Vinyl was / is the ultimate format. No?
MP3's may be handy but goodbye music collection when your hard drive fails. C.D.'s embodied the money grabbing big labels and look awful. Vinyl is there to hold and remind you of where you were and what you were doing when your cherished music (whatever it is) as released.
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// MP3's may be handy but goodbye music collection when your hard drive fails. //
Ever heard about backup? 2 external HDDs are enough.
What if a meteor impact or something fried all the electrical equipment in the world eh?
You just might be able to get that new Antlers EP going on a gramophone
Well, that meteor could land in your head. And then, the Antlers EP vinyl will become useless for you. :)
Would you really want to listen the the Antlers
after a meteor-induced apocalypse?
I'm in for a panning here clearly
i'm more likely to have my record collection stolen
than to lose it all on the hard drive. mainly because hard drives very rarely just suddenly wipe everything; bit of work and you can retrieve basically anything.
Vinyl = old, dated, unreliable, too big, like an old gramophone disc. Scratches and dust, goodbye audio fidelity. A history relic for snobs.
Unreliable?
Snobs? Really?
That reads as just a bit harsh.
Sorry, but I hate them.
Unreliable = the audio quality is not the same everytime you play the vinyl. With each play it gets slightly worse.
With a digital file is sounds the same even after 10000000000000 plays. That's a reliable quality.
what utter shit are you talking. What are you using for a needle,
a six inch nail ?
Not but there are a lot of audiophile losers that claim the extraordinary audio quality of a vinyl. This thing wears gradually with each listen. Even 0.0001% loss in quality/listen is enough to shut the mouth of these audiophiles.
Is vinyl for unreliable slobs?
No.
Why do people always say CDs look awful anyway?
They don't. They're just little records.
jewel cases are a bit cheapy looking (and feeling)
Na, they're ace
And replaceable!
Said it before and I'll say it again...
...remove booklet, put CD inside it and place in one of these : http://www.corporate-media.co.uk/products/CD-WALLETFLAP.png
Et voila, mini-vinyl.
Admit it, they're just too small
and you like looking at big things.
so does yer ma
Vinyl sounds fantastic.
It does. A vinyl collection can look like a work of art. Maybe that makes me a "snob" (not at all). A CD collection looks primed for a car boot sale and an MP3 collection is just an application (granted it's handy but come on!).
A CD collection allows you to read the album titles and artist name from the spine
Vinyl collections are indecipherable most of the time.
(PS I like vinyl, but it doesn't sound any more fantastic than CDs or mp3s)
If you'd told my 16-yr old vinyl-loving self
that one day I would be able to store my entire music collection on a device the size of a fag packet, and carry it with me everywhere I go, I'd have creamed myself so copiously and at such length that I'd have been on rehydration fluids for a week.
Sure, a vinyl collection looks good but I don't look at music, I listen to it, and anything that makes that process easier & more convenient is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
no, they're just bigger
It's not the ultimate format because they are hard to back up
difficult to transport
take up a lot of storage space
and you even need to flip over the record mid album (and don't you dare romanticise this, this is a format flaw and you KNOW it)
for sound, yes.
Depends.
You can't get really good dynamic stuff on vinyl because at the quieter end it gets swamped in background noise.
Equally low quality vinyl won't be that great, which means this can't be an all-inclusive statement about vinyl.
link please...
because I've invested alot of money into it
and would rather the facts fit my already-formed opinion ;)
A link to which bit?
For the former I don't have a proper link but CD was welcomed by classical music (and still is preferred) precisely because, being digital, background noise wasn't an issue with the large dynamics required. The loss of background hiss was the key thing CD really promised in the early days. It's also why the 80s CDs are mastered so 'quiet' because in fact they were mastered to take as much advantage of the new medium as possible.
Now I will say that this is pretty pointless to most people. My ears are wrecked from too much loud live music and generally I want my music much louder, but your argument was that vinyl was 'ultimate for sound'. I would say DVDA is probably more 'ultimate for sound' with it's 192Khz 24-bit quality.
As to the second point, 180 gramme vinyl is excellent. But I've a few thin, crappy 7"s and there were more than few albums/12"s released in the 80s and 90s that simply aren't very good sound quality and never were. You definitely need good vinyl to have good sound, just as you need a good bitrate to have good sound with MP3s, which is why (again) I don't think a blanket suggestion that vinyl is 'ultimate' for sound works.
180g vinyl is just fat
I swear it just to flog people repressings etc
when I interviewed the guys who run Constellation
they managed to put quite a dampener on the idea of the vinyl revival, as they pointed out that the production process for making it is incredibly polluting and it's probably a small mercy for the planet that it's died out to such an extent...
MP3>CD>vinyl>cassette
I agree
Also you could replace MP3 with FLAC for the more pretentious listeners. I'm not pretentious because the difference between an MP3 well encoded (320 kbps using LAME) and a FLAC file/CD is hard to detect. There are ABX tests that prove that.
I both love and hate vinyl
Is there a word (there should be a word) to describe the nagging doubt you get when you listen to your turntable that something isn't quite sounding right? Is there a problem with the needle? Is it the record? Is the turntable faulty? Have you set it up correctly? And the more you spend on a turntable, the more this nagging doubt raises its ugly head.
Frankly, I'd rather just look at vinyl whilst listening to the MP3 download.
Audiophile
Also, think about DJs
No, I'm not talking about turntablists & the like, just blokes like me who DJ in bars or at parties from time to time for a bit of cash, free beer or just for the hell of it. In the vinyl days it would've been a fucking nightmare. Now I can just turn up with a laptop loaded up with Virtual DJ & pick from 30,000 tracks, ie 3,000 vinyl LPs' worth. And it's easier when you're pissed.
Exactly.
This point is very valid. I do listen largely to MP3's - who doesn't. If I get into an album / single / whatever, I will find myself tracking down the vinyl version (if it's available).
I've bought quite a bit of vinyl over the last few years
and although a lot of that is down the fact that most of it is electronic music that is released specifically on 12" singles, the overall reason I do it is because these days I download most of my music, and if I'm paying for a physical copy I want it to be just a bit more special.
Exactly so
I will probably never buy another cd again. I Spotify the shit out of things, I rip my existing CDs to mp3, and I download songs from blogs or via Spotify/iTunes. But I really really really really love buying vinyl.
I know it's illogical. I know it's not an especially user-friendly format. But I just enjoy listening to it.
I like the cliched hiss and crackle, I like that I never see the words 'READ ERROR' on my player, I get really excited when new vinyl arrives in the mail, I love adding things to my collection, I looooove gatefold vinyl, I like that the artwork never fucking rips at the fold like it sometimes does when I try to slide it out of a jewelcase, I like that it doesn't have those goddamn little plastic bits on the inner spindle that shatter so the cd doesn't sit still anymore, and man, the artwork just looks great at 12x12". (If I could just design record artwork for a living and see my pictures on vinyl sleeves, I would never be sad again.)
Yay, vinyl.
I wouldn't say vinyl is ultimate
it has its charms, mainly the size and the care you need to take of them. But then it does have its flaws. It is a bit like driving a classic car rather than a Ford Focus I suppose. You know a Focus works and gets you from A to B, but it isn't very exciting.
I personally got rid of my CDs ages ago, I didn't see the point having both the clicky case and the tracks on mp3, they are essentially one and the same. I did keep some compilations and those with particularly good inlays and booklets. Old stuff or things I really like I have on vinyl for keeps. I know that at least I can sell them on for roughly what I paid (or even a profit) if I felt like it, CD collections go for feck all, I am lucky I sold mine while there was still a few quid in ebay on it.
it's definitely not the ultimate format
(yesiamaduck nails some of the problems upthread) but I really love records anyway.
There's something fetishistic about the whole experience of playing a record that just doesn't exist with CDs or MP3s. and whether it's my imagination or not, they DO sound better to me.
the classic car analogy is pretty accurate, I think. It might not be the best music format, but it is my favourite.
Do people actually hold there vinyl for the sheer pleasure of it?
*their
fuck off
when banging to my Sade LPs
i have to withdraw every 20 mins to flip the bitch. And turn over the record
nay
^ smooth operator right here
His love is
kiiiing
The only drawback with mp3s is
the loss of that thrill I used to have when I bought a new CD/vinyl album and pored through the artwork & sleeve notes whilst I listened to the album. I think the hankering for vinyl is more often than not from a generation that grew up with a choice of formats, rather than one than had to put up with the inconvenience of warped records and jumping needles.
I don't understand why MP3 downloads don't come with a PDF of the album booklet.
It seems ridiculous not to give you that.
I've put up with so much shit with vinyl
getting into it 3/4 years ago. Now have a decent Project turntable and a 150 vinyl + collection. I love it but fuck me I had so much trouble in the set up process. Still there's nothing more satisfying than sitting down and playing through a new perfect pressing of an album you love.
definitely my prefered choice
especially as it is rare for them not to come with MP3s nowadays. The MP3/Vinyl combo just seems to cover more ground compared to CD/MP3, with the later the CD itself becomes redundant once it has been ripped, I know CDs are better quality but for the most part the experience of listening to a CD and MP3s is very similar, where as vinyl im sure even its opponents would acknowledge listening to a vinyl is a different experience to a CD/MP3, the quality is different (wont go into whether it is better or worse but again im sure everyone would recognise it is atleast different, a person will know if they are listening to a vinyl), it focuses your attention, you cant just put it on and leave it, or skip around, the crackle, even looking at it spin round, it is just different. so for me if I am going to get the physical copy and the convenience side is covered by the mp3s id definitely opt for the vinyl just because it offers something more different from the MP3 experience than the CD does, and obviously the bigger canvas for the artwork is a plus, and as mentioned above they retain their value compared to CDs that are mostly worthless after purchase. I guess CDs do have the storage advantage, and leafing through CD size booklets is abit easier.
this is what I was trying to say
but was probably too distracted by something else in the room to say.
Cassette is the worst format
Horrible. Don't Rest In Peace.
look what makes the artist most money!
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2012/120730infamous
yes that's righttt
Never been a fan
1. When they're on a shelf, the spine's are so narrow you can't easily read them.
2. They take up even more space than CDs (which I prefer), totally unfriendly unless you're a bachelor or have a mansion.
3. You have to flip them (I HATE THAT. Kudos Douchebag - you must have a long arm or a long something...)
4. They don't fit in the car stereo (well, not easily).
5. If they don't come with a download code, you have to buy the record twice.
6. I would put some of the blame on vinyl obsessives for alienating less confident music fans who feel intimidated by those with record bags, beards and skinny jeans. Someone with a bunch of CDs is never going to appear uber-cool.
And I loved cassettes. But they were indeed rubbish.
Yeah. Play vinyls in your car. Quite difficult? ;)
not overly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0hRzEihsR4
This is interesting
"A lot of people still talk about how records sound more accurate than CDs, attributing this as of the reasons for vinyl’s resurgence. I think this is bull.
First of all, people don’t care about sound quality as much as they used to – most music is listened to in mp3 format on $1.99 earbuds through a 50 cent amplifier in an ipod. Second, vinyl is not more accurate, not even close. Yes, it sounds different than cd’s – that’s because of all the distortion due to the massive eq curve that must be applied to the music before it’s put on vinyl (vinyl can’t deal with the extreme bass or treble), which is then reversed when amplified. Of course the stylus and the physical medium itself create a lot of distortion themselves."
http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/01/new-record-for-vinyl/
Nice to look at
Nice to hold