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rainmaker [Edit] [Delete] 95 replies 21:40 March 19th, 2013

Debut album announced, and new song She Will audio released.
http://pitchfork.com/news/50016-listen-new-savages-track-she-will-from-debut-album-silence-yourself-coming-on-matador-records/

I'm loving this song and am now very excited for the album

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i saw them at noon on a Sunday at last years EOTR

it was the PERFECT wake up call pretty much. Just completely blew my mind at the time. Cannae wait.

yuggy | 19 Mar '13, 21:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
that track sounds like it could be from one of the first couple of U2 albums

which is not a bad thing

I'd quite like to see them live but they're not coming to Scandinavia... might have to make a trip to Cologne

Body_In_The_Thames | 19 Mar '13, 22:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
Saw them for the first time at The Lexington the other evening

as part of that RIP Stool Pigeon night. Thought they were tremendous. The singer is utterly captivating. Excited to hear this.

Und_Gorgeous_Cars | 19 Mar '13, 22:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
Cant wait to album

I've seen them live twice, the first time on the tour they did with Palma Violets last year in Nottingham and then in Birmingham later on. Both times they left me pretty much breathless from their performance.

I've booked up this evening to go see them in Nottingham on the 7th May, the day after the album comes out. Had to book a hotel to stay over due to rubbish public transport links home but will be worth it

lustforlife | 19 Mar '13, 23:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
I've seen them twice now too.

Really enjoyed them both times.

fellover | 19 Mar '13, 23:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
This still one of the best EP trailers ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10TRlv3JqPc

cronenberg | 19 Mar '13, 23:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
The outro on the new tune

is immense...

godisinthetv | 20 Mar '13, 01:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
Still listening to this song today

If the rest of the album is this good it'll dwarf anything else thats due out or been out this year.

rainmaker | 20 Mar '13, 12:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
- hmm
  
  I listened to it again this morning and I'm feeling slightly less optimistic
  
  the song doesn't really have much to it other than the adrenalin rush attitude thing
  
  but then again I suppose that's kind of their point
  
  just hope the album isn't disappointing because I really want to like it
  
  Body_In_The_Thames @rainmaker | 20 Mar '13, 13:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I just listened to it 3 times in a row
    
    it's good
    
    yuggy @Body_In_The_Thames | 20 Mar '13, 14:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
Don't see what all the fuss is about.

The post-punk revival happened nearely ten years ago. This is just Sinead O'Connor fronting a Joy Division tribute act.

pendereckiesque | 20 Mar '13, 13:22 | X | ^ This | Reply

domgourlay, Ultimate_Damage, ma0sm, politelydeclined, Acquiescence, and incandenza_ this'd this
- I'm not sure the post-punk revival ever went away mate.
  
  It's a genre which will continue to fascinate.
  
  Just look at last year's Twilight Sad album and recently, Girls Names.
  
  I would say the obsession with all thing dark and gloomy isn't what it was but there's still an appetite by both musicians and listeners to explore post-punk.
  
  It didn't all start with Interpol and die with White Lies.
  
  Violator @pendereckiesque | 20 Mar '13, 13:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I don't want post-punk to go anywhere
    
    it's a far more interesting area of indie music than jangle pop or fuck me I'm twee Johnny Foreigner type stuff. Plus Brits seem to be quite good at it.
    
    that's probably the most patriotic thing I've ever said about this country.
    
    yuggy @Violator | 20 Mar '13, 14:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Yeah that all revival scene start it with Interpol
    
    but the original one probably came from other Savage - Jon Savage and the age when the punks, having learned their craft, began to branch out, seemingly in every which way.
    
    cronenberg @Violator | 20 Mar '13, 14:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
- ^this chap speaks sense.
  
  is_it_giro_day_tom @pendereckiesque | 22 Apr '13, 01:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
I adore the front cover by the way.

Apart from the very 'moody' pic we have:

The world used to be silent.
Now it has too many voices
And the noise
Is a constant distraction.
They multiply, intensify.
They will divert your attention
To what’s convenient
And forget to tell you
About yourself.
We live in an age of many stimulations.
If you are focused
You are harder to reach.
If you are distracted
You are available.
You want flattery.
Always looking to where it’s at.
You want to take part in everything
And everything to be a part of you.
Your head is spinning fast
At the end of your spine,
until you have no face at all.
And yet
If the world would shut up,
Even for a while,
Perhaps
We would start hearing
The distant rhythm of an angry young tune,
And recompose ourselves.
Perhaps,
Having deconstructed everything,
We should be thinking about
Putting everything back together.
Silence yourself.

LOL!

Well this is on my eagerly awaited albums of 2012 list which now currently looks like:

The Knife - 'Shaking The Habitual' - (Apil 7th)
Neon Neon - 'Praxis Makes Perfect' - (April, I think)
Savages - 'Silence Yourself' (ETA May 6th)
Selebrities - Second album sometime this year.

Violator | 20 Mar '13, 13:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Oh and I forgot...
  
  IDIB - 'After Dark II' (compilation)
  Glass Candy - 'Body Work'
  Farah - 'Into Eternity'
  
  I wouldn't be surprised if these don't get released this year though. It's is Johnny Jewel after all.
  
  Violator @Violator | 20 Mar '13, 13:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
Saw them live last November

Thought they were really good, so captivating and intense and the songs sounded huge.

Huggy_Bear | 20 Mar '13, 14:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
- sounds
  
  very much like early U2 mixed with Siouxsie & The Banshees
  
  kmart @Huggy_Bear | 20 Mar '13, 19:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
Might be nothing new for some of us who are old enough to have seen the Banshees, PIL, Slits, Bunnymen and indeed Boy era U2, but it's an oeuvre that's ripe for mining in these times. Much as I'm looking forward to the album, it's the thrilling up-close live experience where they really shine, which I've managed to do on four occasions so far. They capture that sense of excitement more than anyone I've seen for some time. Personally I'm a bit weary of bands sounding like the Libertines now

Wakestock | 20 Mar '13, 21:10 | X | ^ This | Reply

lustforlife this'd this
Violater mentioned this in another thread

http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4429080

but I'll put it here anyway, another new song/video this time 'Shut Up', featuring a long spoken word intro

First thoughts are the song isn't as good as 'She Will' but I really enjoy all that spoken wordy slightly pretentious stuff that surrounds it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuIB8HEmnoY

rainmaker | 21 Apr '13, 22:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
- lol this song is so bad. absurdly thick sixth form poetry leading into proper lazy 2006 free-CD-with-Artrock-core. absolutely incredible that people think they are one of the most exciting bands in the country.
  
  fuckyeahdubstep @rainmaker | 21 Apr '13, 22:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - It's alright.
    
    I think it's a very good song - again (they haven't done a duffer yet). I had already heard it before on youtube a few times and liked it a lot but they've obviously polished it up and changed some of the guitar work.
    
    It's growing on me with each listen now.
    
    I rather like the 'manifesto' in its own way but I'll say one thing - you shouldn't have it on the front cover AND read at the start of the album. Either one of the other, otherwise you're trying to hard with it.
    
    I can live with it though and Jehnny Beth sells it well.
    
    Violator @fuckyeahdubstep | 21 Apr '13, 23:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - It's not on the album - just the video.
      
      whatisthewhat @Violator | 22 Apr '13, 02:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
boring fucking pastiche

verging on actual theft

heartworms | 21 Apr '13, 23:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
Happy enough

that a band like Savages get the plaudits instead of the likes of Palma Violets and Peace...

I'm a little confused about how much praise this band gets but I really like them. The current track sounds so much like The Ruts mixed with Banshees - but as people said much better than than another band aping The libertines.

But that spoken word thing is absolute tosh. Bin it....

nickd | 22 Apr '13, 07:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
No Face rip from Mary Anne Hobbs' 6music slot

http://hypem.com/track/1w624/Savages+-+No+Face+%28Radio+Rip%29

And apparently at some point today the album is going to be available to stream.
https://twitter.com/Savagesband/status/328805484037537792

rainmaker | 29 Apr '13, 11:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
Album is streaming now

http://pitchfork.com/news/50520-stream-savages-debut-album-silence-yourself/

alexwhittaker | 29 Apr '13, 16:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
So....

This is rather brilliant

danwink | 29 Apr '13, 18:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
Their bassist really is phemomenal

http://silenceyourself.savagesband.com/

rainmaker | 29 Apr '13, 19:19 | X | ^ This | Reply

Teepee_uk this'd this
So yeah, the album is sounding nice and fierce on first listen. Superb.

Fuck me did they pick the wrong night for it though...

EndlessWindow | 29 Apr '13, 20:56 | X | ^ This | Reply

whatisthewhat and rainmaker this'd this
On first listen...

Vocals sound like Bruce Dickinson.

AntiChristJaffaCake | 29 Apr '13, 20:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
Hmm not sure about this on first listen.

Was really looking forward to it but I feel a bit flat after. Some really good touches but didn't grab me. The Dead Nature interlude is very good though. I'll give it a few more listens and see if it's a grower.
Also, I swear they've re-recorded Husbands for the album, it doesn't sound as raw as the single.

sadballadman | 29 Apr '13, 22:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
This Pitchfork feature is tremendously good all round.

http://pitchfork.com/features/cover-story/reader/savages/

whatisthewhat | 30 Apr '13, 15:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
- lead singer sounds like a bit of a dick
  
  pretty pretentious
  
  JaguarPirate @whatisthewhat | 30 Apr '13, 23:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I dunno...
    
    Where do you draw the line between thoughtful and pretentious? Whether you agree with her or not?
    
    whatisthewhat @JaguarPirate | 1 May '13, 00:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Unless you mean her hostility to the whole process
      
      which probably would be a bit annoying, yeah.
      
      whatisthewhat @whatisthewhat | 1 May '13, 00:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - i dunno, she just seems very earnest and sincere
      
      not things which really work for me on the whole
      
      JaguarPirate @whatisthewhat | 3 May '13, 03:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
- I have a bit of a problem with these Pitchfork cover stories
  
  It's not the fault of P4K or Laura Snapes articles or anything like that, it's just that the aesthetic couples with the technology being so new it makes me feel like I'm looking at a Mercedes Benz advert or something - definitely feels more like I'm being advertised at than reading an article
  
  which is silly really 'cos I could read the same article with the same pictures (though they would presumably stay still) in a glossy magazine and probably thoroughly enjoy it
  
  I don't know if this says something about a general separation between how we interact with print v web or whether it's just me but it makes my feel a bit uneasy and subsequently fairly convinced that I'm reading an advertorial
  
  Body_In_The_Thames @whatisthewhat | 30 Apr '13, 23:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - coupled* me* instead of my, etc.
    
    Body_In_The_Thames @Body_In_The_Thames | 30 Apr '13, 23:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Yeah, I mean, I don’t get that personally but it’s obviously quite a new and striking format.
    
    Personally I’d like to see all online features moving this way as magazines continue to die out. For example, when I used to pick up the Stool Pigeon I felt like I was diving into this strange little world that the designer Mickey Gibbons had created. Never had anything like that kind of experience online besides these Pitchfork cover features, which are pretty captivating - this one in particular was almost unsettling, really well done.
    
    I suppose I’m probably a bit of a music journalism nerd so I’m not approaching it like a regular, give-us-the-facts kind of reader (although the reaction to the format seems pretty much universally positive from what I’ve seen...). So yeah, idk. Agree to disagree etc.
    
    whatisthewhat @Body_In_The_Thames | 1 May '13, 00:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - maybe it's because of the novelty & that this kind of slick treatment is only reserved for a select few
      
      that makes me think it absolutely must be a buy-on
      
      then again, if every online magazine article looked like this it would be a bit Hogwarts
      
      maybe I'm just an old fart
      
      Body_In_The_Thames @whatisthewhat | 1 May '13, 00:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
- “From the first rehearsal, it was very productive— we weren't just there to tell each other we're great,” remembers Milton, who arrives for her one-on-one grilling carrying a copy of The Fountainhead.
  
  really this band is awful and no one should be listening to them
  
  fuckyeahdubstep @whatisthewhat | 1 May '13, 00:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  no-class, georgiabeth, drcoffeebean, and badmanreturns this'd this
  - really trying to overlook this while listening to the music
    
    it's not easy
    
    Body_In_The_Thames @fuckyeahdubstep | 6 May '13, 10:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    JaguarPirate this'd this
Got it playing loud on me' speakers

nice, thick sounding bass and drums. Tis good thus far.

yuggy | 30 Apr '13, 17:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
Anthony Fantano / The Needle Drop

has done a review of it, which I'm watching now, he's a guy I trust quite a lot on opinions, so worth a post here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16QuI9jkn7w

rainmaker | 2 May '13, 23:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
- that guy is such a fucking idiot
  
  alcxxk @rainmaker | 3 May '13, 10:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  Puds, Jordan_229_2, heartworms, ethricdouble, iquitelikeradiohead, and badmanreturns this'd this
  - Lester Wangs
    
    Poke @alcxxk | 3 May '13, 18:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - I can't watch him anymore
      
      i used to quite like it at first but he's such a pompous arseface
      
      yuggy @Poke | 3 May '13, 19:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
this album is really good

Waiting for a Sign is a good song

yuggy | 5 May '13, 14:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
BNM on Pitchfork (8.7)

and it's not even a Laura Snapes review.

BarriElCastell | 6 May '13, 10:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
- good stuff
  
  Laura Snapes was really nice to talk to when I met her, don't get the beeeef
  
  yuggy @BarriElCastell | 6 May '13, 11:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Laura’s lovely.
    
    It’s just a thing people say to be read as, ‘Yeah, LME is well bad mate, privilege and that,’ before going back to ironing their shirts while watching The Wire on a flatscreen TV.
    
    whatisthewhat @yuggy | 6 May '13, 16:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - i think its more to do with the sheer nepotism of the uk music/journo scene than it is anything else
      
      and the fact that people don't REALLY review, they just use a load of shit metaphors
      
      georgiabeth @whatisthewhat | 6 May '13, 17:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      Wakestock and badmanreturns this'd this
      - I’m sure your first point is true to some extent.
        
        But not in Laura’s case afaik (and in any case she’s an excellent writer so it’s irrelevant) which makes it a bit sad and weird when internet people beef with her.
        
        whatisthewhat @georgiabeth | 6 May '13, 17:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i, like many others, can't see how her reviews are insightful
        
        seem incredibly parodic at times. besides, she reviews music consigned within a very narrow palette, of which i have no interest in.
        
        shes successful where others fail to be, and i think that rubs people up the wrong way - these people are not necessarily jealous, they just do not appreciate her schtick.
        
        georgiabeth @whatisthewhat | 6 May '13, 18:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        incandenza_ this'd this
        
        re: irrelevant
        
        every review i've read of hers via this board of her's seems to be of a DiS band or one she's friends with
        
        georgiabeth @whatisthewhat | 6 May '13, 18:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        badmanreturns this'd this
        
        can't write for shit, me
        
        georgiabeth @georgiabeth | 6 May '13, 18:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
- ''OUR GOAL IS TO DISCOVER BETTER WAYS OF LIVING AND EXPERIENCING MUSIC''
  
  oh jesus
  
  JaguarPirate @BarriElCastell | 6 May '13, 17:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
Um

They're alright, I guess. I've no idea why they aren't being derided in the same way editors were by the pitchfork et all press. Who is their pr?

Jordan_229_2 | 6 May '13, 10:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
- it's probably because they are wimmins
  
  and wimmins doing pissed off guitar music is more interesting than men doing it
  
  Body_In_The_Thames @Jordan_229_2 | 6 May '13, 11:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  robellovich this'd this
  - Ah c'mon man
    
    Leave the trolling for the politics threads
    
    Jordan_229_2 @Body_In_The_Thames | 6 May '13, 11:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - I'm not trolling
      
      women doing what they're doing is more interesting than men doing what they're doing because women have done what they're doing significantly less frequently than men
      
      Body_In_The_Thames @Jordan_229_2 | 6 May '13, 11:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      JaguarPirate and alcxxk this'd this
      - nah
        
        derivative music is derivative.
        
        and to let these off the hook for being watered down would be sexist and an insult to all the great women in music.
        
        incandenza_ @Body_In_The_Thames | 7 May '13, 10:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        "more interesting"
        
        relative
        
        alcxxk @incandenza_ | 7 May '13, 10:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I know it's different
        
        I just wanted to shoehorn that point in somewhere. like, musically they're fucking dull shite.
        
        incandenza_ @alcxxk | 7 May '13, 10:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i really like their guitar sounds
        
        think it all just works really well
        
        drummer used to be a pal in the olden days too so i cant be ver objective much
        
        alcxxk @incandenza_ | 7 May '13, 10:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        that's arguable
        
        but since when did we limit the discussion of musical artists purely to their musical output?
        
        also, someone expressing interest in hearing relatively underrepresented voices in a dialogue being told that their interest is just a form of prejudice against that very minority that they're interested in hearing.. is a bit :S
        
        Body_In_The_Thames @incandenza_ | 7 May '13, 10:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        the subtle ~ism of lowered expectations
        
        no?
        
        incandenza_ @Body_In_The_Thames | 7 May '13, 11:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ffs
        
        really?
        
        is that what I said?
        
        Body_In_The_Thames @incandenza_ | 7 May '13, 11:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i got that you were implying that from what you said.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @Body_In_The_Thames | 7 May '13, 11:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        how?
        
        because if you & incandenza think I'm implying lowered expectations because they are women then I'd suggest it's the two of you who are gender prejudiced
        
        Body_In_The_Thames @Jordan_229_2 | 7 May '13, 11:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        remind me again who it was who originally brought the subject of gender up..
        
        i don't care about this band to discuss it further.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @Body_In_The_Thames | 7 May '13, 11:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        tell me how you got that I'm implying lowered expectations..
        
        Body_In_The_Thames @Jordan_229_2 | 7 May '13, 11:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        oh come off it
        
        you're a smart enough person to see how that could easily be interpreted as lowered expectations.
        
        incandenza_ @Body_In_The_Thames | 7 May '13, 17:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        and yet
        
        neither you nor Jordan seem to be smart enough to be able to back up that claim and point me to where I said or implied it
        
        I'm guessing it's because I never said or implied it
        
        Body_In_The_Thames @incandenza_ | 7 May '13, 18:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        the idea that it's somehow more interesting for women to make music
        
        that would be deemed uninteresting if made by men suggests a lowering of standards. (come on).
        
        incandenza_ @Body_In_The_Thames | 7 May '13, 20:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4427427#r7489025
        
        Body_In_The_Thames @incandenza_ | 7 May '13, 21:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - "One is used to artists leading a life that suits them and to citizens turning a blind eye to this. But when a woman does the same, they all open their eyes."
      
      Body_In_The_Thames @Jordan_229_2 | 7 May '13, 09:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Probably because they actually have something to say (whether you're drawn in by it or not)
  
  Whereas Editors were/are just a stadium rock band with a few glum faces. The Bass is miles better in Savages as well.
  
  innisj @Jordan_229_2 | 6 May '13, 16:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - What do they have to say?
    
    Perhaps their management have fed them 'the image' better than editors' management did, but I'm not sure why so many people are being taken in by it.
    
    Jordan_229_2 @innisj | 6 May '13, 17:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - I find it slightly weird that so many people try to attribute Savages’ success to managers, PR campaigns etc.
      
      when there’s really no evidence that they didn’t, you know, figure it out for themselves. If you genuinely want to know what they have to say, I’ll PM you an interview transcript.
      
      Talking about integrity, didn’t you start that thread about Jake Bugg last year?
      
      whatisthewhat @Jordan_229_2 | 6 May '13, 17:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - I started one when he was 17 and unsigned two years ago
        
        I don't think the persona jakes management have given him holds any weight though, if you are suggesting that.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @whatisthewhat | 6 May '13, 17:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
I think the album is incredible.

Editors comparison is lame. This is the real deal - so much invention, and so much anger and frustration.

Seriously - best thing of this kind of heard in years.

sartana | 6 May '13, 15:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
They've picked up some absurdly positive reviews from

surprise surprise, The Quietus
http://thequietus.com/articles/12140-savages-silence-yourself-review
and John Robb
http://louderthanwar.com/savages-silence-yourself-album-review/

I've had it for a couple days, and it's obviously pretty great, let down I think by Strife and No Face crossing the pretentious/silly line and spoiling the uber-seriousness a bit, but on the whole they do what they do really really well

rainmaker | 6 May '13, 22:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Strife is brilliant!
  
  it's all a bit daft.
  
  yuggy @rainmaker | 7 May '13, 10:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Intense
  
  Brilliant live.
  
  marilyninthesky @rainmaker | 7 May '13, 15:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
Editors??

you're kidding me right.

cliquester | 6 May '13, 22:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
- indeed
  
  The Editors have come back as The Mission
  
  avl06 @cliquester | 7 May '13, 11:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
Top trolling from BITT in this thread.

GayGuevara | 7 May '13, 11:57 | X | ^ This | Reply

no-class this'd this
- ITT: top trolling from BITT
  
  no-class @GayGuevara | 7 May '13, 18:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
I was dubious, bordering on hostile

But I'm a 100% convert.

Listening to the album now on beautiful heavyweight clear vinyl.

It's brilliant, really bracing and uncompromising. Not especially original, but at least their influences are good ones and they attack them with commitment and gusto.

bornin69 | 7 May '13, 18:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
- my vinyl should turn up tomorrow i hope
  
  gonna blast dat ting all day, got the day off work
  
  yuggy @bornin69 | 7 May '13, 21:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
I've been listening to little else the last few days.

That's most unlike me - I tend to want to move on to the next thing quickly. It get's stronger with each listen.

sartana | 8 May '13, 10:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
- I seriously rate it...
  
  as one of the strongest debuts from a British band I can think of. Certainly in recent years. Exciting stuff.
  
  sartana @sartana | 8 May '13, 10:19 | X | ^ This | Reply

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