Scott Walker - Bish Bosch
so, have people heard it yet?
what do people think of it?
i saw it given a 6/10 by CMG. it's definitely not that low, but i'm not sure its the AOTY contender i thought it would be. i just don't know how to approach it yet.
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haven't summoned the courage yet
maybe soon
Yes, had it a while.
Review coming on DiS early next week. That CMG score isn't far off the money...
I'd want to score it high
Just because its peaks - and there's a fair few of them - are absolutely incredible and I doubt I'll ever tire of them.
But definite stretches of it are too slight, and it seems wrong to say it's amazing when in reality only half is. Still, acceptable filler among flashes of genuine individual genius is fine in my book.
i am genuinely confused as to how somebody can sit through it
it's not in any way enjoyable
I have no problem
I can listen to Tilt and The Drift quite easily and I imagine it will be the same with this album eventually. Once you've listened to them dozens and dozens of times they do get a lot easier! And, yes, I do enjoy them very much.
because sometimes art is challenging
and makes you feel uncomfortable and isn't always light entertainment. I list to Drift all the time. I find it mesmerizing, intense and brilliant. I've heard two songs from the new one and they sounded amazing.
wow man thanks for letting me know that art can be challenging i hadn't considered that
Correct, though to be fair
your initial comment was pretty inane.
yeah what i said would have been way less inane
if i wrote a few paragraphs detailing why i was bored by it
It's hard to judge the stuff he does these days wihtout listening to it loads first
especially this album because there's just so much packed into it, lyrically and musically. My impressions at the moment are it's weaker then The Drift and definitely Tilt, which is one of the greatest albums ever. It's a lot more.....theatrical, albeit not quite Starlight Express. I think I preferred it when the humour was more deadpan and the music a little more restrained. That said, there's some stunning parts on it. And Epizootics! has to be the best song of the year. It just sounds so good.
I've only heard Epizootics
and it's fucking awesome. Musically it could easily have come off Tom Waits' Real Gone (no surprise given that Scott has spoken of his admiration for Tom in the past) and hearing Scott's voice singing "Take that in the bollocks for a start" is possibly my musical moment of 2012.
Is there a stream to the whole album somewhere?
Great Guardian interview here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/nov/23/scott-walker-interview
first track is amazing
rest didn't make too much impression on one listen
here's a nice little interview i did with Scott's percussionist/meat-puncher Alasdair Malloy
for a wee insight into the recording process;
http://www.contactmusic.com/interview/alasdair-malloy-nov-2012
where is this 6/10 on CMG?
turns out it was another site
*shrugs*
thought it was weird, since CMG have dropped ratings
also I really fucking hope it's better than a 6/10
this is really good
i kept trying to get into the drift and getting bored
were you lying naked face down
on your bathroom floor on codeine at 4am?
no
ah, there ya go then
I made it through a track and a half before I had to turn it off.
When people say something like this
I'm interested what other stuff they listen to. your profile doesn't say. Do you listen things which are also 'difficult'? Or not? Though I suppose what can be 'difficult' to one person is not to another. This is not a criticism, by the way. Just interested whether it's not the sort of thing you might normally go for or whether there's something particular about Mr Walker and/or his music you don't like.
I listen to plenty of music that one may consider 'difficult'
But it certainly doesn't make up the majority of my listening habits. I really have to be in the mood for something like this. If I'm having a bit of an aggravating day then I usually find it a bit too much.
Now I've given it a bit more of my time, it's brilliant.
You've seen the light!
Or should that be the dark?
album is pretty metal
Ok so this is great
So many good lines. Pretty aggressive sounding. Will be listening much in the next wee while to see where it figures in my top-10.
Haven't heard this yet...
...but Scott Walker's probably the only person making challenging, obtuse and abrasive music that I can actually bare listening to. He's wonderful.
Farmer in the City is, quite simply, one of the most beautiful things I have ever heard.
Farmer In The City is one of the greatest songs ever
from one of the greatest albums ever. I love the way that, in many ways, it sounds quite ridiculous, but is still so austere and beautiful. It made me realise that something can be absurd and sublime and that actually that CAN work and be a good thing.
so, out today. what say you?
the guardian have given it 2/5
around a quarter of the review is just quotes from the album's mini-site.
I think that was the Observer review....or a second review
I'm sure that Petridis gave it 4/5 last week.
surprising how much fun this album is
just expected bleak, dark, but it's pretty rockin' in places
DiS Review;
drownedinsound.com/releases/17371/reviews/4145807
agree? DiSagree? don't care?
needs the http
http://drownedinsound.com/releases/17371/reviews/4145807
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wellll
ummmm
pffff
idk'
To be fair
I don't really think Dom was the right person to review it. Not because he didn't like it so much as it's clearly so outside his comfort zone he simply doesn't know what to think of it much less how to write about it, and is clearly disinclined to wade into the quagmire of references throughout. Not one of his finest reviews, all told.
After spending 2 weeks with it I'm inclined to agree
Hopefully me and 'Bish Bosch' will never meet again!
See, I'm with you in that
I very much adore Scott's late 60s work - Scotts 1-4 are masterpieces of baroque symphonic pop; but I also really enjoy his modern output. Tilt was something of a revelation when I heard it, 'Farmer in the City' being one of the most atmospheric, disturbing yet utterly moving songs I've ever heard.
Bish Bosch is jarring and unearthly from minute one and is largely bereft of any classical sense of beauty; it seems to be an album about appreciating ugliness - melodically, aesthetically and morally. I find it vertiginous to listen to; I feel waves of nausea like I'm at a great height, staring down into a pit of waste struggling with a compulsion to step off my perch and fall in. I'm an illustrator with a deep rooted desire to contrast or blend extremes like beauty and decay, love and ugliness. What I feel Walker has done on Bish Bosch is create the sound of sublime sickness.
It's certainly one of the most divisive records I've encountered in recent years
People either seem to really love it or simply not get it in the slightest. Sadly I'm with the latter!
You say in the review that you own 3 Whitehouse albums
I find this interesting, as I'd say Whitehouse are much more "challenging", and that they sound much more like "a pneumatic drill ripping through concrete" than Bish Bosch does.
I had a recount earlier in the week and it's actually 4
The Hospitals I own 3, but anyway...
Dom, you seem like a guy who was disturbed and aggravated by the album
and in turn was disturbed and aggravated by being disturbed and aggravated!
I'm surprised
nobody has yet pointed out that Bish Bosch rhymes with Piss Tosh
Erm......except it doesn't
Pish Tosh you probably should have said. BUT NOW IT'S TOO LATE!