obscure artists who will surely come to be recognised as all-time greats
I'm gonna have to go for Nina Nastasia. The last time I saw her in a bar in London she played a straight-up devastating version of Untitled and I just thought...what is she doing here? Perhaps I'm being naive, but how the fuck has she not crossed over?
I suppose you could say her voice is too intense for mainstream consumption, but Polly Harvey moves in a similar area and she sold out the Albert Hall in three and a half minutes or something. Is this really so challenging?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeH5WKaR6pA
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that band wot Mick Squalor's in
cheers.
Jonny Foreigner?
Los Campesinos?
Craine?
Was going to say Johnny Foreigner
If LC! never get massive
I will consider my life wasted.
No joke.
I think it's called Cementimental
DINGUS KHAN
there, i said it
Joanna Newsom
I think she's kind of already on the way to being a living legend
Deservedly so of course.
tape her mouth shut
please
in the age of the internet obscurity is obselete
This almost sounds smart, but what does it mean?
Stuff is no longer more or less well-known than other stuff?
it requires the same effort to go from an empty google field to Michael Jackson's Beat It video
than it does to go to Arab Strap's (Afternoon) Soaps video (to give one example)
That's not to say that they have the same cultural significance as one another or the same popularity but accessing the past in the age of the internet means that something is either there or it isn't - a search engine will never take 3 months to find something and report back that it was an almost impossible task
obscurity is thus obsolete
Yeah I suppose I knew what you meant
But I think we’re talking ‘obscure’ in the sense of music that, for one reason or another, is less likely to be searched for in the first place.
actually, no
obscurity is more overwhelming than ever before, since any band is competing with all of history's other bands.
haven't they always been?
now so more than ever
didn't you read 'Retromania'?!?!1!!one
because the INTERNET and everything at your fingertips.
Retromania?
you mean The Long Tail?
Cardiacs
if there's any bloody justice in the world.
they'll always be a cult band
It would be nice if a lot more people could appreciate that kind of music, but not gonna happen.
weeeey
Knew they'd be one of the first five anawers
I would be your man, you would be my girl.
in relative terms, Low
Vatican Shadow/Prurient
you nuts
British Sea Power
Quite suprising how few people have heard of them given they've sold out venues like the Roundhouse in the past.
I was aware they existed for about 5 years before I actually saw them live and became a fan.
I blame their stupid-ass name
It's why I'd never even bothered to youtube them until I saw the respect they got here.
I would have agreed with this 8 years ago
so, so sad how bland that band turned out to be :(
Martini Henry Riffles.
They were great when they had a proper drummer rather than a machine.
mark
kozelek
so very true
spends ten years in RHP playing awesome indie music when indie is in, then another ten years playing awesome acoustic led music when folky stuff comes in. And still he's not that well known!
very
pleased to meet you.
Shield Your Eyes
they're just depressingly awesome, knock out an album a year, no sign of slowing down
There's no way Low and British Sea Power are "obscure artists".
And Joanna Newsom is pushing it...
everything's relative
^This
Newsom filled the Glasgow Royal Concert Hall. Which doesn't feel very obscure to me.
Outside of the insulated world of DiS they are
That's definitely not true for BSP.
Do You Like Rock Music charted at #10 in the UK and #5 in the US, and they've had numerous Top 40 singles. I'm by no means saying they're massive, but for a while they were pretty well known.
#5 on the "Heat Seekers" chart
of fast rising but low selling stuff
I heard low's just like christmas in my local poundland on saturday. They probably crop up in really mainstream magazines like q and uncut, probably make it into a fair few best of lists each year they have an album, and are probably the most well known acti in their sub genre. The average person on the street may not have heard of them but they probably wouldnt have heard of the all time great film makers, painters etc either.
I dont think many of the bands mentioned can really count as obscure as they are well regarded and successful in their area, I think to be really obscure they would have to be realitively unknown even amongst people into that kind of thing
outside the insulated world of people that like that sort of music
would be more accurate
thre are lots of people that dont post on dis that are fully aware of all of these bands
that was to icarus smicarus
not to thingsthatfly
i agree with ttf
they ain't shit outside the UK.
so yeah.
Shudder to Think
Very influential band, who barely put a foot wrong. Their sound was ahead of their time.
last night i saw deerhoof again
and i really can't understand why they're not bigger
pisspoor name
i always get them confused with deerhunter
the vast majority of band names are shite
New Black Bear F*cker Club & Th' 1967 Little Red Cold Young Crystal Deer Bells
shite
have you heard the singing?
Wonderful band, but can totally see why they haven't broken into the mainstream
it's a fair point i suppose.
but they're like one of the absolute champion bands. it hurts me that people are stupid
Assuming we mean obscure in the broad sense:
Then I think the obvious answer is Joanna Newsom.
There are plenty of other talented, under-appreciated people, but I think there is every chance that Ys and Have one on me will be judged up there with Cohen, Dylan, Blue-era Joni Mitchell etc as singular feats of songwriting.
Shack
if they were still making albums like Waterpistol I'd agree
They've made 4 amazing albums
since Waterpistol.
they lost me at Here's Tom With The Weather
It was like they deliberately aimed at being the humdrum dadrock band their detractors always thought they were.
Dadrock? I feel for you :(
Here's Tom... is a brilliant album. Its a little more laid back and melodic than their other stuff but has some gorgeous songs on it. Listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEO7V10JbI
how is that a patch on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNiSAoU-hE
check out our imperious debating skills
You're trippin'!
Here's Tom is my favourite Shack album, in fact it's my favourite album by anyone so far this century. Every song a killer. Really can't see how it can be described as dadrock, unless the likes of Love, Burt Bacharach & Nick Drake are dadrock acts.
I dunno, kids
I think a lot of these acts are gonna stay fairly close to their current levels of success/esteem.
Low? Exactly how big and critically slavered over do you think they're gonna get?
I'm talking about a point in the future where people say "I can't BELIEVE you saw Band X in Venue Y!!!!!" in reference to the current state of play.
I totally agree about Joanna being an all-time great but I kind of feel like we're at the point where anybody who isn't a dingbat already knows she is.
Couldn't agree with the OP more, NN has been consistently great for
over ten years. Sharon Van who?
the thing that does my head in is that Nina was playing on the New York scene for years before Dogs
God to have been there!
Connan Mockasin for me
His debut album will be getting BBC4 esque documentaries as a classic album of it's time.
yeah was pretty sensational
and not like anything else I've ever heard
although 'dolphin' and 'choade' tower over the rest imo, that's the secrets-of-the-universe shit right there
Maybe The National
Maybe of Montreal, Future of the Left, Smog, the Wrens, Cat Power, Patrick Wolf, Jeff Lewis, Bat for Lashes, Warpaint, Wild Beasts.
Probably none of the above. It’s especially hard to spot a timeless artist as those kind of types are necessarily something other than ‘relevant’. Hence all ^those^ already being fairly established as known entities of cultness/whatever.
The National already are, surely?
Outside of the insulated world of DiS they aren't
The National are huge, especially in the States
Not convinced
In Canada they’re less well-known than, say, The xx - let alone R.E.M or the Pixies or something.
the rem
They charted in the UK
Top 5
Cat Power definitely
Records like Moon Pix and What Would the Community think have a real timeless quality about them.
I remember seeing an interview with Matt Berninger where he said Cat Power's probably the most influential artist of his generation.
John Frusciante
He's been making pretty interesting stuff for years.
Of course, he is known as a former member of one of the world's biggest bands, with his guitar work heralded therein.
I mean as an artist in his own right.
I've always thought he was too weird for the mainstream but his background has made him to mainstream for others who won't listen because he was in RHCP.
Mansun
banned
agreed except they had a number one album
Oops
They aren't well known outside of the UK so perhaps one day they'll be recognized worldwide
I've never actually listened to Mansun, or known anyone who listened to them.
Jay Retard is becoming such a name post death, at least from what I've noticed.
A shame no-one replied to this;
Fucking amazing songwriter. Fantastic pop songs about the most morbid and horrible of subjects. He was a genius.
Dan Bejar
/Destroyer
correct
eeewwwwww
urp
maybe Bill Callahan?
yeah definitely
it's bizarre, he should be a cult icon, every record he releases should be an 'event', but his records hardly get any attention, or at least nowhere near what they deserve. I didn't see Apocalypse in any end of year lists last year, despite it being amazing.
I think his last two albums have been the strongest of his career, but they'll never get the acclaim that Smog albums do because they don't have a clear aesthetic in the same way.
Ikara Colt, on account of being brilliant.
Jonathan Fire*Eater, on account of being a proto-Strokes.
Cay, on account of being the lost band that never really was, and can never reform.
yeah, I'm gonna stick my neck out and say that Ikara Colt and Jonathan Fire*Eater will NEVER be considered "all-time greats"
Not heard Cay.
!
Of all the suggestions in the thread you coulda chosen to be so very unequivocal about...
not sure if any of these will get that kind of recognition
not above the level they reach in their time.
Jason Molina
A fantastic body of work. Probably didn't do himself any favours with changing the name of his band as well as collaborations and solo albums. A tragic tale, a masterpiece to his name ('The Magnolia Electric Co.') I've never met anyone who has heard it who doesn't think that albums great, even my AFI/Marilyn Manson fan ex girlfriend from 6 years ago. I'd love him to get better, and have another shot.
i was gonna say molina
his last few albums have been shockers though.
no way, he was turning out great songs right up to his health crisis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGqOWRMeWFc
:D thats my favourite song of his actually
think its the only one bar 'the black ram' thats more than decent from his last five or six.
must I batter you into submission with links??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhqB_4b7HVQ
..
In light of today's news, I have spent the evening exploring much of Molina's work that I hadn't heard before. If I could 'this' the post again, I would.
This is literally the saddest submission I've seen since Cronin revived a Sparklehorse thread after Mark Linkous' death.
TV on the Radio
will be/are canonised but not obscure obscure though.
Xiu Xiu? Gang Gang Dance? Burial's there already. Titus Andronicus? Liars? St Vincent?
are GBV obscure?
if so, Pollard.
R.Stevie.Moore
Paul Potts
*Pol Pot
Peppermint Apes.
British sea power are anything but bland
but I'd have to say Luke Haines, especially his solo stuff. He'll be well admired after his death.
Daniel Johnston
^ probably already recognised as great
The Brian Jonestown Massacre
there's a lot going on in those there songs
Cousteau
Simply cannot believe a band with so much class & so many great songs were allowed to remain in obscurity. I hope at some point in the next 50 years they will be rediscovered & people will be baffled that they never played arenas.
Is this the thread we post our soundcloud links to?
I will never be able to fathom why JJ72 didn't become the biggest band in the world
In 20 years I To Sky will be held in the same breath as Kid A
:D
maybe david thomas broughton
i've g0t an0ther 0ne... Will 0ldham
ISAD al0ne should mean he is ranked as one 0f the m0st incredible s0ng writers ever.
I, sad?
Linguo IS sad
Jens Lekman?
maybe not an All Time Great but his songs are catchy and easy enough to listen to that he should probably be more popular (outside of Sweden) than he is.
I know what you mean
in the future I reckon his songwriting will be seen to be head and shoulders above that of all the other artists who inhabit that 'indietracks' sort of world.
Always suprised Seafood never not bigger
I mean if Biffy Clyro can get massive they should have been able to. Esp since they were prob more accessable than early Biffy.
Tim Ten Yen
trail of the dead
Loose the the pal.
I guess if he loosened it it would eventually fall off
might save time to just lose it
Perhaps
he means Trail of Dead sound like a loose The The.
I dont think anyone will be recognised as all time greats in the future, so much easier to hear more artists now, and vastly diminished importance and influence of music crticim, or atleast alot more sources so it, loads of acts will be very well regarded in their niches but I don't think there will be acts that make it huge and still have enough critical aclaim to reach all time great status. I reckon the last band that achieved it were radiohead and they are from well before the internet era
Radiohead
facepalm
this lot
http://www.factmag.com/2012/12/04/stream-facts-3-reissue-of-2012-ruff-sqwads-white-label-classics-in-full/
also
probably a bunch of drum & bass stuff
aphrodite & moving shadow stuff will be rediscovered by a future generation I'm sure and people will marvel at their skills will a sampler, a pc world desktop & windows '95
*Amiga and Octamed
deal with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVSe9DubE8
http://youtu.be/gSj92M0N65M
Well a lot of it depends how long the band goes on for
The quicker decent bands split or die the easier it is to class them as all-time greats.
The Twang
The Feeling
If there is to be any justice,
the answer to this thread is Mark Eitzel.
Plush
Filthy Turd
Amanda Palmer
is a twat
She probably is.
Doesn't mean she won't also be recognised as being an all-time great.
her terrible music does tho
Alright, Albini.
Tracy Is Hot & The Clap
FELT
although they get more recognition these days, felt still remain woefully under-appreciated.
Hype Williams
Definitely one of the best contemporary groups around
Inga Copeland
looks like she might concentrate more and more on her solo material, and what she's put out so far is very special. she has this sweet distinctive voice that isn't too divisive and she has bags of attitude. She could go places.
we are the physics
Super Furry Animals
Thomas Feiner & Anywhen
Dan Melchoir
Galaxie 500
Matthew E White
Deerhoof, Jeffrey Lewis, R Stevie Moore
to repeat a few from above
The Olivia Tremor Control
Codeine, The Mountain Goats, Sleater-Kinney, Titus Andronicus, Bo Ningen
On an already 'bigger' scale, hopefully Guided By Voices and Hot Chip
I read on here recently that Patrick Stickles still lives with his parents.
Titus Andronicus are one of the best bands I've ever heard, and they put on an unfuckwithable show. It is absolute bullshit that they aren't playing sold-out shows in upper-midsized venues everywhere.
(I would say "sold-out shows in arenas" but they do not fit there)
Spencer Krug
Phil Elverum
It's interesting to think about the likes of The Velvet Underground or maybe Joy Division
in terms of how much of a lasting influence they had compared to their contemporary impact. Trying to pick out modern equivalents is pretty much blind guess work though so I'll shut up.
Deerhunter
Very obvious answer: James Blake