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I miss those days.
Troubles - Onwards in Print
ASMZ - Blown Out Joy From Heaven's Mercied Hole
Explosions in the Sky - Six Days at the Bottom of the Ocean
they've always struck me as a very lame mish-mash of GYBE! and Mogwai; after they started making waves, the genre got just as lame.
Even though they're quite derivative, they have great moments. The Friday night lights soundtrack is fantastic.
It was bands like mono, yndi halda, red sparrowes etc that killed off the post rock genre
its a frustrating genre, you'd think with the style of playing and range of sounds those bands have they would be capable of creating a wide range of moods like a little classical chamber group, and yet they just plough the same kind of sad/hopeful thing over and over. I saw mono last year and it was the most boring gig ive ever been to, just the same thing over and over again.
its a shame there weren't more records like skinny fists as I think that did have a bit of variety to it, even godspeed themselves seem to have settled into repeating the same sludge.
Saw Esmerine the other week though and thought they were amazing, always loved the cello in early silver mount zion records and set fire to flames so I dont know why I didnt check them out earlier.
But after that they just felt very, safe and didn't try anything new. Same story with Mono.
it still felt like a "Yes, this is how the formula's done correctly!" moment. There's always been something lacking in all the Mogwai/GYBE! knock-off bands; I don't really mind derivation, but it just seemed like none of those bands ever quite got why Mogwai or GYBE! generally worked.
I saw them at ATP and to me they just sounded as windy and overblown as any stadium act, but with the post-rock signature of completely refusing to engage with the audience. Worst of both worlds.
genre all seem to be overrated too.
hate the term
might have a slight point on red sparowes and yndi, but i'd say it was more detwiije than yndi, who had some good choons.
with the spirit of folks like Bark Psychosis, Broadcast, Talk Talk, Slint, Mogwai, Tortoise, etc. but they tend not to be labelled post-rock in the same way that your We Sat On Saturn's Wang Until the Self-Destruction of Evenings, or your Jesus Was A Nylon Ghost Penguins are
Post-rock by committee.
And then only on the last album.
Everything else is meandering bullshit
They have always had the 'GYBE-lite' criticism but to me that's just a result of their pared down instrumentation and more 'simple' songwriting approach.
It's definitely fair to say that after Explosions got popular there were a tonne of soundalike bands. Crucially, however, none of them could write anything as affecting as Those Who Tell the Truth... or the Earth is not a Cold Dead Place. Those albums still contain some of the most beautiful guitar lines I've heard.
it was "Lets take out all the deliberate pacing of GYBE! and crescendo every 5 minutes to make up for it." It came off as post-rock for the ADD crowd. When everyone followed suit, it got worse as no one else really aspired to be anything more than just a Mogwai or GYBE! clone minus the good parts; or even worse, an EITS clone.
I think an interesting thing about the genre is how the big names are actually the best, most genres the more underground and obscure is where the innovation is but with post rock Godspeed, mogwai, and eits (I include them because they are a cut above their imitators) level bands are just so far above the rest. I'm sure there are good little bands doing something new with it, maybe they just don't get lumped in under the tag
I feel the same about Godspeed's latest (even though I keep forgetting they released it).
but then nearly everything non standard got lumped in there - Flying Saucer Attack, Third Eye Foundation, Bowery Electric, Roy Montgomery, Pram, Tortoise, Windy & Carl, Papa M, Bardo Pond, etc.
on both sides of the atlantic.
I quite like their last album, it just wish they would mix it abit, parts like the opening part of storm, or she dreampt she was a bulldozer have a lightness to them which they seem to have left behind.
Live now they have really lost it, way too guitary not enough strings. I remember seeing them back in the day with a friend who wasn't remotely into that kind of music, and they were blown away ended up coming away with all their cds, I reckon they would have had that effect on most people. Now I imagine someone who hadnt heard them would find it pretty hard going, and even as a fan i've left the last two gigs after about an hour
I often think of mogwai quite negatively, until I actual listen to them and they seem to have some hard to describe special quality that makes them better then they should be
I used to play it to chicks and pretend we were in a fishtank
is my fave. its all big band
With the turkidh musicians. Miles away from boring post rock
they had a couple of Turkish musicians the other week, it worked really well, but the older more traditional post rock/chamber stuff was really good as well. I think every project involving beckie foon has been great
EITS are boring.
This Will Destroy You got it spot on for a few records imo.
i'm considering a career in stand-up
they took over being the most generic aye?
when 2 out of every 3 bands played boring post-rock
Dull, bland, generic post-rock is the worst though.
I reckon it was a couple of years earlier than that 2006 was all about those slightly math tinged talk/shouty bands
yndi haldiaia/gifts from enola/explosions post the first few and the rest can fuck off
i'm looking forward to the new mogwai
and completely superb at what they do
Those Who Tell the Truth... is phenomenal though
Friday Night Lights
They've only really got 4 songs (bar their demo tape) and i like them all, particularly We flood Empty Lakes - can't see the issue. I think there's a fair amount of dull stuff mind, I would consider myself a post-rock fan but there's actually only about 10 or so bands i really enjoy. Ever since the early divide where the more beat laden element split itself of and started being labelled as math rock - there's a more limited dynamic. Godspeed/Evpatoria Report/ Yume Bitsu all good, More recently Years of Rice & Salt, Slow Static, Youarehere and les Reveil des Tropiques. Only one post rock album I've enjoyed this year by Oiseaux Tempete.
I've got to say that lumping Mogwai in with some of the bands mentioned is an unfair representation of what they sound like.
But their problem is that they have 3 or patch records in their oeuvre.
Good post-rock records: years of rice + salt; this patch of sky - newly risen, how brightly you shine ep , pg lost - in never out; cinematique - life in an infinite loop
maybe there were regional variations
took me a while to get it outside of 'Hunted By A Freak' but they capture this magical, timeless sound which is very rooted in Glasgow.
but I think they peaked very early. While everything after Young Team is good, none of it's really as good as Young Team was.
it does somehow sound like they are playing guitars with a scottish accent
Is people never seem to agree on that. Quite a lot of people plump for Rock Action, CODY or even Hardcore.
And you cannae deny there's a lot of songs through their later records that are gems.
the guitars sound like a dreary dreich day in glasgow where you're stoundin aboot feelin sorry for yasel and then ya go fer a pint instead
such a good album
Slint are great, but lets not count them as part of this. Please.
I just don't think there's quite as many as on Young Team.
ep + 6 and Ten Rapid are both amazing
Kicking A Dead Pig shows where they could have gone.