups of friends/relatives/work colleagues. Now you have to present a fairly specific version of yourself to the world. And everyone can see your conversations with different people.
2. The tagged pictures thing. It's very odd to me. That a stranger can find a picture somebody else posted of you, hover over it and find out what your name is possibly without you even having seen the picture/certainly without authorising its use on a public website.
3. Obviously, there's the stuff about it being pretty easy for people to use the site for identity theft.
4. It seems like everyone uses it for everything. I'm always last to hear about anything going down, and everyone says 'didn't you see us talking about it on Facebook for the last three months?' and I say 'no, I don't have Facebook' and then actually it might just be that they don't want to involve me and I find out by accident. Discount point four. Except don't because my overall point is how if you want to be in the social loop, you have to be a member.
5. I think there's a wider problem with internet posting etc (this place certainly included) because whilst I and I'm sure many others post things for an audience we imagine as being quite like us, there are probably thousands of people who post very rarely/read without logging on etc and the DiS forums have popped up on several unrelated Google searches for me. I just think people tend to put up things without thinking about it and only consider the potential repercussions when they arrive. Like this footballer this morning. He was writing for his close mates. His words were read by fans of the two clubs involved. I'm sure the possibility of that never even crossed his mind.
6. A lot of people seem convinced social networking is an ultruistic thing, when it really isn't. And you're basically sitting ducks for advertisers.
I don't know. The whole thing just makes me very uncomfortable. It's probably largely irrational, but I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. You'll all see one day.
Obviously, it'll be a thing of the past within three years and there'll be a new one with 'Less intrusive advertising' for five minutes til they've got a massive audience to advertise to, but still, there's so much private information available to people if they really want it.
but fair enough, there are elements of the whole thing that worry me slightly, but only if you are daft enough to put anything but your name on.
the bottom line for me is that it is a free and very effective way of talking to friends/organising stuff. yes it can be annoying when the mother of your friend's child keeps superpoking you, or the fat kid from your year at school wants a ninja fight, but it takes little or no time to press 'ignore'.
but a lot of people do the same sorts of things and Facebook gives them a public platform, which is well, well dodge. I'm not saying he has 194 close mates, but I doubt he was writing with all of them in mind. I know when I used to have Myspace I'd write blogs with maybe 20 people in mind who I think would find it interesting/funny then realise anyone anywhere could read it and there are some things I'd written I probably wouldn't want certain people to read. I just think it's human nature not to think of it. Certain places on the internet feel a lot closer and smaller than they actually are. DiS included.
Thought most people loved Facebook.
I not only 'deactivated' but also emailed them to say: delete forever please as I do not wish to 'reactivate'. In essence your info is out there somewhere being stored in the ether for 'reactivation'. I mean, what?!! In the end I have no means of checking what is kept and what isn't, if indeed anything... but I just wouldn't know.
so long as you're careful with your privacy settings and with who you add. It's a decent tool for staying in touch with friends, distant or otherwise and a million times better than myspack.
That said there is a hell of a lot of shit on there as well that is pretty senseless. I find the 'ignore' button a godsend.
In one of my tutorials last year everyone was always like "OMGH I ADDED U ON FACEBOOK! DID U C THSE PICS I PUT UP ON MY FACEBOOK! OMGH SO WASTED! FACEBOOK!". Fuck sake get away from me.
every social occasion was documented painstakingly for Facebook. Throughout any night out/night in, posed photographs were taken at regular intervals and any incident of note was met by paparazzi-esque snapping. The worst thing is, some people actually set up a poker party because it would 'look cool on Facebook'. That should have been on my list, really.
Even though the obvious solution is not to put anything personal on it, you kind of do...
Hate the wall-to-wall function, as the few times I use it, it makes me feel like an eavesdropper - even though the conversation is 'I'll meet you at this gig.' 'Yeah, okay'.
Friends wanting you to add them, going it's 'not important, it'll only take you a few seconds, WHY DON'T YOU ADD ME?!' and then making you feel awkward because you don't want to explain why.
People from school adding you because they want to know whether you still look like a spastic and still have no friends.
Taking photos with Facebook in mind.
Untagging really bad photos of yourself, despite thinking you're not vain. No, not at all.
Worrying that you don't have enough photos whenever someone new gives you a friends request.
Adding people you fancy and finding out they're boring.
People you fancy adding you and worrying they think you're boring.
I mean in so far as that if I wanted a conversation with someone I'd send them a message rather than writing on the wall and I'm not sure why people need to make their mundane conversations public...
i know one girl who's got like, 700+ facebook friends. for some people this is the ultimate goal. for others this is a nightmare, which is why we moderate our privacy setting and acutally use the ignore/reject options, and don't necessarily add every person we might have once said hi to at any point in our lives.
Like, if you sent a message saying "hey, did you and your girlfriend sort it out in the end?" or "hey man, sorry to hear about what happened", I'd say most people would choose to say something like in 'private' (and why not do it over a free and convenient resource as opposed to text, phone or retro face-to-face?)
While I agree that public wall posts are a little strange, I only really feel like that when I read too much into it. Messages are for private, wall posts are for pointless crap. You wouldn't conduct every single conversation you ever have in private, would you?
the bassist of one of my favourite bands added me (i'd like to think it's because i'm special and stalk them, but it's probably not) and before accepting i deleted several photos i'd taken from their gigs or of me with them because i didn't want to look too obsessed :(
yesterday.
therefore it is bad. people nowadays can't socialise properly. people aren't always who they say they are. middle aged women fail to grasp the concept of something aimed at young people.
i was out on Saturday night and some people i was with were taking pictures just for facebook purposes (it was someones birthday). i was pretty druk and completely forgot about this, next time i went onto facebook people had tagged me in the pictures, i was quite surprised to say the least, the phrase "what the fuck" was said.
conclusion: facebook is terrifying for this reason alone.
i stopped using it for ages, but it was quite handy to tell folks about the gig i was organising last week. I'll probably check it a touch over the next fortnight or so then fade it away again.
but very few of my friends use it (BEBO 4 LYF) so it's a bit redundant. i was looking at that "people you might know" thing recently, and most of them are disers :(
hi bamos
hi
In the interests of fairness
I don't, although I'm still clinging on to MySpace making a recovery after a horrible batting collapse.
^
myspace back in the day was so much better, I even miss pacman friday.
:D
It is shit.
None of my mates are on it, they use BEBO the bastards.
no, but i do think it's 94% crap
No
It reminds me when my friends birthdays are. Very useful.
pretty much
I don't really fancy the idea of being 'uncovered' by people I've spent years avoiding, so I just steer clear altogether.
or...
Just reject their friend requests? I do this quite often. It's strangely satisfying
If I didn't speak to you at school, there was a reason for it
same
i have no pre college people added, if you never see them anyway then they won't get upset about you not accepting
well, I could
but to be honest that's not the only reason I can't be arsed with it. I don't tend to take many pictures for a kick-off so I'd have nothing to put on there, and secondly I know a few people who are proper Facebook obsessives and I couldn't ignore them without it being awkward. Too much effort all round tbh.
i reject people ALL THE TIME
multiple times for some school "friends".
It is the devil.
I have never used it but people (who if I still wanted to see, would have kept in contact with) have tried to track me down through my sister and friends. There is no escape.
Plus the people at work going on about poking and whatever other shit there is...aaarrggghhh.
terrifyingly helpful for stalking, yes
yes.
i signed up about a week ago. i deactivated my account last night. it really is terrifying, people who were acquaintances of acquaintances requesting my 'friendship' -no thanks.
i'm indifferent
although i did just find out that some guy who comes to white heat who is called rory spells it the really cool way. y'know. RUARIDH or however it is. because he just added me.
the thing that frightens me the most about it is the 'in a relationship' thing. when is the right time? never? i vote never. or do i? who knows. it's scary.
Being friends with RUARIDH would make me less annoyed by it.
just keep it blank
And then her man'll be all pissed
When you've not seen 'em for months and you're not in a relationship?
no it's just social networking
which is taking up too much time and pretty much the main cause of the credit crunch, what with people not working as hard as they should be
CREDIT CRUNCH!
I'm not anticipating anyone will be converted by this post, but here are my fears
1. I have a real problem with everyone being almost forced to have a single public persona. In the past, everyone used to behave differently with different groups of friends/relatives/work colleagues. Now you have to present a fairly specific version of yourself to the world. And everyone can see your conversations with different people.
2. The tagged pictures thing. It's very odd to me. That a stranger can find a picture somebody else posted of you, hover over it and find out what your name is possibly without you even having seen the picture/certainly without authorising its use on a public website.
3. Obviously, there's the stuff about it being pretty easy for people to use the site for identity theft.
4. It seems like everyone uses it for everything. I'm always last to hear about anything going down, and everyone says 'didn't you see us talking about it on Facebook for the last three months?' and I say 'no, I don't have Facebook' and then actually it might just be that they don't want to involve me and I find out by accident. Discount point four. Except don't because my overall point is how if you want to be in the social loop, you have to be a member.
5. I think there's a wider problem with internet posting etc (this place certainly included) because whilst I and I'm sure many others post things for an audience we imagine as being quite like us, there are probably thousands of people who post very rarely/read without logging on etc and the DiS forums have popped up on several unrelated Google searches for me. I just think people tend to put up things without thinking about it and only consider the potential repercussions when they arrive. Like this footballer this morning. He was writing for his close mates. His words were read by fans of the two clubs involved. I'm sure the possibility of that never even crossed his mind.
6. A lot of people seem convinced social networking is an ultruistic thing, when it really isn't. And you're basically sitting ducks for advertisers.
I don't know. The whole thing just makes me very uncomfortable. It's probably largely irrational, but I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. You'll all see one day.
meh
why do people take stuff so seriously?
its just a website where i talk to my friends, share pictures and am helpfully reminded of birthdays
re: identity theft
private profile yo
Yeah, cause that's impossible to get past
for people who want to.
yep
That's how everyone sleepwalks
into darkness, though. Oh it's no big deal. Until one day it is a big deal and we all wake up with parts of our brains removed.
if you're going to worry about that
you should be more disturbed my identity cards and the like.
we'll suddenly be living in Gilead.
Identity cards are a lot less
worrying to me than Facebook. A lot less. A lot. Lots.
they'll round us up and herd us into sheep pens
then they'll make us mate with tigers to make a new super-race
If that were true, that would not be a bad thing
you might have a point
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a108613/allen-confirms-relationship-on-facebook.html
It's saturating everything so quickly
Obviously, it'll be a thing of the past within three years and there'll be a new one with 'Less intrusive advertising' for five minutes til they've got a massive audience to advertise to, but still, there's so much private information available to people if they really want it.
i think you are being slightly irrational
but fair enough, there are elements of the whole thing that worry me slightly, but only if you are daft enough to put anything but your name on.
the bottom line for me is that it is a free and very effective way of talking to friends/organising stuff. yes it can be annoying when the mother of your friend's child keeps superpoking you, or the fat kid from your year at school wants a ninja fight, but it takes little or no time to press 'ignore'.
I would say that the Palace footballer was almost certainly retarded in what he did
"He was writing for his close mates"
Well, not really. Firstly, nobody has 194 'close mates'. Secondly, he's clearly an idiot. You can't blame Facebook for his naivity
I'm not blaming Facebook per se,
but a lot of people do the same sorts of things and Facebook gives them a public platform, which is well, well dodge. I'm not saying he has 194 close mates, but I doubt he was writing with all of them in mind. I know when I used to have Myspace I'd write blogs with maybe 20 people in mind who I think would find it interesting/funny then realise anyone anywhere could read it and there are some things I'd written I probably wouldn't want certain people to read. I just think it's human nature not to think of it. Certain places on the internet feel a lot closer and smaller than they actually are. DiS included.
but "anyone anywhere"
can't see your facebook profile unless you're thick and don't know how to fix your privacy settings.
I was talking more widely about the internet there
but I'm still not at all convinced Facebook's privacy settings are all that.
they really are all that
I just can't be bothered with it
cheers
i hate it i hate it i hate it
my brother is always perving on people on it and its genuinely unsettling.
and its like some sort of sinister futuristic competition to see who can make their sad life look the best.
plus i know i was a dick at school, so there isnt much point in adding 'friends' from the past to tell me this.
it's truly baffling how facebook is presented as this essential tool for everyday life.
Cool!
Thought most people loved Facebook.
I not only 'deactivated' but also emailed them to say: delete forever please as I do not wish to 'reactivate'. In essence your info is out there somewhere being stored in the ether for 'reactivation'. I mean, what?!! In the end I have no means of checking what is kept and what isn't, if indeed anything... but I just wouldn't know.
oh, this is the perfect place to post this!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jul/08/crystalpalace.championship
more Facebook japery
bah, it's already been posted in the football thread
It's alright
so long as you're careful with your privacy settings and with who you add. It's a decent tool for staying in touch with friends, distant or otherwise and a million times better than myspack.
That said there is a hell of a lot of shit on there as well that is pretty senseless. I find the 'ignore' button a godsend.
not to mention the 'block' button
Yes.
In one of my tutorials last year everyone was always like "OMGH I ADDED U ON FACEBOOK! DID U C THSE PICS I PUT UP ON MY FACEBOOK! OMGH SO WASTED! FACEBOOK!". Fuck sake get away from me.
thats the people
not the website
if people are tw@ts they'll be tw@ts everywhere, if poeple are cool, they'll be cool everywhere,.
or something.
it still makes me hate facebook though!
Facebook makes tw@ts of us all
In my last few months at university
every social occasion was documented painstakingly for Facebook. Throughout any night out/night in, posed photographs were taken at regular intervals and any incident of note was met by paparazzi-esque snapping. The worst thing is, some people actually set up a poker party because it would 'look cool on Facebook'. That should have been on my list, really.
urgh
meanwhile, a lot of people used to take a lot of photos even before facebook
maybe the problem here is the people you know, rather than facebook itself
But the problem is, that's what people are like
Facebook IS these people. By itself, it isn't anything.
no, you're wrong
you just know shit people.
I'd say I know
a good 1000 people. Most of them are like that.
then they're all shit.
you should move away and start anew, probably.
On holiday,
I met an English girl, and at one point she decided to get her camera out and shout "OH MY GOD, FACEBOOK MOMENT!"
I don't have a Facebook. Purely because I can't be bothered to sign up.
that's amusing ¬¬
it sucks dinosaur shit
people who are obsessed with it deserve to die.
gay douchebag lives 100 miles away
Facebook = pictures + videos + wall posts/messages/etc of gay douchebag.
Facebook ftw.
This reminds me to delete some shit(s)
is this the backlash starting?
I hate it too.
Even though the obvious solution is not to put anything personal on it, you kind of do...
Hate the wall-to-wall function, as the few times I use it, it makes me feel like an eavesdropper - even though the conversation is 'I'll meet you at this gig.' 'Yeah, okay'.
Friends wanting you to add them, going it's 'not important, it'll only take you a few seconds, WHY DON'T YOU ADD ME?!' and then making you feel awkward because you don't want to explain why.
People from school adding you because they want to know whether you still look like a spastic and still have no friends.
Taking photos with Facebook in mind.
Untagging really bad photos of yourself, despite thinking you're not vain. No, not at all.
Worrying that you don't have enough photos whenever someone new gives you a friends request.
Adding people you fancy and finding out they're boring.
People you fancy adding you and worrying they think you're boring.
Aaaargh, let it end.
I've never really understood wall-to-wall conversations
I mean in so far as that if I wanted a conversation with someone I'd send them a message rather than writing on the wall and I'm not sure why people need to make their mundane conversations public...
Because the whole thing's a popularity contest
and having a full wall is the ultimate win. I imagine.
of course for some people it's going to be
i know one girl who's got like, 700+ facebook friends. for some people this is the ultimate goal. for others this is a nightmare, which is why we moderate our privacy setting and acutally use the ignore/reject options, and don't necessarily add every person we might have once said hi to at any point in our lives.
I think I know a little bit
more about why you use Facebook than you do.
obvs 8-)
oh pigfoot, you read me like an open book x
I guess the messages are more for private things
Like, if you sent a message saying "hey, did you and your girlfriend sort it out in the end?" or "hey man, sorry to hear about what happened", I'd say most people would choose to say something like in 'private' (and why not do it over a free and convenient resource as opposed to text, phone or retro face-to-face?)
While I agree that public wall posts are a little strange, I only really feel like that when I read too much into it. Messages are for private, wall posts are for pointless crap. You wouldn't conduct every single conversation you ever have in private, would you?
re people you fancy adding you
the bassist of one of my favourite bands added me (i'd like to think it's because i'm special and stalk them, but it's probably not) and before accepting i deleted several photos i'd taken from their gigs or of me with them because i didn't want to look too obsessed :(
loose women said it was bad
yesterday.
therefore it is bad. people nowadays can't socialise properly. people aren't always who they say they are. middle aged women fail to grasp the concept of something aimed at young people.
Did Sheri whatsername
go 'Weeeeell I just think it's a bit of a shame really' and then scour the faces of the audience to make sure everyone agreed with her?
this reminds me
i was out on Saturday night and some people i was with were taking pictures just for facebook purposes (it was someones birthday). i was pretty druk and completely forgot about this, next time i went onto facebook people had tagged me in the pictures, i was quite surprised to say the least, the phrase "what the fuck" was said.
conclusion: facebook is terrifying for this reason alone.
yeah its pretty horrible.i just stick with myspace
cos i like music to be played when im online
there's this thing, right
it's called itunes, and it plays music EVEN IF YOU GO ON OTHER SITES THAN MYSPACE.
Not terrifying, no
I find 90% of it pretty pointless and annoying but the photo sharing and the graffiti can be amusing.
I made my first facebook event for my birthday this year, it was easier than inviting people individually but still made me feel a little lame.
I keep saying I'm going to delete my account or just clearing everything from it and letting it rot.
Still haven't yet though.
similar
i stopped using it for ages, but it was quite handy to tell folks about the gig i was organising last week. I'll probably check it a touch over the next fortnight or so then fade it away again.
Until I have needs for it anyway.
I think it's great
not especially
but very few of my friends use it (BEBO 4 LYF) so it's a bit redundant. i was looking at that "people you might know" thing recently, and most of them are disers :(