Huh. Not sure I was expecting that.
Yeah yeah, stupid to have a thread on just one review of a record I know etc.
To be it seems little more than the kind of scrutiny that any major label attempt to force a styled b(r)and onto "indie" gets over here - eg Kid Harpoon fronting the Vaccines, Brother's (I think?) past an emo or ska punk band or something. We're quite used to that over here, they're not so much in the US...
\\Given the lengthy build-up and all the YouTube leaks, think-pieces, and controversy that followed, you can only spend so much time in Born To Die’s nihilistic Never Land before Peggy Lee’s famous question starts to nag: Is that all there is?//
Meh. Not really sure why.
didn't the Killers slag them off for it until someone pointed out the Killers used to be a... ska band.
apparently this lass has a phenomenal voice
And I thought Cokemachineglow could be insufferable.
"intuit" is not a word. Stop turning nouns into verbs you ****ERS.
It's no big deal. Just an observation.
Brother were Wolf Am I, a Brand New-style emo band on Alcopop!, and before that the more straightforwardly 182ish Kill The Arcade.
Tom Ewing has made the point that here Video Games was aimed directly at the mainstream so it's only online the authenticity thing has played a significant part (the Indy review, for instance, doesn't mention any of that, merely that she's being set up as a big pop star), and she didn't mess up her live vocal on her UK TV appearance.
Like, get over it.
The idea of anyone genuinely liking it is impossible, then?
It was bad enough when people in my office were always going on about architecting solutions to problems; then I heard someone go a step further and actually use solution as a verb, eg, we solution problems.
I would give it 7.5 / 10. In regard to these reviews, it seems that they are focused on what the lyrics are saying about her persona etc..instead of stating the obvious: that the songs have decent melodies.
it was controversial or overtly snarky, which is what I thought you might be asking/suggesting.
They mention hype/build up earlier in the review so maybe they thought they were repeating themselves.
I like all the strings, they sound nice. Her voice sounds nice sometimes and silly other times. I'll probably listen to it six more times in total and then get on with the rest of my life. 7/10
I don't think I've ever seen so much effort put into such a bad review.
the albums [quality] is the only thing that will please people who [don't like the album]
is the production. i honestly think that's the worst part, it's so sickly sweet and shallow.
not that i've listened to her album or anything, or ever will.
Forbidden from liking Adele we sought a substitute, and set out on a quest. In Lana del Rey we found our answer!
I don't even believe that myself
but I find Lindsey's conclusions completely backward: Lana adds a little depth to this vacuous pursuit of fame and money, like Madonna did. Jay Z and Kayne, meanwhile, don't sound "fun" to me at all.
To each his own, I guess. *shrugs*
It's not that the record is "bad," certainly not by Top 40 standards, but it's just fake. Empty. With an annoying, contradictory personality at the front.
If you took Video Games and Blue Jeans off of it (more the former) it would be another glitzy shitshow. That's the most telling thing.
A few listens in and it's better than I'd given it credit for. Off to the Races is fantastic. I think this is actually a pretty good album, still cringing hard at National Anthem though.
Other than their track-by-track?
It's not really a game changer or anything but it is definately better than most critics are giving it credit for. DiS review sums it up well and 7 is a fair score.
In regards to pitchfork...I'm with this guy http://www.popjustice.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5983&Itemid=9
I'd probably give it 6.5. Certainly better than her awful performances would indicate.
erm...why are people struggling with this? she's just like katy perry or something, no? i haven't heard the music, i'm just struggling to understand why the indie contingent are going both positively and negatively mental over her.
even more contrived and irritating than Lana Del Rey herself. Good work TMT!
Couldn't give one single fuck either way. The album is a lot better that I'd expected based purely on the fact that I'd only liked one of the songs I'd heard of hers before listening to the whole thing.
in "not very good" shocker.
what mr flickmyturtletoo said...
and it's a pretty good pop album
given it was questioning how someone can make a sweeping generalisation of what she's like while admitting not to have heard any of her music.
also, reviewing this there were things that, weirdly, ended up 'outside of the remit':
1. National Anthem is a pretty tootin' good song no matter what, but the leaked demo (which is a lot poppier, less ballady although weirdly the same tempo?!) absolutely owns the finished album version. But because it's an unofficial demo, it's not really fair to mention it in a review. I believe this is something Mr. Popjustice has beef with, and although I can see why they changed the mix in the context of the album, I do agree with him;
2. the deluxe edition has another song on there, Lolita, which is an absolute monster of a brilliant pop song (co-written by Hannah Robinson of Xenomania, I think?) - but again, because it wasn't included on the promos sent out I wasn't in a position to write about it.
Had either of those songs been on the main release, it's entirely possible I'd have bumped it up a point...
and i'm more than willing to hear her out, musically speaking*. i asked a genuine question. which was, based on everything i've read about her so far, she seems like a slightly darker version of that other quasi rock chick katy perry, and so why is everyone going mental? because it seems like it's less to do with her music than with her image and the fact that she's a girl.
*although i have now, and it's none too impressive.
but soon you'll be so concerned about being indifferent that she'll consume your soul
best to accept that Video Games was decent-to-good chart-pop and not think about her commercial successes too much, I find
2 minutes into the first track and all i'm wondering is how it would sound remixed.
which is the 15 track version. Lolita is ace agreed (though probably tune the drums up a ton) and shuffle the whole thing around a bit so This Is What... is the last track on the deluxe and, yeah. S'good.
Just need to forget that middle quartet ever existed.
they're not especially 'remarkable', but they contribute to the general atmosphere. As I mentioned, Carmen and Million Dollar Man are the two which I think are just a bit too maudlin for my liking.
'This Is What...' is great - probably the key to the whole album lyrically I reckon, it's the context for all the idiot boys the previous 11 songs are about.
are two of the best songs on it.
Lana doesn't sound like pop to me
You sound like me, 7 years ago*. You will not think this (or at least, in these terms) in 7 years' time. Guaranteed.
*you're WELL ahead of me in terms of what I was listening to aged 17. By the time you hit 24 I expect your taste to be comprised entirely of unknown avant-classical mindfucks
it'd probably do more harm than good at this stage tbh
Give yourself a self-congratulatory pat on the back you pretentious fucks.
*removes TMT from bookmarks*
I kind of want to keep listening to music that has tunes and stuff.
but by Christ those banner ads on this site are annoying
In fact I just didn't bother. Review has failed.
I question why people put them on some hip music pedestal - every time I go to their website, I'm unimpressed. Yeah, I know, then why do I go there? Because I'm stupid. But so are they.
this albums is really good IMO
equals automatically ignore rest of post.
Born To Die is currently outselling the rest of the Top 10 after just two days on sale.
Didn't see that coming...
(I am never going to listen to this album)
pretty much what it deserves too IMO. not a classic pop album but a very good, frequently amazing one.
are all backlashes this bad?
i hope she's ok
the best music site, seriously
and I just thought, there's something for everyone there! She even sings about darts at one point!
That first person pronoun thing reminds me of this, one of my favourites
Why is it sexist to review her looks (it's not)? Would anyone give a shit if she wasn't pseudo-indie (no, they wouldn't)? Are there a bunch of bloggers rushing to defend Rihanna (no, there are not), who trades heavily on her looks and has reinvented her image several times?
So throw her to the dogs, sez the keyboard warriors. Only our precious " " " indie " " " ladies need to be defended from HORRIBLE SEXISM.
The blogosphere is a silly place.
Doesn't that question answer itself?
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