Mainstream british guitar music needs a bloody hard kick up the arse
There, got your attention with that cringeworthy thread title.
But seriously, why is it that all of the NME etc's choices for the band too supposedly "take guitar music back into the mainstream are so fucking shite? Why is it that they all have to be twenty three year olds who all look the fucking same from Camden or Shoreditch or wherever the fuck is supposedly some kind of trendy area of fucking London? Why is it that they all have to shove so much fucking reverb on their slightly distorted guitars?
Every year the same. The Vaccines, Spector, Palma Violets. Where does it end? Like, seriously, all of them are just as dull as the supposed shit that has taken its place.
(Just a thing: this is not a thread about the subtler, cleverer or whatever bands that have achieved success recently. Whatever you think of the likes of Alt J, The xx etc, this is not what my juvenile ramblings are railing against Nor am I on about some of the criminally underexposed and underplayed by radio acts that DiS and pitchfork (rightly) champions like Japandroids and Cloud Nothings. I'm talking about the NME's quest for "real rock and roll" to gatecrash the charts or whatever.)
I think part of the problem is that for some reason over the last decade or so these kind of people who keep calling for the great white hopes of rock music have lost touch with half of rock music itself. The gap between the NME readerships tastes and the readership of publications that cover heavier things has massively widened. A decade ago, stuff like Hundred Reasons and Reuben got shitloads of attention alongside The Strokes and The Libertines. But now in terms of new bands, there seems to be a massive gap in the market for an emotionally literate band with huge, catchy hooks that isn't afraid to use powerchords and distortion to help aid their quest for world domination. The kind of bands championed by publications such as kerrang in this vein aren't really up to much either. Pop-punk seems to have dug itself into an overproduced, whiny rut where the only influences bands are allowed to have are Foo Fighters and Fall Out Boy.
Don't you think the state of guitar music would be so much better if publications stopped looking for the new Libertines or You Me At Six and started looking for the next Ash, a band that would quite easily fit between the two demographics? "Real rock and roll" doesn't have to be dull as fuck. It doesn't have to be new, innovative, big, or clever, just something different to the shit that they've been plugging for the last 4 years or so. I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact that 1977 is a far superior album than What Did You Expect From The Vaccines, yet in todays climate far more influence is being taken from the latter.
If on the off chance any of you aren't either ignoring this post or laughing at my idiocy, I'd be happy to start a band playing this kind of stuff with anyone. Perhaps if it took off and people started agreeing with me, Jake Bugg would no longer be the face of up and coming mainstream rock. And don't try and tell me the world wouldn't be a better place for it.
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DINGUS KHAN
FOR FUCKSSSSAKE
i'm never going to stop
Ash?
These are not the droids you're looking for.
The problem is that you're reading those publications, clearly, or else you wouldn't know that's what they're doing.
The fact you're reading them shows you why they bother putting this sort of stuff out.
Articles about the next great guitar band are the music press equivalent of Cosmo doing an article on how to get a boyfriend. And people will read it.
And the bands are always like that because they're aimed at 16 year olds and that's what they want to see.
Precisely
Just like what you like and stop worrying whether NME like it too. NME can't win anyway, it always used to be the problem that NME was basically a beginners guide to good alternative music so all these twats would read one issue, turn up at quality gigs and get their fucking phones out to video it rather than actually get involved. If NME's now leading them away to dogshit like the Vaccines I'm frankly a lot happier.
The next Ash?
No thanks.
I'm old
It's amazing how well the NME etc manage to convinve new young music fans coming through that there is a problem that needs solving by getting a proper haircut and playing Kinks or Beatles inspired indie. But there isn't a problem. Everything is fine. Just don't read those magazines.
I know there isn't a problem
Its just for some reason I get irked by their supposed "solutions" all being shit and me having to listen to them on radio etc for the next year.
If they just sound like the Trailer EP
then I'm on board.
Otherwise I think one Ash is probably enough.
Agree
But think it's because we're all getting a little older. When The Libertines & Strokes were about (little bit before my time, I was 12/13 & listening to a mix of Limp Bizkit & hip-hop), I imagine you were in your 'peak' and these were lifechanging tunes. Same with me when Arctic Monkeys came along.
Now these bands mean the same to the 15/16 year-olds, and because we've moved on slightly, they seem really, really shit.
They are shit though. Especially Spector, the frontman is a right twat.
Because what people value often more than music is feeling part of a movement
It's why we follow football teams not players.
I should know about this, it's fucking aimed at me. Indie kids who've not quite stopped thinking <<pop=shite>> and guitar music is 'true music'. I've been to see both Palma Violets and Peace in the last month. As a result of the NME <<saviours of rock'n'roll>> thing these have both been absolutely brilliant gigs, despite Palma's only having 2&1/2 good songs, (Peace are better, but not from London so don't get quite the same thing). Almost everyone there was there because of the NME cover, and really really wanted to believe in it all. We all got ourselves up for it, and made it into an amazing gig.
Then when the first albums come out, and there'll be a few gems amongst a lot of indie-by-numbers, the shine'll gradually fade, and we'll forget about them as we get older and get into the bands that these guys try to imitate (Pixies, Joy Division) or more thoughful stuff (Flying Lotus, The Radioheads).
It sells the nme copies, and gives the yoof something that feels like more than what music is, entertainment. It's why poor Jake Bugg gets trapped by NME journos into saying X Factor is crap, so that fans can feel like it's an adventure and not just a bit of fun.
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I don't know whether he thinks it's edgy to go against X Factor
Or he thinks that making something sound like it was from the 50s is the 'tru-music' alternative to overproduced pop.
Bwa haha ahahahaahaaah
Sorry. I'm still enjoying the bit about trying to find 'the new Ash'. :'D
strong posting
outstanding.
this is 100 per cent right, and exactly why, although it may be annoying, the NME hype machine works long term.
Hmmmm
But surely we've all experienced the thing of going to a gig/buying an album/hearing a song and WANTING it to be good and basically kidding yourself into it, only to end up bitterly disappointed and cynical? Good bands are good, mediocre bands are mediocre, I'm not convinced that pretending otherwise is ever going to be a good thing.
but this is true of all products
not just music
but you can pass through these fads collectively and still get something from the collective experience - more so with music than other products
what I mean to say is
participating collectively in music is part of what makes the product appealing, whether that be going to an Ash gig or reading the NME and complaining about it on the internet
Yeah, which is why I sometimes think 'hmmmm, nu metal wasn't such a bad thing, at least it brought people together'
but then I remember how shit nu metal was.
I'm not saying these bands are bad, at all.
Like I said those two bands have some absolutely cracking songs, and are great live (although that was due to audience quite a bit).
The point is feeling part of a movement.
The point is that (in your opinion) the bands have some 'absolutely cracking songs and are great live'
That doesn't sound like something that needs movement, that just sounds like some good bands.
I think what Rainmaker is saying, is that you can like a band in the moment
even though you know that they're not a particularly amazing band that you'll be listening to for the rest of your life. That's why popular music is the most accessible art form, cos the listener can actually enter that world as a fan.
It's the easy way in- aged 14-15 you believe the hype of a daft indie band, slowly get sucked into music, aged 17 you start to want more from music which is when you get into all your Neutral Milk Hotel US inde rock standards, then as a student you branch out into electronic music or post rock etc, and perhaps as you get older you get into the real middle-highbrow Wire magazine stuff. Obviously I'm generalising massively, I just mean that disposable indie rock provides a great entry point for loads of people. Not everyone can have parents or older siblings or friends with extensive music knowledge and record collections.
A few good songs doesn't a good band make, but if they have a great live show, aesthetic etc etc they can still be really exciting and worthy of spending time on. And you never know, they could evolve into something worthwhile- just look at The Horrors for example. Not a huge fan, but they managed to evolve from their flash in the pan, style over substance beginnings. Maybe Palma Violets will do the same.
Ash were fantastic
*are fantastic
They are/were pretty damn succesful
no 1 albums, headlining festivals etc
And post of their later stuff shows they can do more than juvenile punk stuff.
*most
Just in time
Courteeners are back, Radio 1 from 7pm tonight
hurrrrrrr
I think they said in an interview it was a bit of a reaction to dour music around at the time
plus they were like 13 when they formed the band so wrote about teenage stuff.
cloud nothings
are from cleveland!
rock on england!
guitar music is dead. only dads still listen to guitar music
tell that to Civil Civic sugartits
What a ludicrous thing to say
go back to 2K11, grandpa
Man has a good
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