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_TheBeautifulOnes_ [Edit] [Delete] 102 replies 11:58 January 30th, 2013

Inspired by the thread on the new Biffy Clyro album.

Snow Patrol (who were always kinda shit anyway) and Final Straw is the obvious one, isn't it?

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for the record,

I was too young for 'good Biffy' at the time, so I listened to 'Glitter and Trauma' last night, and it was pretty dull.

_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 30 Jan '13, 12:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
- I think they've aged quite badly, now that we all know what they became
  
  I mean, I hardly listen to Biffy these days anyway, but there was a point when they were my favourite band. But I can't really recommend to anyone why then was so much better than now other than "it just was".
  
  The Vertigo of Bliss is still a great album chocked full of amazing songs, but now they're just a more boring and conventional version, and that's all really.
  
  Severed799 @_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 30 Jan '13, 12:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - yep
    
    I find it a bit embarrassing listening to them now, but I used to bum those first three albums so hard as a teenager
    
    Christophales @Severed799 | 30 Jan '13, 14:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I think VOB has aged pretty well
    
    Blackened Sky, not so much
    
    suedehead @Severed799 | 30 Jan '13, 15:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    JaguarPirate, badmanreturns, and chickenbones this'd this
    - I think Blackened Sky has aged the best of the "three good Biffy albums"
      
      probably because, production aside, it's the nearest in sound to the big pop hooks they have now and it has a grungy influence in it that helps keep it slightly detached from the time it was released.
      
      Unless its just because I listened to the other two more at the time so I've tired them out and they remind me too much of my old university house
      
      soapy @suedehead | 30 Jan '13, 16:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - BS sounds pretty cheesy now
        
        VOB still doesn't really sound like anyone else - they really carved their own niche with that one. To me, albums that weren't part of any 'trends' age best, and VOB is one of them.
        
        suedehead @soapy | 30 Jan '13, 16:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
they were never good

just not as popular

triad | 30 Jan '13, 12:12 | X | ^ This | Reply

domgourlay and fiddygent this'd this
TV On the Radio- 'Nine Types of Light'

_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 30 Jan '13, 12:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
- I think you have to give a band a chance to rebound before jumping to conclusions like that
  
  TVOTR certainly have the talent to write another great album.
  
  Severed799 @_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 30 Jan '13, 12:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  twigboyjoe, imho, and funkycow this'd this
  - that said, I loved Dear Science
    
    _TheBeautifulOnes_ @Severed799 | 30 Jan '13, 13:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
- probably now second favourite album by them
  
  yuggy @_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 30 Jan '13, 18:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
Final Straw had some hell of good moments on

Eyes Open, though, was unmitigated shite

brusma | 30 Jan '13, 12:24 | X | ^ This | Reply

JaguarPirate, birls, and Icarus-Smicarus this'd this
- Except the one with Martha
  
  really liked that.
  
  twigboyjoe @brusma | 30 Jan '13, 12:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  Stuzza and JaguarPirate this'd this
  - (The DiS records cut from that track with Martha pretty much funded the Youthmovies album too)
    
    sean @twigboyjoe | 30 Jan '13, 14:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
- agree with this
  
  Spitting Games is still great
  
  plasticniki @brusma | 30 Jan '13, 13:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  JaguarPirate, pichaelmarker, Icarus-Smicarus, and automatik this'd this
- exactly
  
  like Because Of The Times by Kings of Leon, it's one of those occasions were going bigger actually sounds better for the band
  
  JaguarPirate @brusma | 30 Jan '13, 16:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  pichaelmarker this'd this
  - The first three Kings of Leon albums were great
    
    I bet if we could easily look back at comments from the time (I know it's technically possible), you'd find that more people on here felt that way than didn't.
    
    Damian @JaguarPirate | 30 Jan '13, 23:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    JaguarPirate this'd this
and for this thread

Stars - In Our Bedroom, After The War

brusma | 30 Jan '13, 12:25 | X | ^ This | Reply

automatik this'd this
- agreed, BUT:
  
  Bedroom wasn't good at all. But The North has totally won me over, great album.
  
  leskiv @brusma | 30 Jan '13, 17:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Heavily disagree, it had some outstanding songs on it.
  
  pichaelmarker @brusma | 30 Jan '13, 22:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
- The first two tracks, man
  
  Pretty much my favourite start to an album ever. Really sounds like it's going to be their heartbreaking, synth-pop masterpiece.
  
  Then it all goes a bit rubbish :(
  
  automatik @brusma | 31 Jan '13, 02:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Oh and Bitches In Tokyo is wonderful <3
    
    automatik @automatik | 31 Jan '13, 02:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
The Shins - Port of Morrow

rainmaker | 30 Jan '13, 12:28 | X | ^ This | Reply

colon_closed_bracket, JaguarPirate, thehedge, iizcallum, yuggy, chickenbones, and sunstroke_house this'd this
- and i had such high hopes based on Simple Song.
  
  chickenbones @rainmaker | 30 Jan '13, 22:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  sizeofanocean and JaguarPirate this'd this
I think lost it is a pretty strong term...

but there's certainly been albums where an artist has gone out of sync with my tastes - to repeat myself on something i said yesterday, the last 2 phosphorescent albums have been far too country for my tastes but pride was fantastic and i'm really looking forward to the new album as it's heading back in to my taste zone and away from the country. Lots of people didn't like the change apparat made personally i loved it as it alligned perfectly to my tastes at the time.

imho | 30 Jan '13, 12:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
Interpol - Interpol.

plasticniki | 30 Jan '13, 13:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
- agree
  
  what's the attraction, besides a cool name?
  
  theintl @plasticniki | 31 Jan '13, 07:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Always get them mixed up with Snow Patrol, who are also mentioned in this thread
  
  Which ones had the hit song about a dead dog?
  
  CharlieMortdecai @plasticniki | 31 Jan '13, 07:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
Band of Horses

Infinite Arms

Stuzza | 30 Jan '13, 13:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Ha, ha that was the first album I heard by them
  
  Now it's the only one as it certainly didn't inspire me to investigate their back catalogue.
  
  CharlieMortdecai @Stuzza | 31 Jan '13, 07:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - The first two are great
    
    Quite what happened with this I don't know. Shame.
    
    Stuzza @CharlieMortdecai | 31 Jan '13, 09:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
Kings of Leon- 'Only By the Night'

_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 30 Jan '13, 13:17 | X | ^ This | Reply

orangejuice, JaguarPirate, furio, and SCROTUM this'd this
- It's 'Because of the Times' surely?
  
  saps @_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 30 Jan '13, 14:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  sunstroke_house this'd this
British Sea Power - Valhalla Dancehall

Steadily downhill since The Decline IMO, but *really* lost it with that one.

plasticniki | 30 Jan '13, 13:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
The Gaslight Anthem - American Slang

bozo | 30 Jan '13, 13:19 | X | ^ This | Reply

ThirstyDog this'd this
- Nah, that's a great album (though admittedly not as good as 59).
  
  Handwritten isn't bad either.
  
  hip_young_gunslinger @bozo | 30 Jan '13, 15:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I'd say
    
    American Slang is an album that shows that the band had found their sound and niche and were relaxing into it whereas the previous releases all showed progress toward a new sound American Slang and Handwritten both show a band refining and settling. They're not bad or unenjoyable albums but, depending on what 'it' is then you could argue they show that the band have lost their spark maybe.
    
    soapy @hip_young_gunslinger | 30 Jan '13, 15:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    birls and rainmaker this'd this
  - I've tried and tried with both albums,
    
    but get bored after three or four songs. The '59 Sound was much more immediate, and there was a sense of urgency that both later albums have lacked. Handwritten was better than American Slang, but I've just had enough of listening to Brian Fallon singing about listening to his fucking radio.
    
    bozo @hip_young_gunslinger | 30 Jan '13, 15:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
Weezer - Maladroit

plasticniki | 30 Jan '13, 13:20 | X | ^ This | Reply

ThisTemporaryLife this'd this
- I came here to say exactly this.
  
  Good show.
  
  ThisTemporaryLife @plasticniki | 30 Jan '13, 13:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
- nah, one earlier
  
  cat_race @plasticniki | 30 Jan '13, 14:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  ThisTemporaryLife this'd this
  - no fucking way
    
    The Green Album is amazing. I will defend it to the death.
    
    plasticniki @cat_race | 30 Jan '13, 14:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    Teepee_uk, orangejuice, ThirstyDog, and SCROTUM this'd this
- so wrong
  
  Maladroit is probably their strangest/most idiosyncratic album - their Wowee Zowee. Plus the solo on Fall Together is one of Rivers best
  
  JaguarPirate @plasticniki | 30 Jan '13, 16:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  spiritofjazz, badmanreturns, sunstroke_house, emmettcruddas, and chickenbones this'd this
  - The solo on Take Control <3
    
    Maladroit is a great album. Make Believe is unmitigated shite.
    
    badmanreturns @JaguarPirate | 30 Jan '13, 17:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    JaguarPirate and chickenbones this'd this
- Make Believe is blatantly where they lost it.
  
  Green and Maladroit are a step down from the first two obviously, but both are still pretty solid. Make Believe is 80% pure shit.
  
  spiritofjazz @plasticniki | 30 Jan '13, 16:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  JaguarPirate and Annoying_person this'd this
  - they're a great band
    
    if you're 12.
    
    theintl @spiritofjazz | 31 Jan '13, 07:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    Raanraals this'd this
Death Cab for Cutie - Codes & Keys

It was GOOD, but it... just...

It was a record by a sad bastard who just married every nerdy guy's dream girl. What's that guy got to be sad about? Fucking NOTHING. I want him to give me sad bastard music.

Looking forward to the next DCfC record!

ThisTemporaryLife | 30 Jan '13, 13:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
- and that marriage certainly worked out well!
  
  guntrip @ThisTemporaryLife | 30 Jan '13, 14:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  stalecloud this'd this
- really poor album
  
  was properly excited for it too.
  
  chickenbones @ThisTemporaryLife | 30 Jan '13, 22:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Yeah exactly! That marriage was over so damn quick!
  
  I feel like his solo record/retreat back to The Postal Service is a bit of a good sign for the state of the next DCfC record. Codes & Keys is the first one that I didn't obsess over for weeks on end. In fact, I think I stopped listening after I'd written about it.
  
  It's selfish, but I just want my sad bastard musicians to stay angsty, and write me horribly tragic songs. It's why I wish that Aidan Moffat would experience persistent, unending sorrow. Because I want that sorrow to be pressed into records.
  
  ThisTemporaryLife @ThisTemporaryLife | 31 Jan '13, 10:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
Radiohead - OK Computer

Sloame_Ocean | 30 Jan '13, 13:59 | X | ^ This | Reply

TheGrudge this'd this
- do not feed
  
  _TheBeautifulOnes_ @Sloame_Ocean | 30 Jan '13, 14:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  ThisTemporaryLife this'd this
- i'll stand beside you and take the hate Sloame!
  
  TheGrudge @Sloame_Ocean | 30 Jan '13, 14:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Cheers man. Solidarity is the only way we'll keep these fuckers in check.
    
    Sloame_Ocean @TheGrudge | 30 Jan '13, 15:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
green day - dookie

cat_race | 30 Jan '13, 14:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
- *nimrod
  
  orangejuice @cat_race | 30 Jan '13, 15:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - *American Idiot
    
    ThisTemporaryLife @orangejuice | 31 Jan '13, 10:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
Mercury Rev - All is Dream

ThirstyDog | 30 Jan '13, 14:36 | X | ^ This | Reply

sojourner this'd this
- Nah
  
  Secret Migration. All is Dream is a solid record.
  
  Teepee_uk @ThirstyDog | 30 Jan '13, 14:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  sidrrrs, pentargo, mil_c, RockyORourke, and Raanraals this'd this
Mansun - Little Kix

waterwings | 30 Jan '13, 14:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
Smashing Pumpkins - Adore

It's okay in places. But it's where the downward spiral began for Corgan.

Also Ramones - Road to Ruin. Just doesn't hold up to the first 3 albums and they never did anything better than those 3 (It's Alive as an exception)

lovelessrapture | 30 Jan '13, 14:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
- nope sorry
  
  Adore's brilliant.
  
  Severed799 @lovelessrapture | 30 Jan '13, 16:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
Idlewild - Warning/Promises

waterwings | 30 Jan '13, 14:38 | X | ^ This | Reply

badmanreturns and chickenbones this'd this
Muse - Black Holes and Revelations

waterwings | 30 Jan '13, 14:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
Belle and Sebastian - The Life Pursuit

colon_closed_bracket | 30 Jan '13, 15:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Nope
  
  Dear Catastrophe Waitress. Truly appalling album.
  
  ThirstyDog @colon_closed_bracket | 30 Jan '13, 15:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  sunstroke_house and sojourner this'd this
  - Nope
    
    Write About Love. Previous two are great.
    
    orangejuice @ThirstyDog | 30 Jan '13, 15:22 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    mil_c, Damian, automatik, and cameronasi this'd this
  - I dunno, it's not classic B&S but I think it's got its moments
    
    for me:
    the first three albums + EPs: gold
    FYHCYWLAP / storytelling / DCW: patchy but listenable
    TLP / write about love: no thanks
    
    colon_closed_bracket @ThirstyDog | 30 Jan '13, 15:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - the life pursuit is certainly listenable, for what they are tracks like funny little frog, another sunny day and blues are still blue are all terrific. i'm too young to have appreciated any of the earlier records when the came out, though they're my favourite band for what they did between 1996-1998. i think after the 'this is just a modern rock song, ep their early magic was replaced by a polish that's charming but not quite the same, you can see it in [an undeniably great] song like the model, it's great but there's a space to it, that replacing their early bumbling charm. i don't think they've ever made a bad record so it's ahrd to say where they lost it but if pushed i'd say around 'fold your hands ....'
      
      theo @colon_closed_bracket | 30 Jan '13, 23:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Lies
    
    DCW is one of their best, I may be in the minority, but the songs are great, as is the production.
    
    Schadenfreude @ThirstyDog | 30 Jan '13, 17:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Dear Catastrophe Waitress is my favorite B&S album.
      
      It's not as good as Tigermilk, sure, but I love the songs on that album so much more. If She Wants Me is one of my favorite songs by them, or almost any band. And Piazza, New York Catcher too. Good god.
      
      Belle & Sebastian don't make bad records. They just make records that are better and worse than other Belle & Sebastian records.
      
      ThisTemporaryLife @Schadenfreude | 31 Jan '13, 10:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Don't talk shite
    
    pichaelmarker @ThirstyDog | 30 Jan '13, 22:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - they're all pretty great
      
      except for the soundtrack one.
      
      theintl @pichaelmarker | 31 Jan '13, 07:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
Beck - Guero

Though lost it is a bit strong, all his late period albums are quite enjoyable. But his last great album was Sea Change, and since he's sounded a bit like a (pretty decent) early Beck impersonator.

wonton | 30 Jan '13, 15:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
QOTSA - Lullabies to Paralyze

soapy | 30 Jan '13, 15:04 | X | ^ This | Reply

Sarlacc, Severed799, and Comaboy this'd this
Efterklang - Magic Chairs

This would split DiS, but this album sounded like they flipped the MOR switch. Piramida marginally better.

wonton | 30 Jan '13, 15:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
New Order - Republic

Pains me to say it as I'm a MASSIVE fan but this was the point where they lost it, both in terms of musical quality control and in terms of their once closely guarded mystique. Went from not even having their name on their album sleeves to promoting the first single from the album on Baywatch FFS. They've had sporadic moments of brilliance since - Crystal, the title track of WFTSC for example - but they've never been the same band.

ThirstyDog | 30 Jan '13, 15:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
- yep. came in here to post this too
  
  you could make a really great album selecting the tracks released since technique, but not the several albums they have released.
  
  strictly speaking it was from the set of baywatch rather than on baywatch, but yeah, that, football songs, releasing multiple mixes as singles instead of proper non album b sides...
  
  hibster @ThirstyDog | 30 Jan '13, 17:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - OK let's do it
    
    Regret
    Ruined in a Day
    Everyone Everywhere
    Here to Stay
    Crystal
    Behind Closed Doors
    Turn My Way
    WFTSC
    Krafty
    Guilt is a Useless Emotion
    
    Yep, pretty good album that.
    
    ThirstyDog @hibster | 31 Jan '13, 01:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - are you nuts?
    
    World In Motion is 100% class
    
    SCROTUM @hibster | 31 Jan '13, 02:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
Metallica - The Black Album

Puds | 30 Jan '13, 15:20 | X | ^ This | Reply

TheGrudge and CharlieMortdecai this'd this
- blasphemy
  
  soapy @Puds | 30 Jan '13, 16:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
- I totally agree with you Puds.
  
  I quite enjoyed Black on 1st listen, but I don't like it at all now. And Justice... was such a good record.
  
  TheGrudge @Puds | 30 Jan '13, 17:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
Pet Shop Boys - Very

sidrrrs | 30 Jan '13, 15:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Noooooooooooooo!!!!
  
  Very is a fantastic album. Bilingual is where they really lost it, & didn't really get it back until Yes.
  
  ThirstyDog @sidrrrs | 30 Jan '13, 15:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - It's been 20 years, I'll give it another listen
    
    sidrrrs @ThirstyDog | 30 Jan '13, 16:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
nofx - the decline

cat_race | 30 Jan '13, 16:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
- hilariously
  
  cat_race @cat_race | 30 Jan '13, 16:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
Lil Wayne - Rebirth

He (and Cash Money Records) are slowly becoming the Ed Hardy of rap

stalecloud | 30 Jan '13, 16:47 | X | ^ This | Reply

ThisTemporaryLife this'd this
- It has been so long since he made a good record, I'm having trouble defending him anymore.
  
  It's sad that he hasn't made a properly good record in five years.
  
  ThisTemporaryLife @stalecloud | 31 Jan '13, 10:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
Jimmy Eat World - Futures

badmanreturns | 30 Jan '13, 17:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
- i don't think they lost it as such
  
  but i do think, after Clarity they suffered massively from diminishing returns, but then they would, Clarity's near perfect.
  
  chickenbones @badmanreturns | 30 Jan '13, 22:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - why is that first comma there, there shouldn't be a comma there
    
    there
    
    chickenbones @chickenbones | 30 Jan '13, 23:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Difficult to say with Jimmy, because my tastes began to change a fair bit
  
  in the gap between Futures and Chase This Light, and that change had been so big that I don't even know if there have been any releases since Chase This Light. But I really liked Futures at the time and still have a soft spot for a few tracks from it. Chase This Light, however, is unlistenable. Maybe it's because it doesn't come with nostalgia.
  
  Futures wasn't as good as Bleed American or Clarity, even at the time, but I wouldn't put it down as the point of no return.
  
  DanielKelly @badmanreturns | 31 Jan '13, 11:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
Simple Minds - Once Upon A Time

TheGrudge | 30 Jan '13, 17:38 | X | ^ This | Reply

wj_gibson this'd this
Public Enemy - Muse Sick-n-Hour Mess Age

Sloame_Ocean | 30 Jan '13, 17:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
Minus the Bear

OMNI
Planet of Ice is one of my favourites, i rinsed that SO HARD. But OMNI's just so so bad.
:/

chickenbones | 30 Jan '13, 22:40 | X | ^ This | Reply

waterwings and chickenlover this'd this
Oasis - Be Here Now

and, no coincidence:
NME - 1997

friday55 | 30 Jan '13, 23:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
Oasis - (What's The Story) Morning Glory

Definitely Maybe was a great album, hard as it is to recall that now. Everything since has been horrible. And that includes Morning Glory. Wonderwall and Don't Look Back In Anger were rightly outed as dirges at the time by people that reviewed them... only for them to do an about face when people started singing them, and kept singing them.

This assessment goes as far as "Standing On The Shoulder..." because after that I couldn't even bring myself to listen, so maybe they became ace again. The singles would suggest not.

Damian | 30 Jan '13, 23:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Heathen Chemistry = 2nd best Oasis album
  
  Sloame_Ocean @Damian | 31 Jan '13, 02:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
REM - Chronic Town

I liked them until then.

wj_gibson | 31 Jan '13, 08:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
Depeche Mode - Ultra

They were on an upward trajectory until Ultra, and then they dropped the ball. Subsequent records had peaks but I could never be bothered to listen to them all the way through after Songs of Faith and Devotion.

funkycow | 31 Jan '13, 09:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
The Cure

Wild Mood Swings, although I can listen to Bloodflowers and enjoy it.

Raanraals | 31 Jan '13, 10:39 | X | ^ This | Reply

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