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Has ATP gone into administration?

Dr_gonzo [Edit] [Delete] 678 replies 20:43 July 3rd, 2012

Someone just posted this on Twitter - http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/60187/notices/1613959/type=notices;all=atp;sort=newest

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Was just about to post this...

does anyone know? I really hope they haven't.

trickquestion | 3 Jul '12, 20:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
oh no :(

SCROTUM | 3 Jul '12, 20:45 | X | ^ This | Reply

DaisyFlower, littlebirds, Rhymenocerous, and Dr_gonzo this'd this
From the looks of this most probably, though it depends what happened at the meeting

but my guess is that they're gone in their present form sadly.

Kitchmo | 3 Jul '12, 20:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Any idea what this is likely to mean for already organised events?
  
  DaisyFlower @Kitchmo | 3 Jul '12, 20:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - It really depends on which way things go frustratingly
    
    Mean fiddler could just buy all of their assets from the administrators and you might not notice any difference whatsoever, or it may be a long drawn out process. One thing is for sure you won;t be getting a refund if the gigs don't happen (unless they've held the money for future events in a VERY strange/creative/clever way).
    
    Kitchmo @DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - if you paid by credit card
      
      and the amount is more than £100 then your credit card provider is legally obliged to refund you
      
      kmart @Kitchmo | 3 Jul '12, 21:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      Mnemosene this'd this
      - That money will come from the CC company, not from ATP's administrators/liquidators though
        
        but yes, I *think* you're right if people have paid by credit rather than debit card.
        
        Kitchmo @kmart | 3 Jul '12, 21:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
Details are coming

according to Laura Snapes' twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/laurasnapes

trickquestion | 3 Jul '12, 21:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
urgh

josh | 3 Jul '12, 21:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
All Yesterday's Parties

:(

MarkP | 3 Jul '12, 21:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
They were announcing new events as little as 4 days ago

http://www.atpfestival.com/newsview/1206291522.php

Hopefully the various things they already have planned will go ahead - might someone take them and keep things running? On the one hand, things like the National ATP are sold out, so they might already be financially sorted. But if the situation is so bad that they've had to use the ticket money for that to pay for other things, then maybe there's nothing left?

I hope someone comes along who understands how all this works. If they're totally bust, I guess people who've bought tickets are pretty low down the list of priority of creditors...

DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Ah, I see Kitchmo has already answered above.
  
  DaisyFlower @DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
- they're the lowest rung, essentially
  
  Jordan_229_2 @DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - as kitchmo has highlighted, i guess
    
    Jordan_229_2 @Jordan_229_2 | 3 Jul '12, 21:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
- so this meeting was on the 28th and they've announced events since then
  
  is that encouraging?
  
  josh @DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Hang on, the administration meeting date was the 28th June
  
  And that cinema event was announced on the 29th. Is the fact that they were still announcing stuff after they had that meeting hopeful?
  
  DaisyFlower @DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
so thats what that dodgy bank account stuff was for

i wonder what the situation will be re: refunds for the new shellac event.

Jordan_229_2 | 3 Jul '12, 21:08 | X | ^ This | Reply

84joe this'd this
And from ATP on Twitter

To address the rumours going around; there are some changes currently happening with the company...

Dr_gonzo | 3 Jul '12, 21:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
Hi all

To address the rumours going around; there are some changes currently happening with the company, but none of the currently scheduled events or future events will be affected.

Jamie_Summers | 3 Jul '12, 21:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
- "Some changes" sounds wonderfully euphemistic...
  
  theguywithnousername @Jamie_Summers | 3 Jul '12, 21:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - perhaps it will be a NewCo ATP
    
    i guess the move from minehead back to camber was like SPL to Div 1.
    
    Jordan_229_2 @theguywithnousername | 3 Jul '12, 21:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    littlebirds, DaisyFlower, SCROTUM, and hanshotfirst this'd this
    - With the history wiped
      
      come to Camber this December to see Shellac curate ATP for the first time!
      
      JustJay @Jordan_229_2 | 3 Jul '12, 21:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      Mnemosene this'd this
      - :D
        
        DaisyFlower @JustJay | 3 Jul '12, 21:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        politelydeclined, Spicer, badmanreturns, umlaut_ampersand, WhiteLightWhiteCity, and incandenza_ this'd this
- Phew!
  
  Thanks.
  
  DaisyFlower @Jamie_Summers | 3 Jul '12, 21:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
shame after the return to camber

ThingsThatFly | 3 Jul '12, 21:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
I do feel sad about ATP

but then I remember how much they jizzed themselves over Yuck. I could never respect a promoter who jizzed themselves over fucking Yuck.

But, Yuck aside, it will be a great loss :(((

In other words, I'm gutted. I'm just being a dick cos I hate Yuck.

raindrenchedweekend | 3 Jul '12, 21:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
- ehhh i definitely didn't post this here
  
  but this is good news anyway!!
  
  raindrenchedweekend @raindrenchedweekend | 3 Jul '12, 21:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
- London, man
  
  chickenbones @raindrenchedweekend | 3 Jul '12, 22:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  Antelope and LdnMetropolitanElite this'd this
  - EXACTLY
    
    raindrenchedweekend @chickenbones | 3 Jul '12, 22:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
dunno, just got a text on this subject

they have been EXTREMELY slow on releasing details for IBYM new jersey. really hope it goes ahead but meh

cat_race | 3 Jul '12, 21:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
- it's hard to be optimistic
  
  whenever a company has problems or makes redundancies or cuts or cancels things you just get the positive line until the last possible minute. jamie is just doing his job obviously so no hard feelings but blah, i'm going to the states regardless. did find out today that lightning bolt are playing there on the 20th. booyah
  
  cat_race @cat_race | 3 Jul '12, 21:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Exactly.
    
    If it is just a simple restructuring, it's immaculately bad PR to do it like this and make no announcement until it leaks out on Twitter.
    
    I don't doubt for a second that everyone there'll be doing all they can to keep things going as planned but I'd still be cautious buying any tickets for future events from a company that's filed for insolvency proceedings...
    
    theguywithnousername @cat_race | 3 Jul '12, 21:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - agreed. i bought my ticket for IBYM NJ month ago in a fit of love and enthusiasm
      
      was really looking forward to going to it with my new girlfriend. she's still in the states, i'm still going. if it goes ahead, nice, if not life goes on.
      
      cat_race @theguywithnousername | 3 Jul '12, 21:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
Who is Laura Snapes?

BMS1 | 3 Jul '12, 21:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
- i'm laura snapes, and so's my wife
  
  josh @BMS1 | 3 Jul '12, 21:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  lemonbrickcombo this'd this
  - I'm Wesley Snipes and so's my accountant!
    
    amyblue @josh | 4 Jul '12, 09:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
- ho is razorlit?
  
  talskar @BMS1 | 3 Jul '12, 21:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
- used to review for DiS
  
  still posts on here now and then. She was NME's albums editor for a bit and she's now an associate editor for Pitchfork if I remember right. Oh, and she's great.
  
  lemonbrickcombo @BMS1 | 3 Jul '12, 21:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
- .
  
  I'm not sure, but judging by her twitter account she is incredibly smug and irritating.
  
  "I love ATP more than any other festival, but it's got to a stage where they do need to be upfront about their finances."
  
  Haha - wtf?!
  
  CHAIRMAN_LMAO @BMS1 | 3 Jul '12, 21:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  raindrenchedweekend this'd this
  - could you point out where the smugness is?
    
    i'm struggling. good username, though.
    
    no-class @CHAIRMAN_LMAO | 4 Jul '12, 07:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    andyvine, bowiecokemirror, and PickledOeuf this'd this
from the facebook page...

To address the rumours some of you may have seen; there are some changes currently happening with the company, but none of the currently scheduled events or future events will be affected.

orangejuice | 3 Jul '12, 21:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
- oh wait, just saw Jamie's post upthread
  
  thanks Jamie :)
  
  orangejuice @orangejuice | 3 Jul '12, 21:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Weren't they "moving offices" around this date?
    
    Probably in Barry's bathroom now. I reckon they might be doing what retailers call a "pre-pack" where they go into administration, ditch all the poor performing shops (or in this case, events) then start a new company to deal with the good stuff.
    
    Complete speculation though. IF this was the case, and you can see beyond all the debtors who get screwed over, then them getting back to basics and what they do best, it would potentially be a good thing.
    
    JimmyHuntspill @orangejuice | 3 Jul '12, 21:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
stay of execution?

Verbal | 3 Jul '12, 21:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
- They're going to shoot Jamie Summers?
  
  I know he occasionally needs to be taken down a peg or two, but that seems a bit extreme.
  
  lemonbrickcombo @Verbal | 3 Jul '12, 21:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - not quite
    
    but...dunno. As paul says it all sounds very euphemistic.
    
    Verbal @lemonbrickcombo | 3 Jul '12, 21:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
who the fuck googles creditor reports?

someone with a flask of weak lemon drink, i reckon.

shadyadie | 3 Jul '12, 21:29 | X | ^ This | Reply

raindrenchedweekend, lealea, CrispinAlexander, kostenurky, Icarus-Smicarus, jesechristo, Si_Badvibes, and Mnemosene this'd this
- More likely someone who works in finance and related shizz and happens to be a music geek spots something familiar on the London Gazette
  
  (which is pretty well read if that's what you do) and decides to share it.
  
  There may well be cordial involved.
  
  hip_young_gunslinger @shadyadie | 3 Jul '12, 21:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - don't try to ruin my comedy with logic.
    
    well in that case they're a bit slow if this was posted on june 21st.
    
    shadyadie @hip_young_gunslinger | 3 Jul '12, 21:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - way to go, granddad
    
    calumlynn @hip_young_gunslinger | 4 Jul '12, 06:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
From twitter (a sarahluv81, whoever that may be)

Okay hipsters I've done some digging. Looks like the registered company behind @atpfestival has changed from ATP concerts ltd to willwal ltd This means that @atpfestival has gone insolvent and has registered a new trading name. No doubt the creditors haven't been fully paid

DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Stuart from Mogwai
  
  saying everything is fine.
  
  JimmyHuntspill @DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - t-shirt slogan.
    
    shadyadie @JimmyHuntspill | 3 Jul '12, 21:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    chasingabee, jontosh2001, and matthewslaughter this'd this
- willwal? thats the worst fucking name ever
  
  Jordan_229_2 @DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - hahahaha
    
    cat_race @Jordan_229_2 | 3 Jul '12, 21:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - You know what I hate about Willwal?
      
      Always booking fucking Shellac.
      
      JimmyHuntspill @cat_race | 3 Jul '12, 21:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      wj_gibson, ma0sm, thekidswhopoptoday, and sexydave this'd this
      - the thing i hate most about willwal is that they take forever to announce anything!
        
        cat_race @JimmyHuntspill | 3 Jul '12, 21:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Dear Willwal
        
        I demand more transparency with your accounts.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @cat_race | 3 Jul '12, 21:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        also, lightning bolt pls
        
        cat_race @JimmyHuntspill | 3 Jul '12, 21:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        JimmyHuntspill, jontosh2001, and SCROTUM this'd this
  - Sounds like they got it from a captcha.
    
    AfraidOfOwls @Jordan_229_2 | 3 Jul '12, 21:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
- poor butlins
  
  ThingsThatFly @DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 21:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  JimmyHuntspill this'd this
- Willwal
  
  A company set up by Barry and Deborah back in May.
  
  tamperevident @DaisyFlower | 3 Jul '12, 23:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Company Check
    
    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08091530
    
    tamperevident @tamperevident | 3 Jul '12, 23:22 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - ATP Concerts
      
      http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06370771
      
      So my bet is that Barry and Deborah have offered the liquidator £2M for the assets and the debts are buried.
      
      Also maybe worth noting Barry is registered as a director under a different name to the 4 other directorships he has listed under "Barry John Hogan".
      
      tamperevident @tamperevident | 3 Jul '12, 23:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - y they no
      
      register domain names?
      
      shadyadie @tamperevident | 4 Jul '12, 00:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
Willwal :Dont Look Back (at our list of unpaid creditors)

Jordan_229_2 | 3 Jul '12, 21:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
check out promoter name here

http://www.atpfestival.com/assets/img/20120711-yeasayerlexnews.jpg

JuxtaposedJames | 3 Jul '12, 21:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
- same for every event on the rolling banner on the hoempage
  
  cat_race @JuxtaposedJames | 3 Jul '12, 21:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
I'm talking to someone from ATP in a minute

If you have specific questions about what this means for the festival, please post them below this and I'll get them all answered.

thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 21:48 | X | ^ This | Reply

trickquestion this'd this
- Is the Shellac one going ahead?
  
  Since there's no bands or owt listed.
  
  wj_gibson @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 21:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
  
  thephotobooth this'd this
- You are simply AWFUL!
  
  I'm BOILING UP INSIDE!!!!!!!!
  
  84joe @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 21:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - :'D
    
    joeymahone @84joe | 4 Jul '12, 08:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
- I'd love to know the latest news on IBYM NJ with that being the next event
  
  there were supposed to be further announcements on line up around two weeks ago and they were put back which i imagine is related. Just a general update would be appreciated.
  
  cat_race @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 21:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - No it's not "in administration"
    
    that's when chaps come in to restructure the company to keep it running as a going concern until they work out how to maximise profits for shareholders. Barratts was in administration for years before... er shutting.
    
    This is a voluntary liquidation (based on ref to s98 of the IA).
    
    Stuzza | 3 Jul '12, 21:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    JimmyHuntspill this'd this
    - when I said shareholders I meant creditors.
      
      Anyway this ain't an administration so no practical difference to the matter in hand.
      
      Stuzza @Stuzza | 3 Jul '12, 21:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - guys for fucks sake
    
    yeah they overextended themselves and have had some pretty dire customer relations fuckups in the past year but jfc, they put on fucking good shows & festivals and they're not some evil monolith corporation. do you know how fucking difficult and heartwrenching insolvency must be? I mean, to be fair I don't, but it can't be nice.
    
    ATP have provided shedloads of amazing events and happy memories for loads & loads of DiSers. y'all are a load of vultures. basically, stop gloating ya cuntz
    
    SCROTUM | 3 Jul '12, 21:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    felson this'd this
    - I cant see many replies that are gloating
      
      ThingsThatFly @SCROTUM | 3 Jul '12, 21:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - aight maybe not gloating
        
        mocking
        
        also this might be faintly pre-emptive in light of a clear 300+ reply thread. especially when the usual trolls appear
        
        SCROTUM @ThingsThatFly | 3 Jul '12, 21:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I dont see much mocking either, its just people talking about something that has happened
        
        ThingsThatFly @SCROTUM | 3 Jul '12, 22:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - I don't think anyone's gloating.
      
      I think people who've paid for events who have got friends who've paid for events are legitimately keen to be clear on what's going on and whether their going to get what they paid for.
      
      I feel sorry for ATP as I don't doubt for a second they're enthusiastic music lovers who've, probably by accident as much as design, become absolutely huge and, as you say, probably over-reached themselves. But nonetheless they are a business, they do take people's money for events and, when liquidation is involved - voluntary or otherwise - customers have got a reasonable right to ask what's going on.
      
      theguywithnousername @SCROTUM | 3 Jul '12, 21:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      jontosh2001, WhiteLightWhiteCity, DaisyFlower, and Mnemosene this'd this
      - yeah no you're right
        
        I spose I was jumping to conclusions after a few snide comments in amongst all the well-wishing. Apologies for not having really thought it out from a consumer's end.
        
        SCROTUM @theguywithnousername | 3 Jul '12, 22:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - no-one is gloating at all
      
      its more that people are very mistrusting in the organisation and its staff, as well they should be.
      
      no-one wants to see ATP go under.
      
      Jordan_229_2 @SCROTUM | 3 Jul '12, 22:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - why is twitter so hard to fucking read?
    
    yet again i have to miss out on something that may be quite interesting to read.
    
    politelydeclined | 3 Jul '12, 21:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - you should start a Twitter lessons thread on the social board, I'd be happy to walk you through whatever it is that doesn't make sense...
      
      sean @politelydeclined | 4 Jul '12, 08:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - This thread took a funny turn at some point
    
    I am very confused about what happened.
    
    Kitchmo | 3 Jul '12, 21:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I spoke to Deborah at ATP
    
    Everything is fine. All the planned events are going ahead. ATP are issuing a statement tomorrow. She wouldn't talk about anything else for now, but hopefully we are talking again tomorrow.
    
    thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 22:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Cheers for the update
      
      Good to have some reliable information.
      
      Dr_gonzo @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 22:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      politelydeclined and cat_race this'd this
      - That's the thing about the LONDON METROPOLITAN ELITE
        
        they might destroy our popular culture, but you can't beat 'em for accurate information.
        
        thephotobooth needs taking down a peg or two if you ask me.
        
        lemonbrickcombo @Dr_gonzo | 3 Jul '12, 22:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        thephotobooth, Two_dads_kissing, umlaut_ampersand, sloopjimb, and LdnMetropolitanElite this'd this
        
        taking down JS a peg or two
        
        is still one of my favourite DiS threads ever
        
        thephotobooth @lemonbrickcombo | 3 Jul '12, 22:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Think LONDON METROPOLITAN ELITE
        
        might have usurped it. Still giggling.
        
        lemonbrickcombo @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 22:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        LdnMetropolitanElite this'd this
        
        So pleased to be a bona fide DiS meme
        
        thephotobooth @lemonbrickcombo | 3 Jul '12, 22:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - thank you
      
      sorry about the minority of c*nts on here
      
      politelydeclined @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 22:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      blimeycharlie, DaisyFlower, umlaut_ampersand, and chris_armo this'd this
      - Minority of Cunts for ATP etc etc
        
        Alex-in-Ciderland @politelydeclined | 3 Jul '12, 22:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - she's not going to sleep with you, you know
        
        josh @politelydeclined | 3 Jul '12, 23:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        calumlynn this'd this
    - Did you query this "everything is fine" part
      
      at all?
      
      JimmyHuntspill @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 22:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - Yes
        
        I tried to challenge her, but she wouldn't talk about anything else tonight. I told her that the people who have invested money (and love) in ATP really deserve some answers, and she agreed to do a proper interview tomorrow. Like I said, if you have questions, post them under my post up there, and I'll get everything answered tomorrow.
        
        thephotobooth @JimmyHuntspill | 3 Jul '12, 22:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        So it went;
        
        You - Hi, everything alright?
        Her - Yeah, everything fine
        You - what about the going bust thing?
        Her - No definitely all alright
        You - Thanks
        
        Not exactly Frost/Nixon is it?
        
        JimmyHuntspill @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 22:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Actually, no
        
        But I've spent the whole evening trying to find out what's happening whilst most people on Twitter just posted that London Gazette link and had done with it, and I'm not wasting any more time defending myself to contrary idiots on DiS. As you can see, I'm generally pretty half-arsed about things so do assume that that's how it went if you wish.
        
        [If you are being sarcastic, I apologise. I need to go to bed.]
        
        thephotobooth @JimmyHuntspill | 3 Jul '12, 22:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I am being sarcastic yes, sorry
        
        Just saying, not much point talking to them the night before they are about to make a statement as they clearly aren't going to say anything at all - and no point using a brush off chat as anything approaching news.
        
        There are no questions until the statement. (There is probably a shit screamo band called that)
        
        JimmyHuntspill @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 22:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Well they agreed to talk to me
        
        So I assumed there was more information forthcoming. As it went, I got told off for creating panic on Twitter, and I returned the telling off by saying that none of this would have happened if ATP were upfront about the issue, which they've clearly known about for a while, but that they haven't exactly been upfront about any of their problems in recent years.
        
        thephotobooth @JimmyHuntspill | 3 Jul '12, 22:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Dr_gonzo this'd this
        
        do you think they're bad at being upfront about their problems, or just bad about keeping said problems private until they make an official announcement?
        
        Either way, it's so unprofessional. Makes me feel quite sad.
        
        calumlynn @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 23:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Fair enough
        
        Let's all just look forward to the statement tomorrow and see where we are. Anyone for a little bullshit bingo?
        
        In the current economic climate......position untenable......costs of putting on the events......disapointing ticket sales.......Butlins got in a right fucking strop when we didn't pay them.........gone into liquidation.......new business created to carry on the bits that work.........a big thank you to all the loyal fans.....etc etc
        
        JimmyHuntspill @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 23:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I don't think it's creating a painc on Twitter
        
        The London Gazette thing was published on 21 June so they could have announced something since then before someone found it, which they were bound to.
        
        I only started the thread because I saw a few tweets and nothing on DiS yet.
        
        Even if you didn't get the full story, at least you bothered to try to get some info. More than a lot of people on here have done.
        
        Feel gutted for ATP. But their lack of transparency has been frustrating in the past.
        
        Dr_gonzo @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 23:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        calumlynn this'd this
        
        .
        
        You make it sound like its some selfless act for the good of the online music community, but it reeks of some upstart trying to get a Twitter scoop when a group of people might be dealing with some bad shit.
        
        That's just my take.
        
        Personally, I'd have told you to fuck *right* off.
        
        CHAIRMAN_LMAO @thephotobooth | 4 Jul '12, 00:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Damn straight. Tsk...trying to find out some information a business have concealed that might have an impact on their customers.
        
        Who the Hell does think she is? Some kind of journalist or something?
        
        theguywithnousername @CHAIRMAN_LMAO | 4 Jul '12, 00:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        what is 'a twitter scoop'?
        
        Lots of people - though presumably not you - have spent thousands of pounds on upcoming ATP events: including Laura and including me. The idea that it's inappropriate to want to know what's going on when the event organiser has apparently gone into administration but won't talk about it is ridiculous. The entire notion of the public interest is built upon the idea that you can't just use 'dealing with some bad shit' as an excuse to leave your customers in the dark.
        
        lukowski @CHAIRMAN_LMAO | 4 Jul '12, 08:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Exactly
        
        I've nothing against ATP* but I'm not really sure why some people think that - because they promote independent music - they deserve some sort of free pass from the general expectations and responsibilities to customers that a business naturally has.
        
        OK, they're obviously not the Sinister Evil Mega-Global Corporation (Ltd) but they do take people's money in exchange for a service and, when a company goes into liquidation and hold people's money for future events, people are utterly entitled to seek clarity on the situation, especially if the company haven't mentioned the liquidation to the people whose money they hold or people who may be planning to pay for a future event in the near-future.
        
        *this obviously will still be construed as an anti-ATP post. But that will, of course, prove my point.
        
        theguywithnousername @lukowski | 4 Jul '12, 09:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        .
        
        I'm not really sure what a Twitter Scoop is to be honest. I suppose it's a modern phenomenon where any no mark can use the platform to communicate with/hassle pretty much anyone they like in the name of journalism, when (in my humble opinion), they're trying to raise their own profile.
        
        If i'd spent 13 years building up a business like ATP, which I honestly think is run by decent folk who aren't all about the £, and it hit the skids, and I told everyone that they wouldn't be affected, but despite this someone who was still listening to Alex Parks while I had convinced Sonic Youth to curate a festival at f**king PONTINS in 2004, I'd probably think "Why did I bother?".
        
        Like I said - just my take.
        
        CHAIRMAN_LMAO @lukowski | 4 Jul '12, 10:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        We've all got a right to WANT to know though
        
        I'm not trying to suggest ATP have done something nefarious with our money, and it sounds like we'll probably know whatever ATP are going to tell us by the end of today, but at the end of the day Laura is a big fan of the National and a professional music journalist, something is clearly 'up', if she wants to look into it then good for her. Saying 'ATP's net achievements are greater than Laura Snapes' net achievements, so she should butt out' is just silly.
        
        I do agree with your fundamental point that ATP have earned some goodwill, but their recent history is littered with cancellations and rescheduled events, so it's understandable people get a bit twitchy when something like this crops up...
        
        lukowski @CHAIRMAN_LMAO | 4 Jul '12, 11:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Many thanks
      
      for your research and updates this evening, here and on Twitter - it's greatly appreciated
      
      SpartacusHughes @thephotobooth | 3 Jul '12, 22:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Does this mean Insolvency Administrators will now...
    
    be running ATP?
    
    Can't wait to see what bands they book.
    
    Juninho10 | 3 Jul '12, 22:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    t_diddy and JimmyHuntspill this'd this
    - SAVE OUR SHELLAC
      
      littlebirds @Juninho10 | 3 Jul '12, 22:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - math rock
      
      raindrenchedweekend @Juninho10 | 3 Jul '12, 22:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      Cementimental and berksy this'd this
    - Something about that Obits record called Moody, Standard and Poor
      
      Though that's a CRA rather than an insolvency administrator...
      
      lemonbrickcombo @Juninho10 | 3 Jul '12, 22:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - definitely the guys to get fugazi to reform
      
      ithica @Juninho10 | 3 Jul '12, 22:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Ed Sheeran
      
      y'know, to please Any Murray n'that
      
      Body_In_The_Thames @Juninho10 | 3 Jul '12, 22:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - Murray Walker would probably still give it a miss
        
        JustJay @Body_In_The_Thames | 3 Jul '12, 22:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        oh bugger
        
        my ATP pun spoiled by a typo
        
        Body_In_The_Thames @JustJay | 3 Jul '12, 22:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - 'Mr Hogan, have you considered booking Adele?
      
      She seems popular with the kids. I'm more of a Dire Straits fan myself - no pun intended...'
      
      Juninho10 @Juninho10 | 3 Jul '12, 22:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - That's a bleak vision of the future.
        
        Willwal Ltd. Present Nightmare Before Christmas 2013 curated by Mark Knopfler
        
        Puds @Juninho10 | 3 Jul '12, 23:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Will Dire Straits be playing their s/t album in it's entirety as a 35th anniversary thing?
        
        Sounds more appealing than The National.
        
        TheWza @Puds | 4 Jul '12, 08:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        where do i book early bird tickets?
        
        Cementimental @TheWza | 4 Jul '12, 13:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - I loved their first album
      
      bornin69 @Juninho10 | 3 Jul '12, 23:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Any chance this is just an elaborate way of screwing Butlins over?
    
    umlaut_ampersand | 3 Jul '12, 22:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - ...'in-the-redcoats', if you will?
      
      Alex-in-Ciderland @umlaut_ampersand | 3 Jul '12, 23:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - hahahah
        
        calumlynn @Alex-in-Ciderland | 3 Jul '12, 23:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Laura Snapes is my hero
    
    She is Godzilla and you are Tokyo. (This is a reflection on her awesomeness and not her skin. She doesn't have scales.)
    
    John_Doran | 3 Jul '12, 23:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    orangejuice and felson this'd this
    - I left a link to a hilarious ripfork review of
      
      a Laura Snapes review.
      
      right here.
      
      here it is again, plus another, plus a John Doran. get a sense of humour and stay at least ten feet away from my freedom of speech, you absolute felch kestrels.
      
      http://ripfork.com/2010/03/laura-snapes-review-of-kairos-by-white-hinterland/
      
      ripfork.com/2010/01/laura-snapes-review-of-teen-dream-by-beach-house/
      
      http://ripfork.com/2009/11/john-dorans-review-of-turning-the-mind-by-maps/
      
      incandenza_ @John_Doran | 4 Jul '12, 11:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - oops...thanks opera mobile
        
        http://ripfork.com/2010/01/laura-snapes-review-of-teen-dream-by-beach-house/
        
        incandenza_ @incandenza_ | 4 Jul '12, 11:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - this thread is fucking hilarious
    
    CrispinAlexander | 4 Jul '12, 00:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    fuckyeahdubstep, Cementimental, Antelope, and kilgore-trout this'd this
  - company who specialises in cliquey gigs for cardigan-wearing bellends in going bust SHOCKER!
    
    forzaborza | 4 Jul '12, 01:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Niche businesses actually tend to be less likely to fail
      
      Yesiamaduck @forzaborza | 4 Jul '12, 07:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - IN HEAVEN
    
    EVERYTHING IS FINE
    
    Icarus-Smicarus | 4 Jul '12, 02:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I think Laura Snapes' writing is generally quite good
    
    And I don't doubt that she's a really nice person (even if she is a member of the LONDON METROPOLITAN ELITE!!!!)
    
    But seriously, you lot need to pull your heads out of her arse, cos looking through this thread, I find all the simpering, bootlicking responses to her posts just as embarrassing as the person who posted all that shit about her being self important/privileged in the first place!
    
    calumlynn | 4 Jul '12, 06:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    vonmusic and LdnMetropolitanElite this'd this
    - yes mister calumlynn....so sorry to have troubled you this morn
      
      please forgive us sir...correct as always.....how you humble us with your presence.....mmmm your timbs sure are tasty today....
      
      SCROTUM @calumlynn | 4 Jul '12, 06:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - good boy, nice to see you know your place
        
        run along now
        
        calumlynn @SCROTUM | 4 Jul '12, 06:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - calumlynn: has got DiS's number.
      
      no-class @calumlynn | 4 Jul '12, 07:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      calumlynn this'd this
    - Well said.
      
      The backlash to the backlash to the backlash to the backlash starts here.
      
      TheoGB @Pigfoot | 4 Jul '12, 09:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - if you think thanking somebody for trying to do something helpful
      
      or defending somebody from an unwarranted personal attack constitutes sycophancy then I think you've probably got a few 'issues'. I don't even think anybody bar you and Mr New World Order up there has even commented on the quality of her writing. She's a long time boarder and ATP fan who is trying to find out what's going on; if she didn't have a degree of public profile it's pretty hard to imagine she'd have received any of this grief for effectively doing anybody worried about having wasted their money on an ATP ticket a favour.
      
      lukowski @calumlynn | 4 Jul '12, 09:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - oh yeah, I do definitely agree with that
        
        I just think that people on this board publicly apologising for other members of this board is a bit much. For her to get such acidic, seemingly ungrounded criticism is absolutely horrible, but at the same time Laura has been a DiS user for years and years and I'm sure she's used to what these boards can be like, and doesn't need 'protecting' by the other, mainly male, board users. A few other people in this thread have said similar things, so I don't think I'm saying anything too outlandish..
        
        But i definitely, definitely don't agree with what raindrenchedweeknd said about her- that's insane, unfair and really nasty. As I said, I like her writing, though I've only read a couple of reviews by her I think.
        
        calumlynn @lukowski | 4 Jul '12, 14:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I'd not heard of Laura Snapes before last night. She seems to be
    
    taking a lot of personal criticism for either asking straightforward question or just due to the fact that people don't like her reviews. Like I said, I don't know anything of her, but certain comments appear over the top and over the line.
    
    BMS1 | 4 Jul '12, 07:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - It's because
      
      She's taken the time, effort and personal risk required to be a paid music journalist, and this troubles those who would like to be in the same position but who lad the application to do so.
      
      wj_gibson @BMS1 | 4 Jul '12, 07:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      Ichor this'd this
      - LAD
        
        TheoGB @wj_gibson | 4 Jul '12, 09:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Comaboy this'd this
  - Given ATPs track record...
    
    I expect today's announcement at about 23:37 tonight, or more likely in a few days - even then, it will short, vague and lacking in any detail.
    
    Mrdiabolik | 4 Jul '12, 08:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Did you not see the one they gave last night?
      
      It was precisely as you describe.
      
      theguywithnousername @Mrdiabolik | 4 Jul '12, 09:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - It's about time Jamie Summers got taken down a peg!
    
    wait... this isn't funny :( This is tragic, I know ATP have done their fair share of fuck ups recently and I've criticised them a lot recently but that's not to say I'll be really sad if they kick the bucket :(
    
    That and I really want to go to an ATP this winter
    
    Yesiamaduck | 4 Jul '12, 09:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    JimmyHuntspill this'd this
  - WILLWAL ETC
    
    marke | 4 Jul '12, 09:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    Cementimental and ma0sm this'd this
  - Things I find hilarious:
    
    1. Slagging people off for trying to find out what's going on from official sources whilst taking as gospel any old unfounded bollocks someone's posted on twitter.
    
    LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 09:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - I have it on good authority that LLB is a member of the LONDON METROPOLITAN ELITE.
      
      TheoGB @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 09:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      LdnMetropolitanElite this'd this
      - I RUN THIS TOWN
        
        And you better respect before I make a mocking comment about having to pay for the bus with change, provo
        
        LordLuciusBanter @TheoGB | 4 Jul '12, 09:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - He wishes
        
        LdnMetropolitanElite @TheoGB | 4 Jul '12, 15:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - You must admit it had a whiff of:
      
      DON'T WORRY I'LL SPEAK TO THEM!
      
      They say it's fine.
      
      YAY! IT'S FINE!
      
      (but all that nasty slagging stuff does seem massively over the top)
      
      JimmyHuntspill @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 09:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - No, because I can actually read
        
        It had a whiff of I can speak to them, so I will because all these rumourmongering is bollocks, followed by I've spoken to them and they say all future events are going ahead, they'll give an official statement in the morning.
        
        And I found it hilarious you giving out about that, because I see an ABUNDANCE of cutting interviews you've done with ATP!
        
        LordLuciusBanter @JimmyHuntspill | 4 Jul '12, 09:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        andyvine this'd this
        
        I would say rumourmongering is more relevant at this point
        
        than a please-get-off-the-line comment from someone who has already clearly said they are making a statement the next day.
        
        Generally, if someone says I'm making a statement tomorrow, there is something they need to make a statement about. Saying "it's fine" the day before is somewhat irrelevant.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 09:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        By the way,
        
        I just called Barclays to see what is going on.
        
        They say it is fine.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @JimmyHuntspill | 4 Jul '12, 09:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2010/03/SAM-JACKSON-CLAPPING-GIF.jpg
        
        LordLuciusBanter @JimmyHuntspill | 4 Jul '12, 09:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Well, she got the confirmation that all scheduled events were going ahead
        
        Which wasn't known at the time.
        
        Your contribution however was making a needlessly narky response - though that does rather seem to be your modus operandi on ATP threads ;)
        
        LordLuciusBanter @JimmyHuntspill | 4 Jul '12, 09:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Thanks
        
        I love ATP, and I like praising them when they do right (something I do regularly), and slagging them when they do wrong (happened less than you are implying). In this case, nothing has happened that has any tangible effect on us as fans, until there is a statement to work with, so I do enjoy watching you lot miffling around, beIng all serious, a little bit of business chat (my favourite thing on these boards - WHY WONT THEY TELL US HOW MUCH THEY SPEND ON BISCUITS FOR MEETINGS - WE DEMAND TO KNOW?!) and just the general indieness of the whole thing. Is brilliant.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 09:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Anyway, I heard that ATP are in fact run by Ozymandias from Watchmen
    
    And tomorrow they're going to unleash a giant monster that will kill us with the power of its mind.
    
    Bet they haven't paid their creditors on that one
    
    LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 09:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - just realised i can get a free domain name through globalinternet.net
    
    www.wilwall.com isn't taken. yet.
    
    lawyer up Barry. lawyer up.
    
    Jordan_229_2 | 4 Jul '12, 09:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - this one is still free as well
      
      http://uk.godaddy.com/domains/searchresults.aspx?ci=54814
      
      prison_keith @Jordan_229_2 | 4 Jul '12, 16:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Fucking hell DiS...
    
    vamos | 4 Jul '12, 09:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - ^ I came here to post this
      
      GREAT WORK GUYS!
      
      fiddygent @vamos | 4 Jul '12, 09:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      LordLuciusBanter and chris_armo this'd this
    - it's not DiS though, is it?
      
      it's a couple of people in a thread on DiS. that anyone can post in
      
      no-class @vamos | 4 Jul '12, 09:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
      
      monoshono, sean, and Antelope this'd this
  - LOL. It's just capitalism in action, babes.
    
    ATP got arrogant. Thought they had a monopoly over bedwetters, let that monopoly go to their heads, took the piss out of the people that pay their wages assuming they'd keep paying forever, and people eventually had enough and fucked off. That's all it is really.
    
    I suppose I should probably award myself some indie points for making this argument before everyone else caught on and started saying the same thing in an attempt to look cool.
    
    BAZINGA!
    
    White_Privilege | 4 Jul '12, 09:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - And after aaaaalllllll
      
      you're my willy waaa-aa-aaaaaallll
      
      splitterwill @White_Privilege | 4 Jul '12, 09:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - If the accountancy firm that now owns/runs ATP booked Noel Gallagher
        
        it would be the best possible outcome for the festival. Its musical credibility would be increased tenfold (I bloody love Noely G!) and they might actually sell some tickets and make some money. It would be win win.
        
        White_Privilege @splitterwill | 4 Jul '12, 09:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Need I remind you that The National ATP is sold out
        
        *yes I am aware this is because it's in a smaller venue
        
        Yesiamaduck @White_Privilege | 4 Jul '12, 10:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        What's your point there, spaceman?
        
        White_Privilege @Yesiamaduck | 4 Jul '12, 10:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        and they might actually sell some tickets and make some money. It would be win win.
        
        They clearly sell tickets
        
        Yesiamaduck @White_Privilege | 4 Jul '12, 10:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        They do sell tickets, yes. Just not enough of them it would seem.
        
        White_Privilege @Yesiamaduck | 4 Jul '12, 10:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Nah.
        
        The problem is that ATP is too cheap.
        
        TheWza @White_Privilege | 4 Jul '12, 12:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Don't look back...
        
        in anger?
        
        Maybe barry loves noely g too.
        
        splitterwill @White_Privilege | 4 Jul '12, 10:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Actually sure everything will be fine for this year
    
    will we be having real ales at ATP?
    
    Yesiamaduck | 4 Jul '12, 09:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - i really enjoyed that at the mangum one
      
      cat_race @Yesiamaduck | 4 Jul '12, 09:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - Alexandra Palace...
    
    Ally Pally really was the beginning of the end. Crap location, crap organisation, overpriced food, crap overpriced beer.
    
    Mrdiabolik | 4 Jul '12, 09:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - :D :D :D
      
      A venue in a city with a population of 8 million = worse location than a holiday camp in the southwest where the nearest railway station is 25 miles away
      
      joeymahone @Mrdiabolik | 4 Jul '12, 10:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - Would it be to much of a cheap shot to say yes?
        
        Thought so.
        
        TheWza @joeymahone | 4 Jul '12, 12:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        GUYS GUYS GUYS
        
        WIZZER DON'T LIKE LONDON
        
        HE SAYS WE'RE ALL ON THE METROPOLITAN LINE
        
        LordLuciusBanter @TheWza | 4 Jul '12, 12:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        LdnMetropolitanElite this'd this
        
        No wonder he's upset about the location
        
        The taxi from Wembley Park must have cost a fortune.
        
        joeymahone @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 13:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        :-)
        
        Pretty sure that raindrenchedweekend's legendary performance upthread will be my go-to citation of a properly unhinged tirade when anyone in the future does a small cry over me having even the slightest prod at the London lot.
        
        TheWza @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 13:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        raindrenchedweekend this'd this
        
        menacing ^thising
        
        LordLuciusBanter @TheWza | 4 Jul '12, 15:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        raindrenchedweekend and TheWza this'd this
  - This user drinks tea.
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Willwal
    
    kurtrussell | 4 Jul '12, 09:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - does any one remember
    
    when atp sent that questionnaire around asking the fans about sponsorship at their festivals and how people would feel about it? i believe every one went batshit ape mental to coin a phrase
    
    think they should've done it now.
    
    unicronn | 4 Jul '12, 10:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - I've actually just been thinking about that.
      
      It created a veritable shitstorm at the time. Yet nowadays people are happy to go to Primavera, and live with the sponsorship and big business associated with it.
      
      petec @unicronn | 4 Jul '12, 10:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - i thought it was sponsored?
      
      why would anyone care if it was? weird.
      
      Jordan_229_2 @unicronn | 4 Jul '12, 10:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - Because ATP is indie as fuck, maaaaaan.
        
        White_Privilege @Jordan_229_2 | 4 Jul '12, 10:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Didn't know this happened. They should've gone ahead with it, people would've kept going anyway.
      
      *drops to knees* You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! God damn you all to hell!
      
      eltham @unicronn | 4 Jul '12, 11:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Cardigans?
      
      Plastic bed covers?
      Beard combs?
      
      JerkCentre @JimmyCarterSaysYes | 4 Jul '12, 13:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - I don't remember that reaction
        
        Sure some people were against it but I don remember it being heated.
        
        Personally I don't see the problem, when you can watch a band whilst standing in a burger king the question of sponsorship is pretty meaningless
        
        ThingsThatFly @unicronn | 4 Jul '12, 18:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - I really admire that ATP
        
        Have stuck to their principles over the years and not got sponsorship.but if it means them getting out of this shit and continuing with the festival then I'm all for it..
        
        chasingabee | 4 Jul '12, 11:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - HAHAHA
        
        Fucking hell guys. Fucking hell.
        
        pretty_vacant | 4 Jul '12, 11:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        deadonthestairs and isibuko this'd this
      - Advertising
        
        What about advertising, do they have advertising in their programmes etc???
        
        nodders | 4 Jul '12, 12:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        What's your point, spaceman?
        
        joeymahone @nodders | 4 Jul '12, 12:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - well it's another source of income
        
        When I went to Optimus Primavera, the advertising didn't really effect my enjoyment of anything, infact all I can recall is a big adidas shoe box that i walked past a few times. As long as it doesnt effect their ability to pick the acts they want to play i don't see a problem with it!
        
        nodders | 4 Jul '12, 13:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        That "All Together Now" Optimus advert on the big screens
        
        got incredibly annoying though, after hearing it for the 300th time.
        
        aboynamedgoo @nodders | 4 Jul '12, 13:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        j0hn this'd this
        
        didn't realise Optimus was a company/sponsor
        
        but on some level I definitely knew the name wasn't a bad Transformers pun
        
        guntrip @aboynamedgoo | 4 Jul '12, 14:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Primavera
        
        Is one of the most corporate festivals i have ever been to. You lot don't seem to care much so not sure why you would at ATP.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @guntrip | 4 Jul '12, 14:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Really?
        
        There's some sponsorship but it's pretty tame compared to about 75% of all British festivals
        
        LordLuciusBanter @JimmyHuntspill | 4 Jul '12, 15:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I dunno
        
        It has a sponser in the festival name. When i went (2010) It was all San Miguel logos and only their related drinks in the bar, bad over priced food, ticketmaster comedy fees, Ray Bans stage and all sorts of other things like that.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 15:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Their sponsor is a locally produced beer though
        
        And it's just their beer you can get, all the spirits are from a wide range. Tbh in Spain and Portugal most bars would only serve one brand of beer anyway, so people are used to that. Just sad I went after Estrella stopped sponsoring it
        
        The food is dreadful, but I don't see what that has to do with sponsorship and corporatism.
        
        As for fees can't say I noticed that - both times I went my ticket cost less than £90 (2010 & 2011).
        
        Yeah some of the stages are sponsored, but as long as that sponsorship doesn't intrude on the creative agenda (which I don't think it does) I don't see a huge problem.
        
        They were a couple of slightly garish things (that JD bar) but mostly I found them funny. I especially get a hoot from the fact that addidas sponsor the worst stage which no one goes too.
        
        When I went to V in 2004 to see the Pixies I had to buy Virgin Cola. I didn't know they even still made it
        
        LordLuciusBanter @JimmyHuntspill | 4 Jul '12, 15:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I don't care either, I'm just saying it was a corporate festival
        
        Little ol'San Miguel is Spains largest brewer, and is also from Madrid, so not local local.
        
        What does dreaful food have to do with sponsorship and corporatism? I think the general principle of doing deals with companies pedalling awful over priced food to a captive audience is pretty bad.
        
        And to repeat - I loved my time there, was just surprised to discover the set up was basically Reading by the sea, after all the pant-pissing on here.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 15:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I read that San Miguel was Catalan, but it transpires we're both wrong, it's from the Philippines! Of all places
        
        The food is an interesting point because all the vendors at Barca are independent. But if you read the forums on the Primavera site the Spanish are all like *Why do the British people complain about the food so much?* so maybe it's a local thing. I went to Porto this year and it's a corporate fest but the food was great.
        
        Anyway, we've both wasted far too much breath on something neither of us apparently cares about
        
        LordLuciusBanter @JimmyHuntspill | 4 Jul '12, 18:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Estrella is Catalan
        
        SM is from Madrid. I think you are right about the Phillipines connection but that is from a long way back (maybe the 50's). Google is failing to tell me if they came together with each other, or split up from each other, but definitely Spains largest beer.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @LordLuciusBanter | 5 Jul '12, 07:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Third largest mobile phone operator in Portugal
        
        They sponsor a number of festivals.
        
        aboynamedgoo @guntrip | 4 Jul '12, 15:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think on some level it is a bad Transformers pun
        
        In the news article for next years events they refer to the festivals as Primavera Sound and Optimus Primavera Sound, why would they use the Porto sponsor but not the Barca one if not for punning reasons?
        
        j0hn @guntrip | 4 Jul '12, 16:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Optimus are confirmed for as sponsors for next year
        
        San Miguel are not (as of yet). All the 2012 edition news items refer to San Miguel Primavera Sound.
        
        aboynamedgoo @j0hn | 4 Jul '12, 16:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I respectfully ignore your facts
        
        j0hn @aboynamedgoo | 4 Jul '12, 16:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - When are Fuck Buttons doing another album?
        
        I wanted to be part of this thread but that's the only ATP thing I really care about. Sorry it's off topic, wouldn't want to derail such a coherent thread.
        
        DanielKelly | 4 Jul '12, 13:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Verbal this'd this
        
        someone caring about that band would send any discussion into incoherence
        
        *YES!*
        
        Jordan_229_2 @DanielKelly | 4 Jul '12, 14:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        they've tweeted a few times
        
        that they're working on it at present, and they've updated a lot of their social media stuff so hopefully there'll be new FB stuff soon.
        
        jontosh2001 @DanielKelly | 4 Jul '12, 16:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - So I'm guessing the Shellac ATP was a a desperate attempt at getting some cash in?
        
        it would be a shame if atp disappears, I love their festivals and I've been to at least one every years since it began. I am getting fed up of travelling so far to get to them however so i probably won't miss it as much as I would have in the past.
        
        bowiecokemirror | 4 Jul '12, 14:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I dunno
        
        My guess was they had to move to Camber for the National and were like *Hey now we're in a smaller venue, we can afford to put on another one*
        
        LordLuciusBanter @bowiecokemirror | 4 Jul '12, 15:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Or that Butlins said
        
        They could only do one weekend, whilst Camber said the more the merrier.
        
        beepz @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 15:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Or Butlins said
        
        where is that money you owe us?
        
        JimmyHuntspill @beepz | 4 Jul '12, 15:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Or that the revenue from a sold out Camber Sands
        
        is considerably less than the revenue for a sold out Minehead which they must have been hoping to get for The National, and therefore got their mates Shellac to organise another event for them at short notice (on mates rates?)to keep the cash rolling in now they couldn't sell any more tickets for The National one. Who knows?!!!
        
        Bitters_And_Absolut @beepz | 4 Jul '12, 15:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Dear god, there is so much wild speculation going on here.
        
        Ichor @Bitters_And_Absolut | 4 Jul '12, 16:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        joeymahone and Bitters_And_Absolut this'd this
        
        And that the lack of acts so for is because they've organised it quickly rather than a big cash flow conspiracy
        
        But hey, I know it's not as sexy as THEY BLEW ALL THEIR MONEY GETTING THE REBEL ALLIANCE TO REFORM AND DO A DON'T LOOK BACK OF THEIR FIRST DEATH STAR ASSUALT
        
        LordLuciusBanter @bowiecokemirror | 4 Jul '12, 15:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        This thread is funny
        
        funny in a jesus fucking wept way.
        
        Is there any facts contained in it?
        
        moff | 4 Jul '12, 15:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        no
        
        cat_race @moff | 4 Jul '12, 15:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        :D
        
        Dr_gonzo @cat_race | 4 Jul '12, 15:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        yes
        
        http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4357467#r6857347
        
        aboynamedgoo @moff | 4 Jul '12, 16:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4357467#r6855846
        
        fiddygent @aboynamedgoo | 4 Jul '12, 16:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        my mistake guys
        
        cat_race @fiddygent | 4 Jul '12, 16:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        moff this'd this
        
        LordLuciusBanter
        
        Do you work for ATP or summat?
        
        ps JimmyHuntspill <3
        
        unicronn | 4 Jul '12, 15:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        No I don't
        
        If they're in financial trouble it's pretty obvious to everybody why.
        
        I, personally, just get a bit narked when everyone goes off presenting random speculation as complete fact, and then slag off someone trying to find out the truth
        
        LordLuciusBanter @unicronn | 4 Jul '12, 17:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        unicronn this'd this
        
        pardon me... let me rephrase
        
        do you have any connection/involvement with ATP at all?
        
        unicronn @LordLuciusBanter | 4 Jul '12, 19:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        well he does post on the same forum that Jamie Summers used to post more often on
        
        pieces_of_reece @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 12:22 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        CONSPIRACY
        
        joeymahone @pieces_of_reece | 5 Jul '12, 12:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        fiddygent this'd this
        
        LLB is ATP's 'in-house' DJ
        
        I'd ignore everything he says on the subject.
        
        JohnM @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 12:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        unicronn this'd this
        
        ah
        
        that clears that one up. thanks john. i did think he was being incredibly defensive for some reason. makes sense now ...
        
        unicronn @JohnM | 5 Jul '12, 17:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Read this
        
        http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/irony
        
        It'll blow your mind.
        
        joeymahone @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 17:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        unicronn this'd this
        
        thanks joey
        
        will read it tonight. are they a new band?
        
        unicronn @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 17:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Well?
        
        Has it?
        
        How's that press statement coming along?
        
        vamos | 4 Jul '12, 16:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think they have changed the date it is being made...
        
        ...and it is going to be on a smaller, worse piece of paper. This does however mean that the piece of paper will now be full of words.
        
        (sorry)
        
        JimmyHuntspill @vamos | 4 Jul '12, 16:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        johneggfish this'd this
        
        The statement will be curated by Shellac
        
        Dr_gonzo @JimmyHuntspill | 4 Jul '12, 16:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think that is the second statement
        
        (sorry again)
        
        JimmyHuntspill @Dr_gonzo | 4 Jul '12, 16:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Alex-in-Ciderland this'd this
        
        They have discovered new particle consistent with the Higgs boson.
        
        Both of the Higgs boson-hunting experiments at the LHC see a level of certainty in their data worthy of a "discovery".
        
        More work will be needed to be certain that what they see is a Higgs, however.
        
        Cementimental @vamos | 4 Jul '12, 17:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        people who others have requested to be banned > People requesting others to be banned > People requesting themselves to be banned
        
        fiddygent | 4 Jul '12, 16:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Icarus-Smicarus this'd this
        
        wrong thread...
        
        but does it matter anymore???
        
        fiddygent @fiddygent | 4 Jul '12, 16:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        > fiddygent
        
        Jordan_229_2 @fiddygent | 4 Jul '12, 16:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        :(
        
        fiddygent @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 07:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        really enjoyed that statement that came out today from ATP
        
        cat_race | 4 Jul '12, 20:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Now says on their twitter page that there won't be a statement
        
        until tomorrow.
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhYtB7pjkS0
        
        WhiteLightWhiteCity | 4 Jul '12, 20:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        My guess is they're going through one of these
        
        http://www.companyrescue.co.uk/company-rescue/options/pre-packaged-administration
        
        myyada | 4 Jul '12, 20:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        shall we
        
        start a kickstarter thing. or a pledge site?
        
        i'll be happy to start this up.
        
        unicronn | 4 Jul '12, 21:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        to help ATP!?
        
        NO.
        
        Please don't
        
        moff @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 08:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        go on then
        
        WhiteLightWhiteCity @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 09:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i'd be willing to do their finances, or get someone who can do them a proper business plan
        
        as it seems this is their problem. but i think anyone who buys ever-pricier tickets to their events is helping them out just enough.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 09:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        this
        
        they're already got $200 of my money where i might have nothing to show for it. they need expertise.
        
        cat_race @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 09:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I don't think it's that really (though maybe in part). It's more that they've run out of bands.
        
        They operate in a relative niche, and that niche becomes even smaller when looking for bands who are big enough to headline/curate, but still cheap enough to be able to afford.
        
        I just think this is ATP coming to the end of their natural life cycle, going full circle (ish) with another Shellac event.
        
        There just aren't enough bands 'big' bands for them to choose from, and whilst they've been incredible in their ability to get older bands to reform, they even seem to be running out of those now!
        
        White_Privilege @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 09:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        but yes, this is probably the crux of it
        
        too many events.
        
        cat_race @White_Privilege | 5 Jul '12, 09:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        but you could say that its the business plan thats led to this over-saturation
        
        there's no need for so many events. IBYM, 2xXmas ones, the summer ones. without trolling recent ATPs have been unimaginative and repetitive in their line-ups, even more so with so many festivals and then the stand-alone events.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @White_Privilege | 5 Jul '12, 09:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Yeah, I guess the two things are intertwined.
        
        But as I said upthread, I think that approach came from arrogance - the assumption that they had a captive audience that would turn up to *anything* they put on. For a while that was true perhaps, but no longer it seems. They just put on more and more events, but without a sufficient number of different 'big' bands to cover them all.
        
        It's funny really. For a company that pretends to be anti-corpratist, anti-sponsorship etc etc, it was their lust for money that has seen the death of them. Same as it ever was really.
        
        White_Privilege @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 10:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        this is so true.
        
        from what i can gather amongst all the bullshit, the slayer day was the best selling day recently, and funnily enough the most different. fair enough melvins etc have played plenty, but not on a 'metal day' (lets not get genre picky here) like that.
        
        The idea of a kickstarter is laughable. I'm not a ATP hater by any means and have been to shit loads, but they are a business which has fucked up. better planning etc would have saved this. It's the same as your local hmv saying it's going to close down and you starting a kickstarter to help them out.
        
        moff @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 14:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        also, taking more than 36 hours to prepare a statement is laughable
        
        cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 09:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        it's taken longer hasn't it?
        
        it was only posted on twitter 36 hours ago, but the information was posted online earlier.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 09:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        well, maybe. point still stands.
        
        it's been just over 36 hours since this thread started which is when i found out i suppose
        
        cat_race @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 09:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        oh its always all about you isn't it c_r!
        
        Jordan_229_2 @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 10:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        YES!!
        
        well, what i really mean as that seems a good place to mark this whole shitstorm kicking off which included the promise of a statement
        
        cat_race @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 10:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        A recap
        
        Some of the facts either within the thread above or from links there - it might provide some focus to people talking about Kickstarters etc.
        
        31st May
        
        Barry and Deborah register Willwal as a company before going to Barcelona for Primavera. This is Barry's first company as 'Barry Hogan', having been director of 4 other companies (including the dissolved 'All Tomorrows Parties Limited'and 'ATP Concerts Limited').
        
        Weekend 1 June - 3 June
        
        The two headline acts for the ATP stage at Primavera don't play.
        Somebody uncovers Butlins is not booked for The National.
        
        4 June
        
        ATP announce The National is not at Camber. Accuse Butlins of lying.
        
        14 June
        
        Shellac NBC announced
        
        15 June
        
        Shellac NBC on sale
        
        21 June
        
        Barry calls a creditors meeting prior to liquidation. 2011 accounts show a net worth of the company of Minus £2.1 Million.
        
        28 June
        
        Creditors meeting
        
        3 Jul
        
        21 June notice uncovered. Willwal appear to take control of ATP assets. SPECULATION - agreed at creditors meeting?
        
        4 July
        
        ATP statement promised
        
        5 July
        
        ATP statement awaited
        
        Interestingly, HMRC tried to wind up ATP Concerts in June 2011 - presumably for unpaid taxes.
        
        tamperevident | 5 Jul '12, 10:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        add into that announcements of line up details that were put back and then never materialised
        
        cat_race @tamperevident | 5 Jul '12, 10:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        What's the thing about Primavera headliners?
        
        Ta
        
        JimmyHuntspill @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 10:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Primavera
        
        Neither the Melvins or Sleep played. Sleep played in Florida about 30 hours after they were due on stage in Barcelona.
        
        tamperevident @JimmyHuntspill | 5 Jul '12, 10:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        were either of those bands good enough to release any information to their fan
        
        as to why they didn't play?
        
        cat_race @tamperevident | 5 Jul '12, 10:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Sleep didn't play because Matt Pike was in hospital
        
        which seems like a pretty good reason to me
        
        joeymahone @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 10:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        *rehab
        
        Jordan_229_2 @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 10:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        joeymahone this'd this
        
        think he might have been hospitalised and went to rehab afterwards
        
        either way, it's not really something you can blame ATP for
        
        joeymahone @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 10:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        He seemed fine at Ally Pally!
        
        Ichor @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 11:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        so?
        
        joeymahone @Ichor | 5 Jul '12, 11:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i'm not saying they did or didn't have a good reason.
        
        just wondering if they communicated anything
        
        cat_race @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 10:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Also available on Twitter, Facebook, etc
        
        http://www.primaverasound.com/noticiaSingle?id=833&lang=en
        
        aboynamedgoo @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 10:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        fair enough
        
        just wasn't really following that at the time. cheers.
        
        cat_race @aboynamedgoo | 5 Jul '12, 10:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        primavera
        
        pay the bands surely, not ATP
        
        zahidf @tamperevident | 5 Jul '12, 10:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Not headliners
        
        2 bands due to play the ATP stage cancelled: Sleep (drug-related illness) and Melvins (for reasons beyond the control of the organisation).
        
        aboynamedgoo @JimmyHuntspill | 5 Jul '12, 10:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        joeymahone this'd this
        
        yeah, probably not worth getting hung up on Primavera
        
        I can't image those bands were uproariously expensive, they were far from the only or the most high profile cancellations from a festival that was unluckily blighted with them, and also I don't imagine the financial arrangement is as simple as ATP run the stage as its own self-contained festival, I doubt the Primavera bands are directly paid by ATP...
        
        lukowski @aboynamedgoo | 5 Jul '12, 10:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        every one makes mistakes...
        
        barry hogan is a legend. end of.
        
        personal fave moment... how he tells every one to quieten down in that atp documentary/film/brochure when he wants to watch that news report of himself. he also uses the c-word as well a few times. legend.
        
        unicronn @tamperevident | 5 Jul '12, 10:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        regardless of his past successes
        
        he, or someone on his behalf, needs to step up to the plate and provide some information
        
        cat_race @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 10:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ag
        
        reed
        
        unicronn @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 10:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        no, i can't understand that.
        
        cheers
        
        cat_race @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 10:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        agreed
        
        ag
        reed
        
        unicronn @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 11:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        oh right. good.
        
        cat_race @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 11:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        maybe barry should HULK up?!
        
        ;)
        
        Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 10:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        lustforlife this'd this
        
        hehe
        
        Jordan_229_2 @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 10:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        JohnM this'd this
        
        the new jersey line up looks good
        
        Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 11:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        fuck off
        
        :)
        
        cat_race @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 11:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        actually, do you want to buy a ticket?
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 11:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        what?arent you goin?
        
        Jordan_229_2 @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 12:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        time will tell innit
        
        cat_race @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 12:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        yeah i thought this. greg dulli has great taste.
        
        fuckyeahdubstep @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 11:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Matt_was_taken this'd this
        
        Latest from facebook
        
        All Tomorrow's Parties: Hi Alan, the HMRC realised their mistake and awarded us a tax rebate which cancelled that out and put us in credit with them.
        
        SO it looks like no trouble with HRMC
        
        Yesiamaduck | 5 Jul '12, 12:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        that was based on this notice from 2011..
        
        http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/59822/notices/1382044/all=atp+concerts+
        
        fiddygent @Yesiamaduck | 5 Jul '12, 12:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i think its safe to say
        
        that most people will certainly NOT be buying tickets in advance for future ATP events.
        
        i do not feel at all comfortable parting with my money to that organziation. any one feel the same? think the national/shellac ones would be a good send off/finale.
        
        unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 13:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Just make sure to pay with a credit card if you are worried
        
        ThingsThatFly @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 13:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        petec and aboynamedgoo this'd this
        
        Although I guess a chalet is credit limit busting for some
        
        ThingsThatFly @ThingsThatFly | 5 Jul '12, 13:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        take payments threw paypal so thwt wont help you
        
        als
        
        Yesiamaduck @ThingsThatFly | 5 Jul '12, 21:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Only last night you were suggesting some kind of fundraising drive
        
        joeymahone @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 14:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        clearly
        
        there isn't much support for this. sigh.
        
        and i think if people want to support atp, they should maybe just give them donations direct. or buy tickets. that's pretty reasonable i think.
        
        unicronn @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 14:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        the thing with fundraising/kickstarter is...
        
        that you're giving money to a company who have fucked up in their management of booking/organising events/gigs etc. So you want to give them money, to then put on more events which you will then pay them more money to go to....only for the possibility of the same thing happening again (or not, but it is a possibility). It just seems ridiculous.
        
        moff @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 14:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        The scale of the decline
        
        makes fundraising or a kickstarter pointless.
        
        When you look at the records for this version of the company (noting All Tomorrow's Parties Limited was dissolved at some previous time, and ATP Concerts Limited has only existed since 2007) the company has been worth around £500,000 less every year.
        
        In big handfuls, the income from a full Minehead should be about that - 5000 people at £100 each. So the fundraising would need to be equivalent to donating a whole ATP weekend's worth of tickets, with all the artists and services being free. Every year.
        
        tamperevident @moff | 5 Jul '12, 14:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Except that you just wrote "i do not feel at all comfortable parting with my money to that organziation"
        
        Make your mind up, eh?
        
        joeymahone @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 14:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        cat_race and the-breacher this'd this
        
        ps
        
        the whole kickstarter/pledge thing was a joke btw....
        
        unicronn @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 15:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/seinfeld.gif
        
        joeymahone @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 15:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        fiddygent this'd this
        
        Such a perfect loop.
        
        TheoGB @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 15:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        is that
        
        larry david right?
        
        unicronn @TheoGB | 5 Jul '12, 15:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I hope that's a joke.
        
        Otherwise you may be dead to me.
        
        TheoGB @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 15:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        better safe than sorry
        
        cat_race @TheoGB | 5 Jul '12, 15:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ;)
        
        unicronn @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 15:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Ban request
        
        joeymahone @unicronn | 5 Jul '12, 15:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Just got an email from them saying a few chalets for the National
        
        have become available, 6 berth. I kind of want reply and say YEAH BUT maybe you should put out your BLOODY STATEMENT guys?
        
        plasticniki | 5 Jul '12, 14:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        really? hahahahaha
        
        fucking hell
        
        cat_race @plasticniki | 5 Jul '12, 15:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        does any one
        
        want a spare ticket for the shellac one btw?...
        
        unicronn @plasticniki | 5 Jul '12, 15:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Nah, just hand over £1,000+. It'll *definitely* be safe.
        
        White_Privilege @plasticniki | 5 Jul '12, 15:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        this'd this
        
        You do realise we aren't really getting a statement, right?
        
        Is anyone else really starting to admire their chutzpah?
        
        JimmyHuntspill @White_Privilege | 5 Jul '12, 15:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i just want them to say it's all off so i can start to make other plans
        
        cat_race @JimmyHuntspill | 5 Jul '12, 15:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        http://www.packerpalace.com/palace07/poster-free-beer-tomorrow.jpg
        
        fiddygent @JimmyHuntspill | 5 Jul '12, 15:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        well done, DISsers
        
        you've now been complaining about ATP for over 11 years
        
        http://drownedinsound.com/news/825
        
        shadyadie | 5 Jul '12, 15:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Cementimental and chasingabee this'd this
        
        After calling people who had genuine complaints about this years festival, "miserable fucking pricks," "soap dodging students," and "tossers"
        
        wonder if any of it has been justified
        
        cat_race @shadyadie | 5 Jul '12, 15:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        hardly unprovoked
        
        shadyadie @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 15:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        personally i think there's a lot to be said for NOT insulting people
        
        but the way ATP have just blacked out comms now i'm starting to wonder
        
        cat_race @shadyadie | 5 Jul '12, 15:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I've noticed on dis that the people with ATP criticisms are mostly people with reasonable comments, where as the pro ATP camp are the ones that are really belittling and sycophantic towards ATP and come off a lot worse than the former, this is a good example of that, there is no way it was acceptable for mr ATP to say that
        
        ThingsThatFly @shadyadie | 5 Jul '12, 17:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I wonder what these "genuine complaints" were
        
        joeymahone @cat_race | 5 Jul '12, 15:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        So that was Bob Weston who trod on me!
        
        dan_thw @shadyadie | 5 Jul '12, 15:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        no-class this'd this
        
        Sounds like you deserved it.
        
        joeymahone @dan_thw | 5 Jul '12, 15:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I got him back by repeatedly requesting Kenickie in the bar when he was DJing
        
        I DON'T HAVE ANY ... KEN-ICK-EEE ... JUST ... JUST FUCK OFF!!
        
        dan_thw @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 15:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        vamos and no-class this'd this
        
        Hahahaha
        
        (Is that true?!)
        
        joeymahone @dan_thw | 5 Jul '12, 16:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        vamos and lozpawley can confirm this to be absolutely true
        
        4:00am, Queen Vic, maybe 2004?
        
        dan_thw @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 23:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        vamos this'd this
        
        <3
        
        joeymahone @dan_thw | 6 Jul '12, 09:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        congrats
        
        your claim to fame is being an utter douche bag who got trod on.
        
        where's that clapping pic of larry david?
        
        unicronn @dan_thw | 6 Jul '12, 11:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I note that the store has been "temporarily closed until further notice"
        
        So no t-shirt buying for me then. Would have thought they'd have wanted to carry on selling merchandise if possible?
        
        Bitters_And_Absolut | 5 Jul '12, 15:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        from the ATP Facebook page
        
        Apologies, the statement we said would be coming today unfortunately has to be slightly delayed; we'll have the info up as soon as we have clearance from all the necessary parties. Thanks for your patience and understanding.
        
        CillaCrack | 5 Jul '12, 16:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        rabble rabble rabble rabble
        
        joeymahone @CillaCrack | 5 Jul '12, 16:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        cat_race and SCROTUM this'd this
        
        can't wait for the next round of crackpot conspiracy theories
        
        joeymahone @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 16:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I heard Barry's been clinically dead for the past three years and Arthur Scargill has been picking the line ups in his place.
        
        TheoGB @joeymahone | 5 Jul '12, 16:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Can't wait for the Miner Threat reformation
        
        joeymahone @TheoGB | 5 Jul '12, 16:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        TheoGB this'd this
        
        ATP curated by Coaltalk
        
        NickDS @TheoGB | 5 Jul '12, 16:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        TheoGB this'd this
        
        the world keeps waiting...
        
        give them the benefit of the doubt though. they deserve our trust.
        
        just like they deserve not paying butlins for using their venue.
        
        unicronn @CillaCrack | 5 Jul '12, 16:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        This seems to be taking a while
        
        Can we get Snapes on the case?
        
        WhiteLightWhiteCity @CillaCrack | 5 Jul '12, 16:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        What's the deal with this clammering for a statement?
        
        Haven't ATP said all of the events are going ahead and not to worry about it?
        
        What's the point in releasing a statement for releasing a statement's sake? What difference will it make if you don't hear from them until the end of next week??? Just wait until they've got something to tell you, for fuck's sake...
        
        GetOffMyLawn | 5 Jul '12, 16:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        joeymahone, chasingabee, and deadonthestairs this'd this
        
        maybe they'll announce that Fugazi are doing a benefit gig for them.
        
        CillaCrack @GetOffMyLawn | 5 Jul '12, 16:08 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Or maybe they'll announce that YOU'RE ALL FUCKED.
        
        Either way - the specifics of the timing matters not. Just, be patient. They're going through a bankruptcy process, it's not as if they haven't got FUCKLOADS to worry about.
        
        (You people. And I don't even LIKE ATP either...)
        
        GetOffMyLawn @CillaCrack | 5 Jul '12, 16:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I agree with you
        
        not sure what this statement will say anyway, apart from the obvious.
        
        CillaCrack @GetOffMyLawn | 5 Jul '12, 16:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Because no one believes them when they say there's nothing to worry about...
        
        White_Privilege @GetOffMyLawn | 5 Jul '12, 16:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Fair enough.
        
        It'd be nice to know what's going on but, come on, it's not as if you're waiting for news about a plane crash that you suspect your parents might be on is it... it's a fucking festival.
        
        Just... patience, please.
        
        GetOffMyLawn @White_Privilege | 5 Jul '12, 16:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i know it's not life or death
        
        but it's be nice to have some notice for hotel cancellations etc if they're just going to pull the rug. and like W_P says, nobody believes them.
        
        cat_race @GetOffMyLawn | 5 Jul '12, 16:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Maybe they're waiting for confirmation of a financial bail out from the EU.
        
        petec | 5 Jul '12, 16:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        umlaut_ampersand this'd this
        
        ....
        
        I think this might be the worst piece of satire I've ever read.
        
        lemonbrickcombo @petec | 5 Jul '12, 22:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        suedehead and fihiki this'd this
        
        point - counterpoint:
        
        the staff of ATP knew what they were getting themselves into. i say; let them fail.
        
        Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 16:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Antpocalypsenow and no-class this'd this
        
        Some new notices at the Gazette today
        
        such as:
        http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/60200/notices/1623703/all=atp+concerts
        
        myyada | 5 Jul '12, 21:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        everything's fine
        
        Jordan_229_2 @myyada | 5 Jul '12, 22:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Barry Hogan, yesterday
        
        http://i47.tinypic.com/f52d5x.jpg
        
        beepz @Jordan_229_2 | 5 Jul '12, 23:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i just called ATP
        
        it went like this...
        
        "HELLO?"
        "OH HEY IS THAT ATP?"
        "HI, YES IT IS. WHO IS THIS?"
        "ITS UNICRONN FROM THE DIS MSG BOARD"
        "ER... HOW DID YOU GET THIS NUMBER?..."
        "LOOK, I JUST WANT SOME..."
        CLICK
        
        so yep, every things fine i imagine.
        
        unicronn | 6 Jul '12, 11:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        thanks Snapes
        
        CillaCrack @unicronn | 6 Jul '12, 11:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        matt_animals this'd this
        
        thapes
        
        TheWza @CillaCrack | 8 Jul '12, 00:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ma0sm this'd this
        
        They are probably just busy worrying that Wimbledon won't finish on time....
        
        give them a few days and it'll be fine.
        
        moff | 6 Jul '12, 12:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        All those still waiting for this "statement"
        
        need to stop asking "when?", and start asking "who?". Surely?
        
        JimmyHuntspill @moff | 6 Jul '12, 12:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Massively over did it on the inverted commas there
        
        sorry
        
        JimmyHuntspill @JimmyHuntspill | 6 Jul '12, 12:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        hmm
        
        hogan?
        
        Jordan_229_2 @JimmyHuntspill | 6 Jul '12, 12:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ......
        
        http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8J3fdEcwjSA/Tph3QUm9cWI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/3vkNF1APanI/s320/Hulk_Hogan%2B2.jpg
        
        moff @Jordan_229_2 | 6 Jul '12, 12:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Ballsy
        
        http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/announcements/4357708
        
        JimmyHuntspill @moff | 6 Jul '12, 14:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        that is actually awful
        
        cat_race @JimmyHuntspill | 6 Jul '12, 15:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Yeah, Sleepy Suns aren't the best are they
        
        JohnM @cat_race | 6 Jul '12, 15:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        unicronn this'd this
        
        :D
        
        Cementimental @JimmyHuntspill | 6 Jul '12, 15:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Putting an advert on a board that no one looks at in the hope no one will see it.
        
        Top PR work ATP!
        
        Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
        
        White_Privilege @JimmyHuntspill | 6 Jul '12, 15:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Cementimental this'd this
        
        he spent this morning gently whispering the details into the wind
        
        cat_race @White_Privilege | 6 Jul '12, 15:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        just zinged that gig
        
        Jordan_229_2 | 6 Jul '12, 15:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        took him down a peg or two :D
        
        Cementimental @Jordan_229_2 | 6 Jul '12, 15:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Someone just made a good point
        
        all references of the Shellac ATP seem to have disappeared from their facebook page
        
        Yesiamaduck | 7 Jul '12, 11:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Ignore this.
        
        Yesiamaduck @Yesiamaduck | 7 Jul '12, 12:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        all tickets off sale
        
        it looks like... :(
        
        unicronn @Yesiamaduck | 7 Jul '12, 12:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        http://www.gigantic.com//gigantic/event_gce_37026a.html
        
        Jordan_229_2 @unicronn | 7 Jul '12, 12:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Maybe it doesn't work if you try?
        
        At We Got Tickets you have:
        http://www.wegottickets.com/f/4717
        
        TheoGB @Jordan_229_2 | 7 Jul '12, 12:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Tickets have been off-sale for a few days (since this thread surfaced I think, maybe earlier)
        
        It's still on their site if you look: http://www.atpfestival.com/events/shellacxmas.php
        
        If there is any reason the tickets have gone off it would likely just be to adjust legal names if they are affected.
        
        I wouldn't worry.
        
        TheoGB @unicronn | 7 Jul '12, 12:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        They don't appear to be off sale
        
        Yesiamaduck @TheoGB | 7 Jul '12, 12:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        See the We Got Tickets link
        
        'Currently Unavailable'.
        
        They would say 'sold out' if they were. Or maybe it's just WGT.
        
        TheoGB @Yesiamaduck | 7 Jul '12, 12:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think even sold out tickets say 'not currently available' on we got tickets
        
        Yesiamaduck @TheoGB | 7 Jul '12, 12:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Not my experience with gigs but who knows.
        
        I'm honestly pretty surprised if We Got Tickets already sold out their allocation of this.
        
        TheoGB @Yesiamaduck | 7 Jul '12, 12:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        If 'no tickets are available' is displayed, this means that we have sold out of our current allocation of tickets, but the organiser hasn't formally taken the event off sale. This may mean that the event organiser will go on to allocate more tickets to us. Alternatively, there may well still be tickets available through the venue box office or other agents, and we suggest you contact the event organiser for more information about ticket outlets.
        
        Yesiamaduck @TheoGB | 7 Jul '12, 12:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Ah right. Fair enough.
        
        Well that's a shame for people wanting WGT. Although the booking fee was still a colossal £28.
        
        TheoGB @Yesiamaduck | 7 Jul '12, 12:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        From experience the WGT option always sells stupendously fast with ATP
        
        In all fairness, based off of the ticketing websites, Shellac appears to have sold quite well for a festival with no announcements
        
        Yesiamaduck @TheoGB | 7 Jul '12, 12:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        We Go Tickets have been off sale for over a week.
        
        I ended up buying my tickets from Gigantic.
        
        petec | 7 Jul '12, 12:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        is this just being forgotten about then?
        
        cat_race | 9 Jul '12, 09:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Cementimental this'd this
        
        the
        
        faith no more gig went ahead this sunday, so i guess the concerts are still going ahead. Anything else we need to worry about as punters?
        
        zahidf @cat_race | 9 Jul '12, 09:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        atp's ability to operate as a going concern.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @zahidf | 9 Jul '12, 09:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        cat_race this'd this
        
        as long as
        
        the current concerts goes ahead, then that's all we should be worried about. I'm sure the team will still promote gigs, even under a different name.
        
        zahidf @Jordan_229_2 | 9 Jul '12, 09:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        So not the risk of buying things for, say, December and then finding they go bust and can't afford to give you a refund?
        
        theguywithnousername @zahidf | 9 Jul '12, 09:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Jay-Z's laugh
        
        Cementimental @Jordan_229_2 | 9 Jul '12, 09:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Well, it proves they've got funds in the short-term to keep going.
        
        Doesn't by any means guarantee there's no trouble further up the road. I mean there might not be but I'd personally still be reluctant to buy tickets for events a few months down the line until things were a bit more certain.
        
        theguywithnousername @zahidf | 9 Jul '12, 09:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        well the fest in new jersey for example. it's only a couple of months away
        
        hotel bookings are seperate from it, unlike the uk festivals. only half the line up has been announced and we're hearing nothing on it. it'd be nice to know what was going on so that IF it doesn't go ahead (which feels increasingly likely as announcements either say it's fine or re. line up etc are just not happening) then people can make arrangements such as cancelling travel&hotel arrangements and have some change of recouping money that is being laid out to other companies. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect some word on a festival with an incomplete (or incompletely announced) line up that is two months away.
        
        cat_race @zahidf | 9 Jul '12, 09:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        no
        
        That's true. But then, they have put out a statement saying that all the events are still going ahead. So assume the festival is going ahead until you hear otherwise?
        
        I'm not buying any tickets just in case though: i only have Afghan Whigs and Godspeed to worry about at the moment
        
        zahidf @cat_race | 9 Jul '12, 09:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        deadonthestairs this'd this
        
        yeah, i know that's the last we heard
        
        i guess i just feel like a little more communication wouldn't go amiss. obviously i have a vested interest in IBYM so that's where my attention has been. there was supposed to be an announcement on new acts for the line up about a month ago now and still nothing, it is pretty par for the course i suppose. i've taken to just messaging bands to ask if they will be playing there. i think i got a kind of obtuse 'yes' from tall firs
        
        cat_race @zahidf | 9 Jul '12, 09:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        If you were a band...
        
        ...would you accept a booking at the moment (assuming the bands know as much as us)?
        
        JimmyHuntspill @cat_race | 9 Jul '12, 09:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        probably not
        
        and there's the problem with the "everything's fine" statement that was issued, what, a week ago now? right or wrongly people are on edge and i think it would be smart for it to be addressed
        
        cat_race @JimmyHuntspill | 9 Jul '12, 09:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think someone would be mental to buy a ticket for an event at the moment,
        
        especially a festival.
        
        moff | 9 Jul '12, 09:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        are you referring to ATP or in general?
        
        either way I agree.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @moff | 9 Jul '12, 09:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think it's wise advice in general yes!
        
        I'd actively laugh at anyone who did it for the shellac one now. One band announced, a company that appears to be financially fucked....here, have £700!
        
        moff @Jordan_229_2 | 9 Jul '12, 12:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        FUCK YOU :(
        
        Yesiamaduck @moff | 9 Jul '12, 12:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        THE
        
        TRUTH
        
        unicronn @Yesiamaduck | 10 Jul '12, 10:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        TBF I paid before the financial anouncement
        
        and I got the deposit scheme, so I've only handed over £300 :/
        
        Yesiamaduck @unicronn | 10 Jul '12, 11:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        So, without wanting to be one of those lazy people who can't be arsed to read the thread
        
        I'm guessing buying Shellac ATP tickets right now is... bad...?
        
        vamos | 10 Jul '12, 11:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Would be absolutely
        
        mental
        
        JimmyHuntspill @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 12:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Nah, go for it
        
        Think I read somewhere that everything is fine and all planned events will go ahead.
        
        JohnM @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 12:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        That's what ATP said
        
        however, understandably, everyone is still super dubious
        
        Yesiamaduck @JohnM | 10 Jul '12, 12:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        No, you'd be perfectly sensible to buy them.
        
        Just put it on credit card and you'll have nothing to fear as your card company will have to refund you even if it gets cancelled:
        http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/section75-protect-your-purchases
        
        If anything I'd say the folding of the old company makes it a safer bet buying tickets now than it was, say, 6 months ago - certainly if the tickets sell well (which with a smaller venue I imagine they will).
        But you can get your tickets - and support atp - without needing to take any risk.
        
        manfrompub @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 13:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Yeah, purchasing on a Credit Card is a non risk
        
        Yesiamaduck @manfrompub | 10 Jul '12, 13:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Addendum
        
        it's possible- but unlikely that your credit card company may not cover you if the tickets are sold by an intermediary ticket agency and not direct from ATP.
        
        However, tickets agencies that are members of STAR (http://www.star.org.uk/) - which include Gigantic, Stargreen and Wegottickets - all commit to "refund booking fees and the ticket's face value if an event is cancelled" - whatever kind of card you use.
        
        manfrompub @manfrompub | 10 Jul '12, 13:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think it's fine for ticket agencies
        
        but transactions from brokers such as Paypal are not covered.
        
        Yesiamaduck @manfrompub | 10 Jul '12, 14:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        btw
        
        did that statement ever make it out?
        
        i was distracted by the whole bloc shenanigans.
        
        unicronn | 10 Jul '12, 12:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        nope
        
        nothing. last comms (to my knowledge) was on the 5th of July
        
        "Apologies, the statement we said would be coming today unfortunately has to be slightly delayed. we'll have the info up as soon as we have clearance from all the necessary parties. Thanks for your patience and understanding."
        
        and loads of people want to seem totally right on are supporting them in being slow (even though realistically it is totally right for people to expect some information) and i think that has encouraged them to just slow down. they released a tweet that said they would have something 'tomorrow' and i replied saying 'cool, i will check back in two weeks' i thought i was joking. maybe the end of the month?
        
        cat_race @unicronn | 10 Jul '12, 12:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        New backers
        
        probably told them to stop engaging with those miffly dicks on the internet and start tie-ing up some advertising deals.
        
        Or something.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 12:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        kmart this'd this
        
        in general that's fine
        
        but an official statement wouldn't go amiss
        
        cat_race @JimmyHuntspill | 10 Jul '12, 13:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        .
        
        It is right to expect some information, but what if there *is* no information (e.g. they're still tied up in legal stuff and nothing has been settled yet)? It would be equally frustrating I think if they kept releasing statements saying 'Wait please!'
        
        isibuko @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 13:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        JimmyHuntspill this'd this
        
        that's possibly true
        
        but i find it hard to believe they have ZERO information. they haven't said ANYTHING. I'm no expert, i'm just a frustrated guy that feels like some more information should have been shared by now. maybe that's unreaonable idk
        
        cat_race @isibuko | 10 Jul '12, 14:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        *unreasonable
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 14:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        still announcing
        
        new gigs...
        
        http://www.wegottickets.com/event/177160
        
        BALAM ACAB
        LONDON: Birthdays
        Wed 10th Oct,
        
        zahidf @tohereknowswhen | 10 Jul '12, 14:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i think using the term 'msg board grumble'
        
        to refer to customers that have laid out thousands of pounds on flights, hotels and event tickets it a little daft
        
        cat_race @tohereknowswhen | 10 Jul '12, 14:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        collectively i meant, is it.
        
        but still, like i said below. i'm going to shut up. they can go under for all i care. bands matter, promoters? not as much.
        
        cat_race @tohereknowswhen | 10 Jul '12, 14:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        .
        
        I'm sure they aren't keen on this situation either though - I doubt they're sitting on information just to piss everyone off. I'm no expert either but I would have thought that the legal processes that are possibly going on at the moment a) take a while to get through and b) necessitate a bit of discretion on the part of all parties. I'm sure a statement will come when it's ready to come, but it's gotta be ready rather than sketchy piecemeal, don't you think?
        
        In addition to that, they HAVE shared information. They have said 'All future shows are definitely going ahead'. Whether you choose to believe that is up to you, but hang tight bro - it'll come!
        
        isibuko @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 14:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        monpot this'd this
        
        yeah, you're probably right
        
        i'll just shut up
        
        cat_race @isibuko | 10 Jul '12, 14:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Glad I'm chaleted up
        
        for the Shellac weekend. Wouldn't want to miss that cause I hesitated due to internet board grumblings.
        Just sayin'.
        
        bealsy | 10 Jul '12, 16:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Be nice if they announced a band or two as well...
        
        vamos @bealsy | 10 Jul '12, 16:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        they've got incomplete bills that are more pressing than that
        
        cat_race @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 16:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        sorry, i did mean to shut up
        
        i'm going to glue my head shut
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 16:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I bet it's frustrating though
        
        given that you're travelling some distance for the festival. I hope it does go ahead as planned.
        
        CillaCrack @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 16:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        thanks
        
        :)
        
        cat_race @CillaCrack | 10 Jul '12, 16:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Just saying that, as much as I trust Shellac to pick some good stuff and am 95% going already
        
        Knowing a little bit what you're getting into is always nice.
        
        Thought Glastonbury always used to be a surprise when tickets went on sale, didn't it? Guess it's not so niche though.
        
        vamos @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 16:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I'll just keep the memories of the one they did previously 10 years ago,
        
        when I knew that my money wouldn't just disappear after booking
        
        moff @bealsy | 10 Jul '12, 16:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I'm going......
        
        at least I hope I am....
        I have no beef with ATP. I hope I don't live to regret my trust.
        
        nickd | 10 Jul '12, 16:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Paypal refunded
        
        Has anyone else been asked to pay for the Shellac ATP directly to Bary Hogan's bank account? I bought a chalet directly from ATP and paid via Paypal. This has now been refunded (citing "problems with our Paypal account") and I'm now being asked to pay the cash directly into Barry Hogan's PERSONAL bank account. This seems a bit odd and would obviously leave me with no protection at all if anything goes wrong. Anyone else in this boat?
        
        partlyfish | 10 Jul '12, 16:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Jamie Summers ?@jamie_summers
        anyone out there able to recommend a good reliable Paypal alternative?
        
        that's pretty hilarious
        
        cat_race @partlyfish | 10 Jul '12, 16:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ...
        
        what?
        
        Verbal @partlyfish | 10 Jul '12, 16:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        that sounds ridiculous.
        
        Verbal @partlyfish | 10 Jul '12, 16:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        cat_race and Cementimental this'd this
        
        That has to be a joke
        
        No way.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @Verbal | 10 Jul '12, 16:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        this is exactly the reason i feel justified in not just waiting for more information
        
        such bollocks
        
        cat_race @Verbal | 10 Jul '12, 16:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Don't think this is trolling.
        
        I was offered a place on the deposit scheme last week as a space came available and I was also sent details to transfer money to a bank account with the name Mr B Hogan. Didn't end up paying as everyone was a bit worried about the whole situation.
        
        Bookshelf @partlyfish | 10 Jul '12, 16:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Not sure why this appeared here...
        
        ...
        
        Bookshelf @Bookshelf | 10 Jul '12, 16:52 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I just got an e-mail asking me to pay for the Shellac ATP
        
        by withdrawing the cash from an ATM, then just hanging around there until a middle-aged man with a lanyard and a walkie talkie comes up to me and asks for it.
        
        marckee @partlyfish | 10 Jul '12, 16:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        no-class this'd this
        
        Dear dear DiS...
        
        1 board post. I suspect it's a bored / board user.
        
        vamos @partlyfish | 10 Jul '12, 16:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i said it sounds ridiculous
        
        not that i believed it off-hat.
        
        Summers is asking for a paypal alternative tho.
        
        Verbal @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 16:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Oh really?
        
        That's... yeah...
        
        (That wasn't directed at you, I just posted it in the wrong place)
        
        vamos @Verbal | 10 Jul '12, 16:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        it's ok
        
        we're all friends!
        
        Verbal @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 17:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Not bored, just concerned
        
        No, not bored, just concerned. It's my first post here because I just signed up because I saw this thread and it seemed a good place to ask my question as there might be others in the same boat as me here.
        
        partlyfish @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 17:22 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Excellent Trolling....
        
        fiddygent @partlyfish | 10 Jul '12, 16:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        LordLuciusBanter, aboynamedgoo, moshymoshy, vamos, JimmyHuntspill, and no-class this'd this
        
        but this?
        
        Jamie Summers ?@jamie_summers
        anyone out there able to recommend a good reliable Paypal alternative?
        
        cat_race @fiddygent | 10 Jul '12, 16:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        at almost exactly the same time
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 16:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Rebuild
        
        marckee | 10 Jul '12, 16:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Hi
        
        We were indeed taking payments directly for a short time due to Paypal problems meaning we couldn't do it using that (those problems started months ago and is unrelated to any of the current things going on).
        
        Anyway soon after that we went back and told anyone who didn't want to do that that we could setup a private gigantic link for them to use instead. Have pmed partlyfish to find out why he didn't get that.
        
        It was a temporary and not ideal thing we had to do as the paypal account went out of action a couple of days after the shellac deposit scheme went on sale.
        
        Jamie_Summers | 10 Jul '12, 16:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i want to stress that i have no hard feeling towards you and you're just doing your job
        
        but can you see how it looks bad that nothing is EVER said until something like this comes to light and then there's suddenly a quick word on it?
        
        cat_race @Jamie_Summers | 10 Jul '12, 17:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        vamos this'd this
        
        well its not a particularly interesting problem
        
        and we dealt directly with anyone that had questions about it or felt concerned about it, so there wasn't a particular need to make any sort of announcement.
        
        Jamie_Summers @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 17:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i think asking customers to pay directly into the owners account is kind of a big deal
        
        and a pretty dangerous and potentially reputation ruining thing for a company to be doing
        
        cat_race @Jamie_Summers | 10 Jul '12, 17:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Verbal, Cementimental, partlyfish, JimmyHuntspill, and WhiteLightWhiteCity this'd this
        
        Yeah, I've gotta say I'm with you on this one
        
        You can't say 'there are changes happening within the company', 'We're going to make a statement', never do so, continue as if nothing happened then ask people to pay directly into someone at the company's account before then withdrawing the option and doing a David Cameron by saying 'THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE'.
        
        I don't know what the legal situation is your end and if indeed you can / can't say anything, but you MUST be able to see why people are concerned by that chain of events?
        
        Also, sorry for doubting you partlyfish.
        
        vamos @cat_race | 10 Jul '12, 17:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        silverfoxqpr this'd this
        
        OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
        
        "THERE IS NO ANNOUNCEMENT"
        
        jamie, more importantly, can you confirm you read all the amusing posts about ATP up above please. yes or no?
        
        unicronn @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 17:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Cementimental this'd this
        
        because i can never tell...
        
        since you tend to do a disappearing act anytime the shit hits the fan it seems.
        
        unicronn @unicronn | 10 Jul '12, 17:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        The only thing I can conclude from this, is that...
        
        ...everythings fine.
        
        Yeah, send thousands of pounds to the MD's personal account even though you know the company he owns has gone into liquidation. Nothing weird about that. Nothing at all.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @unicronn | 10 Jul '12, 17:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Cementimental and partlyfish this'd this
        
        Apology accepted :-)
        
        partlyfish @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 17:22 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I got nothing
        
        Well, in fact, rather than an offer of another way to pay, I've just had about 4 further e-mails asking me to transfer the cash to the same bank account...thanks for the pm - I'll reply there
        
        partlyfish @Jamie_Summers | 10 Jul '12, 17:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        People I would be more likely to send cash to right now than Barry;
        
        1. Nigel Ooboloobo (apparently heir to the throne of Nigeria) who often emails under similar circumstances.
        
        Why on earth wouldn't the money be to the Wilwall account? Is Barry about to do a runner with any cash that anyone really stupid has sent him?
        
        JimmyHuntspill @partlyfish | 10 Jul '12, 17:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        partlyfish this'd this
        
        The last time there was a mad ATP splurge here
        
        when it all went belly up with there suddenly being a retro weekend on sale at Minehead before they'd made any kind of announcement as to why the Mangum thing was postponed, I remember saying how badly handled the whole thing was. Ditto here. They really do not do themselves any favours, legal requirements or no. I cannot believe they even thought for a minute it was acceptable to ask for payments directly to the business owner's account when they had made no announcement on the financial stability of the company.
        I know they don't agree with sponsorship but Christ they could do with employing a half decent PR agency.
        
        marfamac | 10 Jul '12, 17:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Yeah, is amazing
        
        I mean, how certain is anyone that Barry is actually involved in the festival still? As far as we know he is just a guy with a liquidating company, and a databse of email addresses. Really insane behaviour.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @marfamac | 10 Jul '12, 17:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Cementimental this'd this
        
        From the BBC live sports feed:
        
        'Just seen Barry Hogan boarding a jet ski on a Bahamian jetty with a suitcase stuffed full of £50 notes and wearing a Lightning Bolt mask' - Bob Weston of North America
        
        vamos @JimmyHuntspill | 10 Jul '12, 17:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        pichaelmarker this'd this
        
        :D
        
        Cementimental @vamos | 10 Jul '12, 17:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        splitterwill this'd this
        
        He's listed as a director of Willwal
        
        For whatever that's worth.
        http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08091530
        
        Infinite_Jest @JimmyHuntspill | 10 Jul '12, 20:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        This is terrible
        
        It has all the hallmarks of a company going busy and trying to get as much money in that it knows it won't have to payback (remember when fopp went cash only and then didn't pay it's staff). It might not be the case but they have lost credibility, the last time with the magnum thing when they said there were reasons they couldn't give more info (implying legal stuff) turned out to be false so it may well be the same this time. I know up thread people criticised gloating but I do think that after all the stick the mifflers who questioned atps customer relations in the past recieved should feel vindicated now, it seems those concerns have come to full fruition. I'd be surprised if it doesn't fall though
        
        ThingsThatFly | 10 Jul '12, 18:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I mean who has weeks long problem with PayPal
        
        The make millions of payments everyday, thousands of businesses rely on it to function, I'm pretty sure they would clear up problems quicker than that
        
        ThingsThatFly @ThingsThatFly | 10 Jul '12, 18:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        People can
        
        be stuck for ages without Paypal access due to a dispute etc. It's not uncommon.
        
        beepz @ThingsThatFly | 10 Jul '12, 19:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        yep, like this
        
        http://www.regretsy.com/2012/03/12/paypal-does-it-again/
        
        long_tailed_tit @beepz | 10 Jul '12, 20:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        haha no
        
        it's well known that they can, have done and will just take your money for any/no reason for as long as they feel like and there's not a lot you can easily or quickly do about it.
        
        NEVER a good idea to keep large sums in a paypal account and if you're ATP there probably would be a lot in there at some points.
        
        Cementimental @ThingsThatFly | 11 Jul '12, 11:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I stand corrected
        
        ThingsThatFly @Cementimental | 11 Jul '12, 13:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        *bust
        
        ThingsThatFly @ThingsThatFly | 10 Jul '12, 22:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I dont get it, I corrected a typo
        
        ThingsThatFly @tohereknowswhen | 10 Jul '12, 22:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        yeah looking back at it it was an unnecessary correction, the first few words in islation it might have made a difference
        
        ThingsThatFly @tohereknowswhen | 10 Jul '12, 22:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        *isolation
        
        ThingsThatFly @ThingsThatFly | 10 Jul '12, 23:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i did see that a couple of days ago
        
        when i noticed they were playing a gig in NY on the 20th (while i'm there) so decided to check. but yeah, what it means is uncertain. thanks for the shout.
        
        cat_race @Pigfoot | 11 Jul '12, 09:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I have heard about loads of problems with Paypal
        
        and they don't seem to sort them out particularly quickly.
        
        I find it abit weird that people are so quick to presume that this is a disaster. ATP are put on good events and that's why I like them. I don't really care if they are great at PR and business even. Live Nation are so great at business that they tout their own tickets, being good at business isn't always all it is cracked up to be. This must be a pretty difficult time for ATP and I get the feeling that whatever announcements they make some people on this board would not be reassured. I can understand people with tickets for New Jersey being super stressed out due to the extra expense of attending this festival. However ATP have said that events will go ahead and I feel positive that they will until I hear otherwise. But then I am too lazy to worry about stuff that hasn't happened yet.
        
        liz1973 | 10 Jul '12, 19:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Pozzo this'd this
        
        ATP are put on good events
        
        they certainly am!
        
        Jordan_229_2 @liz1973 | 10 Jul '12, 19:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        PedanticNobber, GFontaine, Cementimental, and no-class this'd this
        
        Surely a big point is being missed here
        
        ATP have gone into liquidation. Basically don't exist anymore. All of this "they should do this" and "they should do that" is irrelevant as "they" don't exist in this context.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @Jordan_229_2 | 10 Jul '12, 20:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        :D
        
        Jordan_229_2 @Pigfoot | 10 Jul '12, 20:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Just so it stays at the bottom
        
        Barry Hogan has set up a new company (on 31st May and under a new name) which now seems to own all of the assets of ATP Concerts and leaving all of their debts (owed to real people, paid out for printing, photos etc) unpaid and never claimable.
        
        This is sort of why some of us might want an answer. Not least because Barry planned a month ago for the scenario which was uncovered a week ago, so you'd think he'd have an idea what to say to people.
        
        He might actually want to think about what Steve Albini might think about him fucking over normal people just trying to make a living in the music industry. That might be why he's struggling to make a public statement.
        
        tamperevident | 10 Jul '12, 21:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Jordan_229_2, ThingsThatFly, umlaut_ampersand, JimmyHuntspill, and Cementimental this'd this
        
        For clarity
        
        £1.8 Million pounds in liability. How are these people being paid by Willwal taking control? Has Willwal just paid for the £2 Million in assets of ATP Cpncerts or has it met the liabilities as well?
        
        We could also ask what happened when All Tomorrows Parties Limited was dissolved and ATP Concerts Limited formed, although I acknowledge if there were sharp practices at the time I was uknowingly party to it in giving Barry money for ATPs in 2007.
        
        tamperevident @tamperevident | 10 Jul '12, 21:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I guess butlins may have taken a hit
        
        around this time atp were feigning ignorance and saying they had booked the weekend and didnt know why butlins shelved them for another weekend. with hindsight seems quite restrained of bulletins to not go into detail, and again reason to be highly skeptical
        
        ThingsThatFly @tamperevident | 10 Jul '12, 23:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Which 'normal people' is he fucking over?
        
        That seems a weird sort of statement. So far as I can see if he's screwing over anyone it would be Butlins, which isn't to say that's acceptable, but maybe be clearer?
        
        TheoGB @tamperevident | 11 Jul '12, 08:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Normal people
        
        This came to light in the first place when somebody posted on their FB that the liquidator had told them they wouldn't be paid for some printing they'd done.
        
        tamperevident @TheoGB | 11 Jul '12, 08:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Ah apologies.
        
        I didn't know about that. There's so much 'noise' in this thread it's worth being clear about these things.
        
        TheoGB @tamperevident | 11 Jul '12, 08:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        In any liquidation of that size
        
        there's usually a number of creditors who'll go either completely unpaid or only get x pence in the pound. HMRC and larger creditors are usually able to swallow any debts owed to them (due to the scale of their business), but often small creditors struggle a lot as a couple of thousand pounds can quite often be a significant part of their turnover.
        
        What I'm guessing we don't know is how many creditors ATP had and what they were owed.
        
        colinzealuk @TheoGB | 11 Jul '12, 10:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        HMRC
        
        Well HMRC weren't a creditor any more according to ATP. The court notice was a mistake, and error was of such a scale they were actually in credit with HMRC.
        
        tamperevident @colinzealuk | 11 Jul '12, 10:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I'm talking generally, not specifically.
        
        colinzealuk @tamperevident | 11 Jul '12, 10:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Get that
        
        I was just making a general point that the sort of person who might be a huge creditor is, according to ATP, not in this case.
        
        tamperevident @colinzealuk | 11 Jul '12, 11:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think you forget that debt to HMRC is public money. The country can't afford to just write off tax
        
        sarahluv @tamperevident | 13 Jul '12, 20:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Not sure what your point is.
        
        ATP/Willwal haven't done anything that millions of companies haven't done before i.e. liquidated, written off their debts, and started afresh. That's what happens in bankruptcy/insolvency. People get screwed over. I'm sure that printers that you are referencing will cope (unless their business model relies upon doing ATP's printing - in which case they're a bit silly).
        
        I mean I know Barry from ATP is a knob, but not sure why you've taken this angle to give him a rodding...
        
        GetOffMyLawn @tamperevident | 11 Jul '12, 10:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think it is fair enough
        
        ATP's thing was about being ethical compared to the corporate festivals, and not having advertising and all that jazz, yet £1.8m of liability is being written off. If you are that printer, your slice is probably a right fucking pain at best. I bet with those sorts of figures it includes other sexier suppliers too, like PA systems and venues (Butlins - "yeah is weird they cancelled on us, we have emails and everything confirming"), and probably a band or two.
        
        You can pretty much guarantee any of those suppliers screwed over wont be talking to Barry any more, so for this to carry on, there needs to be someone new behind it, maybe even fronting it, or it surely doesn't work?
        
        JimmyHuntspill @GetOffMyLawn | 11 Jul '12, 10:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        sarahluv this'd this
        
        Absolutely.
        
        But, for me, this is the murky world of business. Everything's a risk.
        
        People seem to suggest that for the person/business going bust it's all sunshine and caviar after the event. But as you point out, as much as ATP have written off their debts, they have also written off valuable relationships/friendships/other intangible stuff that they rely on.
        
        The thing is, as much as you can dispute the ethics of it all, what's Barry supposed to do? Let ATP go to the wall and take on £1.8m of liability himself, and pay all creditors back over the course of his lifetime? Ain't gonna happen.
        
        Small businesses go bust all the time, owing people money. I'm sure that most folk aren't as critical in auditing other companies regarding whether or not they're `phoenix` enterprises or not...
        
        GetOffMyLawn @JimmyHuntspill | 11 Jul '12, 10:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Why?
        
        Because the sad truth is I'd love to give them my money for the Shellac NBC but I have zero confidence I wouldn't be just throwing it away. And yes, I know I'd get it back from a credit card company or a ticket seller, but that's not the point.
        
        I've been to something like 13 ATP/NBCs (and an IBD), but the Jeff Mangum event stretched my patience to the limit. It got moved - ATP assured us it was Butlins and not them, which turned out not to be true, with it taking David Yow to explain in an interview why - but ATP couldn't be bothered telling the paying customers and were an information void. I wasn't going to The National NBC but, again, the move was discovered before ATP announced it. ATP went as far as to accuse Butlins of lying, but presented no evidence to support that. Shellac has been announced for a month with no other acts. IBYMNY has been about to finalise the bill for weeks now.
        
        ATP first dismissed all of this as rumours, then said they would make a statement, and how now said they're not going to bother. The complete lack of respect for the people giving them money is what's consumed 10 years of my goodwill.
        
        I know that's what happens with liquidation, and it looks like it's not the first time Barry has done it with this business - which you'd think would be a hint. Some honesty and him fronting up and admitting that's what happened - and frankly doing it himself and not through a staffer would go a long way - would restore some faith for a lot of people and might help him trade out of it, assuming that's what he's trying to do.
        
        tamperevident @GetOffMyLawn | 11 Jul '12, 10:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Ah - so you've got several issues with the ethics of their business as a whole?
        
        That's cool - can't argue with any of that.
        
        My problem with ATP has always been that I've thought they were an arrogant organisation. And, again, their arrogance is on display here.
        
        GetOffMyLawn @tamperevident | 11 Jul '12, 11:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        What an absolute shower of shite
        
        ATP you are fucking useless.
        
        WhiteLightWhiteCity | 10 Jul '12, 21:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        For what its worth I emailed The National's manager
        
        who was nice enough to reply and said she has been "assured" by Barry Hogan that the event will go ahead. She also said she expects the organisation to make an announcement "of some sort" later this week.
        
        Yeah, I know its not much.
        
        Bitters_And_Absolut | 10 Jul '12, 22:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        My naïve optimism / sense of humour about this last week
        
        has given way to a simple sense of dread
        
        crashingthrough | 10 Jul '12, 23:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i sort of flit between those two states really.
        
        well, it's not quite dread, because i don't care if atp go under really. the bands will still exist and someone will put them on. it'd be nice if they carried on because they have put some great shows on over the years but i don't feel particularly bothered by the idea of them not existing any more. idk, just would still be nice to get some updates. there's less information here than when i was made redundant last year and there was hardly any then
        
        cat_race @crashingthrough | 11 Jul '12, 09:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        The longer it goes on
        
        oddly the more confident I get about all future events ACTUALLY going on
        
        Yesiamaduck @crashingthrough | 11 Jul '12, 09:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        if i HAD to be on it i'd say that i think they will as well (willwel)
        
        but i don't think that's reason enough to not be asking some questions and expecting answers
        
        cat_race @Yesiamaduck | 11 Jul '12, 09:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        just to say
        
        I am trying to retroactively claim a two week extension on an overdue essay due to this whole ATP debacle
        
        I'll let you know how it goes
        
        SCROTUM | 11 Jul '12, 09:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ?@atpfestival Thanks for your patience in waiting for our statement on the changes within the company- they'll be ready to announce in the next few days.
        
        guntrip | 11 Jul '12, 12:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        From twitter:
        
        ATP Festival ?@atpfestival
        
        Thanks for your patience in waiting for our statement on the changes within the company- they'll be ready to announce in the next few days.
        
        ATP Festival ?@atpfestival
        
        In the meantime we can announce a new London show from Band Of Horses that will be on sale from Friday at 9am: http://bit.ly/S3kqDt
        
        vamos | 11 Jul '12, 12:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Oh flip
        
        Saw the Band of Horses show get announced yesterday on Songkick. Was going to get tickets for it on Friday. Didn't realise who the promoter would be. Doesn't seem like such a good idea now.
        
        Bitters_And_Absolut @vamos | 11 Jul '12, 12:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Another kick into the long grass
        
        I wonder if it is because they are financially so fragile that an announcement would tip them over the edge, maybe the shellac one was a last ditch attempt to fill the coffers (as I guess a lot of customers won't be aware of all this), I guess it would be a difficult position to be in, if it goes bust ticket holders will lose out, so trying to not go bust by getting more ticket holders could be a solution ( though pretty unsustainable long term) but risks even more potentially losing out. I know that is speculation but that's what silence invites
        
        ThingsThatFly @vamos | 11 Jul '12, 13:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        sounds like
        
        digging yourself out of a hole.
        
        Matt_was_taken @ThingsThatFly | 11 Jul '12, 13:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ?
        
        ThingsThatFly @Matt_was_taken | 11 Jul '12, 13:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Oh wait them?
        
        ThingsThatFly @ThingsThatFly | 11 Jul '12, 13:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Matt_was_taken this'd this
        
        Dig up, stupid!
        
        heliolithic @Matt_was_taken | 12 Jul '12, 21:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I know some will say their are complicated circumstances that mean they can't say anything, but certain things are now a matter of record they can acknowledge that
        
        ThingsThatFly @ThingsThatFly | 11 Jul '12, 13:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        why are they thanking us for our patience? i don't think many people have any patience for their antics
        
        Jordan_229_2 | 11 Jul '12, 12:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        There's something weirdly amusing
        
        about the fact Bloc has gone from roaring success to under administration disaster in the space of time it's taken ATP to fail to make a statement on what's going on.
        
        lukowski | 11 Jul '12, 13:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        WhiteLightWhiteCity, Cementimental, and umlaut_ampersand this'd this
        
        Having a massive, massive fuck up involving the cops
        
        Probably helped speed the process on a touch.
        
        WHISKEY_KITTENS @lukowski | 11 Jul '12, 13:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Cementimental this'd this
        
        Hey, ATP! This is what a holding statement looks like. It's not hard:
        
        It is with great sadness that we announce Baselogic Productions (who you all know as Bloc) has been placed into administration following the events of Friday evening. The team are working hard with the administrators to investigate the issues that led to the closure of the event and people will be updated as and when we have new information. We ask that you allow the administrators time to conduct a thorough investigation so we can establish the facts.
        
        Once again we would like to apologise for all of the frustration and disappointment this situation has caused and thank everyone who has supported the team over the years, your continued support means so much to us.
        
        Please see below a press release from Parker Andrews, the appointed administrators.
        
        Parker Andrews appointed administrators for Base Logic Productions Ltd t/a Bloc
        
        On 11 July 2012, Baselogic Productions Ltd trading as Bloc voluntarily entered administration. The appointed administrator is Jamie Playford of Parker Andrews Insolvency Practitioners. An investigation into the facts leading to Baselogic Productions and the administration will be conducted immediately by Parker Andrews and a further statement will be issued in due course. Jamie Playford said: “It is important that we understand the full facts including what funds will be available to creditors and ticketholders and to ensure the information we provide about the next stages of administration is clear and concise”.
        
        http://www.blocweekend.com/
        
        White_Privilege | 11 Jul '12, 13:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        tamperevident and crashingthrough this'd this
        
        It is with great sadness that we announce All Tomorrows Parties Ltd (who you all know as Wilwall) has been placed into administration following the events of the past two years. The team are working hard with the administrators to investigate the issues that led to us messing a decade of hard work up and people will be updated as and when we have new information. We ask that you allow the administrators time to conduct a thorough investigation so we can establish the facts.
        
        Once again we would like to apologise for all of the frustration and disappointment this situation has caused and thank everyone who has supported the team over the years, your continued support means so much to us.
        
        Please see below a press release from ADMINISTRATORS, the appointed administrators.
        
        ADMINISTRATORS, appointed administrators for ATP Ltd
        
        On 11 July 2012, All Tomorrows Parties Ltd trading as ATP voluntarily entered administration. The appointed administrator is SOMEONE at ADMINISTRATORS. An investigation into the facts leading to All Tomorrows Parties and the administration will be conducted immediately by ADMINISTRATORS and a further statement will be issued in due course. SOMEONE said: “It is important that we understand the full facts including what funds will be available to creditors and ticketholders and to ensure the information we provide about the next stages of administration is clear and concise”.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @White_Privilege | 11 Jul '12, 13:50 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        FINALLY!!
        
        sadpunk @Jordan_229_2 | 11 Jul '12, 14:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I'll be your Mirror went ahead...
        
        which may be the difference between Bloc and ATP. I think ATP realised they were going to lose a lot of money on the Ally Pally gig so they decided to write of a lot of the debt from this (may have been other festivals too) onto the existing business. They then started Willwal for all future concerts. Ass saved...
        
        So ATP were able to financially mange their downfall to survive. Bloc could not...
        
        They then started Willwal for all future concerts. Ass saved...
        
        fj_go_pop | 11 Jul '12, 13:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Is it as easy as that though?
        
        I mean, that sounds as easy as if ATP had just been given £1.5m for free, surely The Law would require them to do something or other
        
        lukowski @fj_go_pop | 11 Jul '12, 14:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        the wonderful world of the limited company
        
        guntrip @lukowski | 11 Jul '12, 16:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I dont think it is free, they have to buy the assets for the new company, dont know where that money goes to, maybe the administrators use it to pay back some of the debts or something. I wonder what assets atp has that are worth £1.5m, seems like a lot for a company that is mainly a name and some know how
        
        ThingsThatFly @lukowski | 11 Jul '12, 19:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Pre Pack Administration / Phoenixing
        
        Seems to be quite common..
        
        fj_go_pop | 11 Jul '12, 15:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Yeah...
        
        ...I'd have hoped that ATP would have found a REALLY REALLY INDIE way to go to the wall - and not phoenix it like every other bastard is doing these days. Such a tediously mainstream bankruptcy.
        
        Another day - another hammerblow to their cred. Soon the age-old question will have to be rephrased to `does jamie_summers actually HAVE any pegs left to be taken down to?`
        
        GetOffMyLawn @fj_go_pop | 11 Jul '12, 15:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        looks like jamie has turned to christ
        
        according to his twitter....!
        
        https://twitter.com/jamesmsummers
        
        don't blame him to be honest.
        
        unicronn | 11 Jul '12, 15:54 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        umlaut_ampersand this'd this
        
        hmmmmm
        
        Got my Calexico tickets in the post today...... thats great timing
        
        Pale-eyedBadger | 11 Jul '12, 16:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        sharon van etten's cancelled her ATP new york appearance...
        
        while subsequently announcing a huge tour. http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2012/07/sharon_van_ette_21.html
        
        seems ominous
        
        Gaemblor | 11 Jul '12, 18:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        and brilliantly has been removed from the lineup on the atp site
        
        without the atp site making any mention to it like when death grips cancelled. losing the last of my faith fast.
        
        cat_race @Gaemblor | 12 Jul '12, 08:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i heard from a man in a pub with a dog
        
        that she wanted money paid up front and they were like "you're havin' a laugh ain't ya, love?".
        
        ps. if i remember correctly, isn't there a message board where steve albini answers questions? would be insightful if some one asked him about this :p
        
        unicronn @cat_race | 12 Jul '12, 10:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        now they've replaced the line up/poster/picture/banner image
        
        and it has been adapted so she isn't on it. how very underhand!
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 12 Jul '12, 16:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        isn't that just a bit weird?
        
        http://www.atpfestival.com/events/ibymusa2012.php
        
        http://www.flickr.com/photos/7388286@N03/7556414490/in/photostream
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 12 Jul '12, 16:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        you'd think that given the circumstances they'd do all they can to keep their audiences informed of line up changes
        
        that said they've never been good at doing it so why change that now?
        
        CillaCrack @cat_race | 12 Jul '12, 16:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        nah, it's nor a surprise. but lineup changes like that are one thing they have a little control over
        
        and the freedom to talk about (most probably)
        
        cat_race @CillaCrack | 12 Jul '12, 16:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        wait! don't worry! my mistakes!
        
        they already addressed it half way through a conversation about something else further down their page
        
        cat_race @CillaCrack | 12 Jul '12, 17:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        All
        
        the gigs currently booked for July have taken place so far ( Faith no More, Yeasayer) so people probably need to take a chill pill
        
        zahidf | 12 Jul '12, 10:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        drdinnermint this'd this
        
        well said zahidf
        
        drdinnermint @zahidf | 12 Jul '12, 10:33 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        They've added a 2nd show for Yeasayer
        
        Yesiamaduck @zahidf | 12 Jul '12, 10:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Will there be a Willwal stage at Primavera next year?
        
        :D
        
        jack_on_fire | 12 Jul '12, 12:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        If
        
        our money has gone into Barry's personal account...what now? My friend paid the rest of our deposits into there last week as she was getting emails hassling her and she didn't know who he was or that it was his personal account. Are we in any way covered if it all goes tits up?
        
        If it goes ahead obviously it's a moot point. But I've got a bit of fear on the go now.
        
        Seeph__ | 12 Jul '12, 22:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        your friend got emails from an unknown source hassling her for a large sum of money to be paid into an account and she complied?
        
        http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/12/53/83/84/ani10.gif
        
        SCROTUM @Seeph__ | 12 Jul '12, 22:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Pretty much the long and short of it.
        
        Seeph__ @SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 22:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Although I guess the "source" wasn't entirely unknown
        
        Was from a series of emails from someone at ATP I believe. But yea, Mr B Hogan is no doubt currently on his way to Cuba with our cash.
        
        Seeph__ @Seeph__ | 12 Jul '12, 22:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        :D
        
        Jordan_229_2 @SCROTUM | 12 Jul '12, 23:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        While SCROTUMs gif is pretty accurate
        
        I do feel for you guys who were pressured into making bank transfers... Jamie Summers was on DiS assuring people to go through with it too.
        
        Lets just hope both events go ahead, and more music fans aren't left out of pocket.
        
        littlebirds @Seeph__ | 12 Jul '12, 23:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        are wilwall set up as a limited company yet?
        
        if they are then they definitely shouldn't have money going through a private account
        
        ThingsThatFly @Seeph__ | 13 Jul '12, 07:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        JimmyHuntspill this'd this
        
        his website lists gigs all over the place from october onwards but there is no mention of this
        
        and yes, i would be gutted as well
        
        cat_race @Pigfoot | 13 Jul '12, 07:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        might be worth saying that it is a page you buy tickets on though
        
        so it might not link to something where it's not just a headlining show for him idk
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 09:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        well
        
        accoridng to that link, he hasn't listed all his dates anyway
        
        zahidf @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 09:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ah, i hadn't actually looked at that link, had just been on the LCK site.
        
        i did email support@lck to ask if they had any more shows around the east coast in september because i was hoping to see him perform while i was on holiday
        
        "Any confirmed shows on Mr C.K.'s tour are listed at our site. We add tour dates if and when Mr C.K. makes that information available to us.
        
        Regards,
        LCK Support"
        
        (also, that was emailed to me in size 7.5 Lucida Gran. Mental)
        
        cat_race @zahidf | 13 Jul '12, 09:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        in summary
        
        idk
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 09:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        kinda love the idea that LCK has his own support team
        
        guntrip @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 14:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        and that they call him Mr C.K.
        
        cat_race @guntrip | 13 Jul '12, 14:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i'm going to go out on a limb and predict that atp will make some sort of announcement today
        
        dunno what about exactly though
        
        cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 14:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think they're at the point now where it doesn't matter what they say - it'll be slated and not deemed good enough.
        
        White_Privilege @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 14:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        yeah i know, just a bit bored and trying to turn this whole thing into a game
        
        cat_race @White_Privilege | 13 Jul '12, 14:07 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I dunno
        
        If they came out and said, so and so has become involved (Vince Power or something)to help us move forward and fund future events, and as a result they will all now go ahead, then I reckon everyone would just move on.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 14:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        *Vince Vaughn
        
        Average Joe's Indie Concerts.
        
        TheoGB @JimmyHuntspill | 13 Jul '12, 14:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        When I first wrote that
        
        I said Vince Cable. Pretty sure that is wrong.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @TheoGB | 13 Jul '12, 14:34 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        yeah!!! i won the game statement is out!!!
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 15:00 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Friday July 13, 2012
        
        Statement Regarding Changes Within ATP:
        
        We have now completed a restructuring of the business of ATP Concerts Limited. This involved the Voluntary Liquidation of ATP Concerts Limited and transfer of its assets (including the rights to the All Tomorrow's Parties festival, label, and shows) to a new company called Willwal Limited. We will also be dividing the business into three different companies; ATP Festivals, ATP Recordings and ATP Shows.
        
        The team however, remain the same, having been transferred over to Willwal Limited - and the festival is still called All Tomorrow's Parties. All future events will continue as scheduled on the dates advertised and all tickets for those events are still valid.
        
        ATP remains unwaveringly committed to hosting world class events. Since our inception it has been our mission to provide quality concerts for discerning music lovers around the world - our number one priority has always been the bands and the fans and we work hard, sometimes under difficult circumstances, to achieve the highest standards possible. It is a tough climate out there, but this restructuring will ensure that ATP is around for many more years to come. We thank the fans who have stood by us over the years and especially during this recent time of reorganisation.
        
        Other news we are announcing today is that the U.S. event on September 21 - 23 is to be moved from Asbury Park, New Jersey to Manhattan, New York. This is due to logistical reasons and a full press release regarding the move will be posted here. Anyone unable to attend due to this change will be able to request a full refund.
        
        We have many exciting developments and opportunities available to us that will be announced over the coming months. We will be continuing the work we have done over the past 13 years and would like to thank everyone for their kind support over the past week - we apologise that this statement has taken longer than anticipated to be released (due to needing certain legal clearances) - we thank you again for your patience and apologise for any unnecessary worry caused.
        
        On Monday we will announce the first bands for this December's Nightmare Before Christmas festival curated by Shellac.
        
        Yours sincerely,
        
        Barry Hogan
        ATP
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 15:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        FIRST
        
        joeymahone @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 15:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        so yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic about this
        
        joeymahone @joeymahone | 13 Jul '12, 15:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        me too.
        
        i mean, there's no information in there that wasn't already known i suppose but at least they have actually done it and it isn't cancelling things
        
        cat_race @joeymahone | 13 Jul '12, 15:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Shit statement. I don't deem it good enough.
        
        White_Privilege @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 15:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        no-class this'd this
        
        Yours sincerely,
        
        Barry Hogan,
        ATP
        Turks and Caicos Islands
        
        Verbal @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 15:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I guess the restructuring is so that, if they get into financial trouble (again?)
        
        Then they don't lose the lot, just a branch of the business? Makes sense. Don't know why it took them this long (600 posts and several days) to say as much mind.
        
        Moving entire festivals must cost a bit and thankfully I've never been affected by this before, but I can imagine if you've got flights, hotels or trains booked in advance then that's a pretty annoying pisser.
        
        Look forward to the announcements on Monday, and I hope ATP have got in touch with a PR agency in the last few days.
        
        vamos @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 15:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Trial of debts...
        
        Looks like ATP owed money to the Asbury Park venue, like they did to Butlins. They are offering a full refund, but what if you still want to attend, but can't afford another hotel? Will they refund people the money lost for hotels and pre-booked travel?
        
        Mrdiabolik | 13 Jul '12, 15:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ... what kind of a hotel asks you to pay up front?
        
        joeymahone @Mrdiabolik | 13 Jul '12, 15:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i've got a feeling we have one booked in NJ and i thought it was paid for
        
        but when you put it like that idk
        
        cat_race @joeymahone | 13 Jul '12, 15:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Depends who you book through
        
        If you use lastminute.com (and I think other similar sites) you have to pay when you book.
        
        DaisyFlower @joeymahone | 13 Jul '12, 15:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        vamos this'd this
        
        Not always.
        
        We booked through lastminute for a room in Paris earlier this year and paid when we left, as I recall.
        
        TheoGB @DaisyFlower | 13 Jul '12, 15:51 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        At the very least...
        
        You would lose a deposit, and travel will be upfront.
        
        Mrdiabolik @joeymahone | 13 Jul '12, 15:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I'm sorry for your loss.
        
        joeymahone @Mrdiabolik | 13 Jul '12, 15:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think it's fair enough to be a bit pissed off at this.
        
        Yeah, a festival could be cancelled but it's a bit much when cause is bad financing, i.e. something very much in ATP's hands when all's said and done.
        
        TheoGB @joeymahone | 13 Jul '12, 15:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        We don't actually know why it moved from NJ
        
        but hell, this thread has gone too far down the path of wild speculation and hysterical miffling to turn back now
        
        joeymahone @TheoGB | 13 Jul '12, 15:59 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        new jersey moves to NY and line up is overhauled
        
        Friday 21st Curated by ATP
        
        PHILIP GLASS + TYONDAI BRAXTON
        JANEANE GAROFALO
        LIGHTNING BOLT
        LEE RANALDO
        KURT THE INEVITABLE
        + MORE TBC..
        Saturday 22nd Curated by Greg Dulli
        
        THE AFGHAN WHIGS
        THE ROOTS
        JOSÉ GONZÁLEZ
        MARK LANEGAN BAND
        CHAVEZ
        DIRTY THREE
        THE ANTLERS
        THE DIRTBOMBS
        SCRAWL
        EMERALDS
        VETIVER
        AFTERHOURS
        CHARLES BRADLEY AND THE EXTRAORDINAIRES
        JOSEPH ARTHUR
        DJ QUESTLOVE
        + MORE TBC
        Sunday 23rd Curated by ATP
        
        GODSPEED YOU! BLACK EMPEROR
        THE MAKE-UP
        HOT SNAKES
        THE MAGIC BAND
        AUTOLUX
        THEE OH SEES
        FACTORY FLOOR
        THE ALBUM LEAF
        BRAIDS
        I BREAK HORSES
        QUINTRON AND MISS PUSSYCAT
        TALL FIRS
        BLANCK MASS
        THE PSYCHIC PARAMOUNT
        ENDLESS BOOGIE
        DEMDIKE STARE
        DJ JONATHAN TOUBIN
        + MORE TBC
        
        cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 15:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        STATEMENT
        
        http://www.atpfestival.com/newsview/1207131500.php
        
        dan_thw | 13 Jul '12, 15:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4357467#r6875075
        
        CillaCrack @dan_thw | 13 Jul '12, 15:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i got ten points for my correct prediction, just an hour before it was launched.
        
        well good
        
        cat_race @CillaCrack | 13 Jul '12, 15:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        OLD
        
        N E W S
        
        Mrdiabolik @dan_thw | 13 Jul '12, 15:37 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        OOPS
        
        http://www.ruslania.com/pictures/big/300021-oops.jpg
        
        dan_thw @Mrdiabolik | 13 Jul '12, 15:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        No more Louis CK
        
        Sorry c_r
        
        If I'd booked tickets to it this would have made me FURIOUS
        
        Antpocalypsenow | 13 Jul '12, 15:38 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        well it is a shame yes but i will probably just use that time to have sex or something
        
        :D
        
        cat_race @Antpocalypsenow | 13 Jul '12, 15:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        As full a statement as one could have hoped for
        
        Explanation of whats going on [check]
        Announcement for ATP NY [Check]
        Shellac Line Up Date [Check]
        
        Pretty much covered all bases
        
        Yesiamaduck | 13 Jul '12, 15:46 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        chasingabee this'd this
        
        One thought for you guys at ATP
        
        If you're struggling to shift tickets in the future, might I suggest nicking the Bloc line up and putting that on at Camber. Reckon about, ooohh... I dunno...? 18,000 people might be up for that...
        
        vamos | 13 Jul '12, 15:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Everything is fine
        
        (we are moving another festival)
        
        JimmyHuntspill @vamos | 13 Jul '12, 16:02 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        GayGuevara this'd this
        
        ATP Festival ?@atpfestival
        
        Between 10-15 artists for Nightmare Before Christmas curated by Shellac to be announced this coming Monday.
        
        That's more like it. See you guys on Monday morning when we can stop whinging about ATP being skint and restart the whinging about the bands they're booking....
        
        vamos | 13 Jul '12, 16:01 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        fiddygent this'd this
        
        Factory Floor are still on the bill?
        
        vamos @Pigfoot | 13 Jul '12, 16:12 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Sunday, about 7 people down according to that post about 7 up ^
        
        vamos @Pigfoot | 13 Jul '12, 16:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        joeymahone this'd this
        
        i copy pasted that from the atp site
        
        cat_race @Pigfoot | 13 Jul '12, 16:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i copy paste too fast apparently
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 16:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        That line up cat_race posted must be an old one then
        
        Sorry!
        
        vamos @Pigfoot | 13 Jul '12, 16:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        does your friend have a spare room and live in a good place? we'll pay
        
        not joking
        
        cat_race @Pigfoot | 13 Jul '12, 16:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        it's fine really. airbnb will see us good
        
        just thought i would ask anyway. totes should grab a beer while we are there though if you fancy
        
        cat_race @Pigfoot | 13 Jul '12, 16:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Hot Snakes are playing.
        
        I don't know why you're complaining.
        
        TheoGB @Pigfoot | 13 Jul '12, 16:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        this'd this
        
        i love you theo
        
        cat_race @TheoGB | 13 Jul '12, 16:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        XOXOXOX
        
        TheoGB @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 16:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        OH EX!
        
        TheoGB @TheoGB | 13 Jul '12, 16:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        OH EX!
        
        TheoGB @TheoGB | 13 Jul '12, 16:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        awwwww
        
        that's hugs as well OXxXO
        
        cat_race @TheoGB | 13 Jul '12, 16:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        fix
        
        cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 16:32 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ,
        
        chasingabee @cat_race | 13 Jul '12, 17:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        this restructuring will ensure that ATP is around for many years to come
        
        Excellent news. I guess the haters who were creaming themselves in the hope that ATP would go under are mighty pissed off right now
        
        chasingabee @chasingabee | 13 Jul '12, 17:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        definitely
        
        they can suck my bahrrs
        
        unicronn @chasingabee | 13 Jul '12, 17:25 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Most people who criticise ATP do so because they think they have treated customers badly (which it has transpired, was well grounded) and gave an unnacceprable amount of information given fans money was at stake,don't think anyone would have been pleased if they went under and fans lost out. No matter what they think of the ATP manager
        
        ThingsThatFly @chasingabee | 13 Jul '12, 18:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        bowiecokemirror and sadpunk this'd this
        
        The statement is asinine
        
        and makes no difference. Went bust, load of people lost out (to the tune of £1.8m - something they seem to think is more ethical than having any sponsorship/advertising), they still think it is fine to change festival dates and venues and blame other people when it was clearly their own position that caused those, and I am a little sad that bands like Shellac are fine with all that.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @ThingsThatFly | 14 Jul '12, 10:49 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        tamperevident and mug_mug_mug this'd this
        
        I am a big fan of ATP and will defend them for a long time
        
        But when the guys at WFMU (who are big, big fans of the organisation as well) start calling them out about blaming Asbury Park for the problems, I really start to wonder.
        
        https://twitter.com/scharpling/status/224053282404966400
        
        lemonbrickcombo | 14 Jul '12, 10:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        _thegirlwith_ this'd this
        
        I do not want ATP to go bust
        
        But I equally don't want them to fuck over other laudable organisations in order to do so.
        
        lemonbrickcombo @lemonbrickcombo | 14 Jul '12, 10:56 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        They have gone bust
        
        See top of thread.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @lemonbrickcombo | 14 Jul '12, 11:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        This is the thing that leaves the worst taste in the mouth
        
        They way that ATP have lied and prevaricated about what was happening, implying Butlins was at fault and so on, when all along they were the ones doing the dirty. Pretty hypocritical (while at the same continuing to put on good events, but with just the worst PR skills in the entire world).
        
        WhiteLightWhiteCity @lemonbrickcombo | 14 Jul '12, 14:23 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        as well as the worst organisational and decision making skills in the world
        
        cat_race @WhiteLightWhiteCity | 14 Jul '12, 15:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Worst?
        
        Have you read the Bloc 2012 thread?
        
        Steved @cat_race | 14 Jul '12, 17:43 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        hur
        
        why didn't they just leave it at 'logistical concerns'. People will know what that means by now. And it's not as if all the Asbury Park hotels will have disappeared since the last time they did it there. Weeeird.
        
        mug_mug_mug @lemonbrickcombo | 15 Jul '12, 14:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i just hopet
        
        they paid all the people they owed money to
        such as the venues like butlins and any suppliers
        usually in these cases when a company goes into admin these people are left out of pocket but its being mmade look like its a clean slate with no mention of how they got into this shit in the first place
        if u cant afford to pay your suppliers dont book the fookin events si?
        
        unicronn | 15 Jul '12, 19:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        looking at this from upthread http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06370771
        the assets and liabilities were for about the same amount £2m, they would have had to buy the assets for the independently valued price, I guess this money would be used to pay creditors, not really sure how it works though, if that is how it works and they paid that price then there should have been enough to pay everyone
        
        ThingsThatFly @unicronn | 15 Jul '12, 20:22 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        it's a long time since i really knew about all this
        
        but iirc it is possible for a company to be forced into administration/liquidation even if they have plenty of assests. it could be a cash flow issue that has been ongoing for so long that action has been taken. so it's not really that they don't have assets, maybe that they don't really have many liquid assets
        
        that being said though, for a promotions company i'm struggling to think why that would be applicable. i wouldn't think a company like that would hold too much in the way of non-liquid stuff, buildings? equipment? dunno. but there you go.
        
        cat_race @ThingsThatFly | 16 Jul '12, 09:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        so, i was totally under the impression that tickets remained valid
        
        Attention ticket holder!
        
        We just learned that your upcoming event has been canceled:
        
        3 Day Pass: All Tomorrow's Parties
        Convention Hall
        Friday, September 21st through Sunday, September 23rd, 2012
        
        As fans, we feel your pain! At least you don’t have to do anything to receive a refund.
        
        We’ll automatically refund your order, including fees (except UPS and InStore Pick Up, if applicable) to your credit card within 7 – 10 business days
        
        cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 07:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        in reply to me on facebook
        
        "All Tomorrow's Parties Hi, Ticketmaster have sent out the incorrect info - we are contacting them to get them to send out the proper statement. All original tickets are indeed valid."
        
        i just want this to be sorted. why is it one thing after another?
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 09:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        This is getting silly now
        
        ATP are just hemorrhaging customer respect
        
        Verbal | 17 Jul '12, 09:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        it's one of those where i don't even know whether to believe them when they
        
        say ticketmaster have issued incorrect info. it's just people blaming each other. fucking hell.
        
        cat_race @Verbal | 17 Jul '12, 09:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        great
        
        confirmation email from ticketmaster saying it is definitely showing as cancelled and that they issued my refund yesterday
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 14:57 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ????
        
        so ticketmaster are completely sure it's cancelled.
        
        This is so effing dodge.
        
        Verbal @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 15:11 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        CillaCrack this'd this
        
        yeah, i woke up today to an automated message from them saying it was cancelled
        
        messages both them AND atp to get confirmation, atp said old tickets are still valid, TM just came back and it's definitely cancelled we issued your refund on 16/07/2012 (yesterday). fuck knows whether or not i'll be able to get in when i go. it's a fucking joke
        
        cat_race @Verbal | 17 Jul '12, 15:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        sucks man
        
        hope some kind of reconciliation is reached. It just sounds like a complete and utter mess.
        
        Verbal @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 15:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        badmanreturns this'd this
        
        if atp could, at minimum, come out and say,
        
        "your old ticket isn't valid, you're getting a refund and need to buy a new ticket" then at least i could get on with doing that. this though~? blah
        
        cat_race @Verbal | 17 Jul '12, 15:21 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        So why
        
        don't you just do that? Ticketmaster have told you that your order has been refunded (including fees) so why not just buy a new ticket? I know it's a bit irritating to have to do that, but it's not the end of the world. It's not like the event is sold out and you can't go now.
        
        pmj1980 @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 16:41 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        well because rather not buy another ticket IF i have one
        
        i don't know what to believe and i'd rather have everything clarified before rashly buying $200 tickets for stuff.
        
        cat_race @pmj1980 | 17 Jul '12, 16:44 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        But it has been clarified
        
        hasn't it? Ticketmaster have told you that the refund has been processed. You could wait for it to show on your statement if you don't trust them I suppose, but they have told you that your order has definitely been cancelled.
        
        I get that the problem is ATP saying that incorrect info has been emailed out, but TM are the ones processing your order and they're saying that the refund has been done. They're not saying that it will be done, or that it might be done, but that it has been done. They're obviously under the impression that the event has been cancelled, and that's incorrect, but that doesn't matter. Can you log into your TM account and check the status of the order? If they've refunded your money then I think you can safely buy another one from elsewhere, I don't see what bad things could happen if you just do that.
        
        ATP do seem to have been a bit of a mess lately, but I'm not really getting why this is a problem.
        
        pmj1980 @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 16:55 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        when the promoter of an event and the ticket sellers
        
        are not on the same page then no, i don't consider things clarified.
        
        cat_race @pmj1980 | 17 Jul '12, 16:58 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I hope ATP will refund the extra booking fees that don't get refunded
        
        ThingsThatFly @pmj1980 | 17 Jul '12, 18:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        as if i've heard it so far
        
        refunds include booking fees
        
        cat_race @ThingsThatFly | 17 Jul '12, 18:36 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        this is the exchange between TM and me
        
        Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you.
        
        Subject
        Your Event Has Been Canceled 3 Day Pass: All Tomorrow's Parties
        
        Discussion Thread
        Via Email (Amy_ZFS773) 07/17/2012 09:50 AM
        Hello Stephen,
        
        Thank you for contacting us! Unfortunately, at this time we are just showing that this even has been cancelled by the promoters and I am not showing any rescheduled dates. I am also showing that we have refunded this order on July 16, 2012, that money will show back on your card within 3-10 business days.
        
        If you need anything else, we’re always here for you - just reply to this email or visit Ticketmaster.com.
        
        Sincerely,
        Amy_ZFS773
        Ticketmaster Fan Support
        World Class Service - Every Customer, Every Day!
        Customer By Email (ste barrow) 07/17/2012 03:03 AM
        Hi,
        This event has been rescheduled to take place on the same dates but in New York. I was under the impression that my ticket would still be valid. Do you have any extra information on this?
        Also, is it possible to just provide a ticket for the new event instead of a refund? This is potentially a question that you're going to get a lot of over the next couple of days.
        Many Thanks,
        Ste.
        
        Subject: Your Event Has Been Canceled 3 Day Pass: All Tomorrow's Parties
        Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:22:30 -0700
        From: Notification@Ticketmaster.com
        
        Your Event Has Been Canceled 3 Day Pass: All Tomorrow's Parties
        
        Attention ticket holder!
        
        We just learned that your upcoming event has been canceled:
        
        3 Day Pass: All Tomorrow's Parties
        
        Convention Hall
        
        Friday, September 21st through Sunday, September 23rd, 2012
        
        As fans, we feel your pain! At least you don’t have to do anything to receive a refund.
        
        We’ll automatically refund your order, including fees (except UPS and InStore Pick Up, if applicable) to your credit card within 7 – 10 business days.
        
        Questions? Just hit reply and ask us or visit Ticketmaster.com!
        
        Thanks for being a fan!
        
        Ticketmaster Fan Support
        
        CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
        
        This message contains information which may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediately by telephone.
        
        cat_race @Verbal | 17 Jul '12, 15:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Hello Stephen,
        
        The tickets you have are no longer valid because we have already cancelled them and issued a refund back to your card.
        
        If you need anything else, we’re always here for you - just reply to this email or visit Ticketmaster.com.
        
        Sincerely,
        Amy_ZFS773
        Ticketmaster Fan Support
        World Class Service - Every Customer, Every Day!
        Customer By Email (ste barrow) 07/17/2012 10:03 AM
        Sorry to keep replying but i receoved word from the promoter than this was a message issued in error by ticketmaster and that the event is going ahead. Obviously I am slightly concerned but I am looking for further clarification. They have said the ticket will be valid for the rescheduled event which will be on the same dates but in a new location.
        
        cat_race @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 15:22 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        it's a shame Jamie Summers hides away when there's a bit of bad blood towards ATP on here
        
        sorry to hear that C_R. will you go to the New York date?
        
        Jordan_229_2 @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 15:13 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        That's the trouble
        
        it just comes across as ATP treating their partners and their customers with complete and utter contempt. If you've fucked at least have the dignity to own up about it, ffs.
        
        Likewise, sorry to hear c_r
        
        Verbal @Jordan_229_2 | 17 Jul '12, 15:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        cheers man.
        
        i just want to know is all. worst is i have to put up with people on the atp facebook constantly going "everything's fine! look they've just announced bands for this thing in december! it's fine" when clearly it's just not
        
        cat_race @Verbal | 17 Jul '12, 15:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        that's the plan yeah.
        
        my girlfriend has a ticket through a different ticket company and we've not had chance to speak properly yet about whether or not she has had a similar communication. my trip over was split between NJ and NY and we've already started the ball rolling to change accomodation for ATP to NY for the three days of the fest rather than being in NJ as the plan was originally. now though? no fucking clue. no idea if i have a ticket or not.
        
        cat_race @Jordan_229_2 | 17 Jul '12, 15:17 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Fuck em
        
        Take the refund and go on an awesome holiday instead.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 15:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        if that happens i'm perfectly happy to go with it
        
        currently though my gf really wants to watch the hot snakes and that's more important than my dignity
        
        cat_race @JimmyHuntspill | 17 Jul '12, 15:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Remind her
        
        That bands all exist now, forever, and there will be plenty of opportunities to see them again.
        
        JimmyHuntspill @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 15:40 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        appreciated
        
        but i'm not getting into this. if possible, we're going
        
        cat_race @JimmyHuntspill | 17 Jul '12, 15:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        who did you buy your ticket through?
        
        cat_race @Pigfoot | 17 Jul '12, 16:10 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        same as the gf.
        
        looking at the atp site ticketmaster aren't even supplying tickets for the NY event. fuck knows how atp thought the tickets would remain valid. bit boring now this.
        
        cat_race @Pigfoot | 17 Jul '12, 16:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Relax, stop speculating about it.
        
        ATP will make an announcement when there's something to say.
        
        Expect it mid-November.
        
        In the meantime, events are still happening so it's fine. Everyone is this thread is being so unreasonable. JESUS. What do you want? Facts? Reassurances? Confirmation? I think YOU'RE the one being unreasonable here.
        
        sadpunk @cat_race | 17 Jul '12, 16:19 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Verbal this'd this
        
        ^this
        
        really amazed i'm still seeing people having this unfaltering loyalty and faith in atp. weird
        
        cat_race @sadpunk | 17 Jul '12, 16:20 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        think that
        
        tounge in cheek.
        
        sorry to hear about it. but go to ny and have a great time with your refund money!
        
        unicronn @cat_race | 25 Jul '12, 17:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        hi joeymahone
        
        Jordan_229_2 @sadpunk | 17 Jul '12, 16:26 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        i will never ever buy a ticket to an ATP event again
        
        if i really wanna see a band or show, i'll chance it on the door... though even then i think it'd be risky to expect a show to be on until i've actually seen the band and they've finished playing til the 11pm curfew.
        
        also rather than the music and shows, i'd also like to know ATP are paying their suppliers...
        
        unicronn | 25 Jul '12, 17:55 | X | ^ This | Reply