Early Electronica
Since there's a new series of Doctor Who and that, I thought it'd be nice to have a thread on early electronica stuff.
New stuff:
Tristam Cary - It's Time for Tristam Cary [Trunk]
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=281201
Underappreciated Radiophonic Orchestra guy.
Sam Spence - Sam Spence Sounds [Finders Keepers]
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=290673
Bit later kraut-associated stuff.
Michael Yonkers - Lovely Gold [Drag City]
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=291331
Really ace lost album from someone who I don't know a lot about.
I think there's also a new Massiera comp on Finders Keepers and a Japanese soundtrack thing on Ethbo.
Anyone bought any of these yet? Thoughts? I really like the Michael Yonkers and Tristam Cary albums. Haven't got round to the rest yet though.
Some of my favourite older stuff:
Ruth White - The Flowers of Evil (1969)
Incredible dark, synth-led readings of the Baudelaire poems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ba4-nurH9Y
Beaver & Krause - The Nonesuch Guide to Electronic Music (1968)
So far ahead of it's time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ba4-nurH9Y
(also check out Keaver & Brause for some great beats stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdN_EbJo03g)
Lucifer (Mort Garson) - Black Mass (1971)
Could choose any of his album because they're all amazing, but this one is particuarly spooky and great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7DVtCl9HfQ
If you don't mind downloading, this is really incredible; Delia Derbyshire providing the soundtrack to a very haunting documentary on dreams: http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2007/07/delia-derbyshire-barry-bermange-within.html
And obv. Raymond Scott is the don:
Soothing Sounds for Baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7DVtCl9HfQ
Actually my favourite Raymond Scott stuff; music to put a baby to sleep to!
Manhattan Research Inc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWbzAa_c1VY
(the one Dilla sampled - the interesting thing being how most the percussive elements are there in the original)
Anyone else? Favourite albums from the past, or favourite albums, which homage these kind of sounds (Broadcast/Ghost Box etc.)?
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Didn't realise this thread was so long.
Apologies, I got a bit carried away.
(If you'd rather, pretend it's just the last paragraph and chat about Dilla)
on and a didn't mention the Ursula Bogner/Jan Jelinek thing
or thePomegranates comp and The Life on Earth soundtrack.
Anyone got anything to say about those?
I don't know much at all about the 70s electronica
Apart from hearing Radiophonic Workshop stuff and Kraftwork.
I've got a bit of the 80s b-boy stuff though.
Street Sounds Electro 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ4rGgM8FgE
A1 The Packman—Im The Packman (Eat Everything I Can)
A2 Newcleus—Jam On Revenge (The Wikki-Wikki Song)
A3 West Street Mob—Break Dancin—Electric Boogie
A4 C-Bank—Get Wet
B1 K-9 Corp—Dog Talk
B2 G. Force—Feel The Force
B3 Project Future—Ray-Gun-Omics
B4 Captain Rock—Return Of Captain Roc
Hasim - Al Naafiysh (The Soul)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1waaDyVt5lY
You need to get onto library music, Jimi
Start with some of the reissues and compilations on Trunk and Lo.
I'm not that familiar with Lo.
What sort of stuff have they put out?
Also (not that anyone's read this far down the thread), Golau Glau jag: http://www.last.fm/music/Golau+Glau/Arianna (since there's a bit of this kind of influence in your stuff, no?)
The Barry 7's Connectors comps are a good place to start
Roger Roger is a bit of a GG Towers favourite, as is Nino Nardini and Barry from Add N To (X) put these together, lots of rare tunes. The Milky Disco compilations contain stuff influenced by library music and THIS - http://lorecordings.greedbag.com/buy/moog-acid-5/ - is tremendous. Jean Jacques Perrey = legend.
To go all modern, Charlie Alex March's underrated album is out on Lo's "pop" imprint LOAF, and is well worth buying. Yes, we love all this stuff. Never admit influences, though, it leads to people hearing things that aren't there or setting themselves up for disappointment.
aw, yes. I think I read that before, I shouldn't have bought it up really.
Now oddly, I've heard of LOAF. I think they put out that Extra Life record Saint_Cronin has been banging on about. I'm listening to that album on spotify now, and it does sound rather good.
I've heard some of that Jean Jacques Perrey stuff before, on a Susumu Yokota comp, that come to think of it might have been on Lo. I best get that though. A new cd for £5 - can't complain, and I'll check out the other stuff, cheers.
Jean Jacques Perrey
I did know that name! I put the vid I posted at the bottom of the thread on my blog years ago of him playing EVA live. Its so damn good, I should check out more for sure.
I'll have a look into it all
it all sounds very interesting indeed, its just one of those many things I've not got around to investigating very much. Looking on the Lo site, I know quite a lot of the new artists.
nice.
love the synth melody on that second one. I know very little about electro really.
did you ever hear this acid-house from 1982 India: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUqnPYwoiF4 ?
pretty insane.
how far do you want to go into it?
have you heard of luigi russolo? pretty far out italian stuff from the 20's. i dont think any of it was even recorded.
look up this guy as well: Raymond Soctt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SHJ6CcML80 thats from 1959.
oh, i see you already have.
Luigi Russolo is great
You can find recordings of the Art of Noises here: http://www.ubu.com/sound/russolo_l.html
Also off ubuweb, this Iranian guy made some fascinating ambient electronica from 1985/6:
http://www.ubu.com/sound/dolat-shahi.html
also, social board fans:
http://www.ubu.com/sound/gerogerigegege.html
hmm, interesting.
:-)
i was truely led to beleive nothing was ever recorded.
is that a modern recording with new instruments?
i take it you've heard of pierres scheafer and henry?
pierre henry for you futurama fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKz4qVmUz84
I'm not so familiar with the more classical side to it
but yep, those two, Edgard Varèse, Pauline Oliveros, David Tudor, Luc Ferrari and Iannis Xenakis and some more probably all did some great electronic classical stuff.
look up pierre shaefers early "train" stuff.
not classical at all.
I guess you mean 'Etude aux chemins de fer', it's musique concrete isn't it?
which, I guess isn't 'classical' as such, but certainly is more serious-minded and aimed at being progressive (or at least percieved like that) than stuff like Mort Garson and Raymond Scott, who in the latter's case, obviously wrote functional music to put babies to sleep to!
it was a bit of a throw-away comparison though, and as I say, I'm not really an expert, so I could be wrong about a few of those.
I suppose Pierre Henry is actually more under the fun
Subtonick/Garson/Radiophonic wing of it, rather than the classical side actually.
i'm no epxert either,
but i'd probably agree with you.
the beach boys have also go a pretty electronic track on smile (i think).
and i think that woman out of the radiophonic workshop has a few "dance" cds.
cant really remember tho.
I don't really know.
I think it's either that or a slightly 50s/60s recording which tried to imitate the original instruments etc. Russolo used - it's definitely not made used synths and serato or anything like that.
no i meant real instruments, just "new" ones.
i thought the facists smashed up the original instruments.
quite possibly. as I say I don't really know.
I'd imagine it's made using imitations of his 'noise-machines', but there's not a lot of information.
brilliant thread
i know nothing about this, but im checking these out and theyre so so cool. excellent!
Ah, I messed up some of those links
The Keaver & Brause one is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36dr4bCaL3E
and the first Raymond Scott one is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRuJ82CnEGI
I really like that Keaver & Brause
I'm far from being a connoisseur of Maconie/Freak Show stuff,
but I enjoy it from time to time and I've had a good few plays out of 'Rough Trade Shops - Electronic Vol.1', which is a good value compilation with a nice spread of tracks.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rough-Trade-Shops-Electronic-Vol-1/dp/B00005YXNS/
that's quite a cool comp
Nice to see Oval, Farben, Thomas Brinkmann and Kevin Blechdom on there.
It's reminded me though of the serious lack of Joe Meek in this thread, this is my favourite track produced by him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_qFkovJ54E
(more studio-based manipulation than direct electronics though, I guess)
Been meaning to get a Joe Meek comp for a good while now.
This thread might spur me on.
Wendy Carlos - Switched-on Bach (1968)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7SPejDTUA
Also did some of the soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange.
actually that's a bit of a rubbish video.
just listen to Silver Apples instead.
Silver Apples are great.
Seen Simeon several times live in the last couple of years. His set supporting Moby at The Roundhouse for the iTunes Festival in July 2011 was a particular highlight.
Were you aware that Simeon played Bass Oscillator on one of Jimi Hendrix's versions of The Star Spangle Banner
Jean-Jacques Perrey & Dana Countryman - E.V.A.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddqfQtaFVrc
Pretty sure this is damn early, but its a more recent performance. He wears a special lab coat to work the synth :') love that.
I saw him play once he was awesome
also SILVER APPLES!
it looks amazing
He had all those old synths but i don't think they were turned on
most of em anyway :( but fair play to him, he is still ruling in his 80s. Good at fending off drunken geordie hecklers too.
I was just thinking about Silver Apples when I was making a coffee. Definitely one of my favourite bands ever.
Jimi, you could almost slip into a set of techno stuff?! (sort of. maybe. if it was late at night)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQI4GO12cfY
and you can get both their good albums for £5 most places.
The album I think they're named after, Silver Apples of the Moon by Morton Subotnick is also greeat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8DwthVf-Wg
I guess United States of America are a bit of similar vibe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jwi78dYK2o
(don't listen if you think Mark E. Smith came up with all the melodies for the last Fall album himself)
haha
yeah that could be mixed alright into some late night spaced out techno to give off a psychadelic vibe to a set. I enjoyed that cheers.
aye he does do some pilfering sometimes that E Smith
I lump The USA in with Os Mutantes and I guess teh Beatles with the 'using the studio as an instrument a bit more than the average 60s people' thing. I guess that's what they're doing idk really. I suppose it is electronica sort of.
There is a rereleased Silver Apples cd called 'The Garden' which is supposed to be 'the lost 3rd album' which is well worth a listen too if you haven't heard it. Lots of cool instrumentals.
yeh, I just shoved them in 'cause I quite like them
I agree it's not really early electronica in the way other stuff in this thread is.
Probably the same could be said for the Joe Meek track posted above.
I'll check out 'The Garden'.
Amused to see Simeon did a cheeky cover of We Carry On, that Portishead track that definitely wears it's Silver Apples' fandom on it's sleeve.
Oh yes Garden is pretty great
quite different to the first two records, dare I say a tad more whimsical at points. All the instrumentals, weren't recorded at the time though, I'm fairly certain they were recorded in the 90's during the first Silver Apples reunion.
nice.
I haven't heard it all yet, but check out the record he cut with Luke Vibert! which silverpop posted above.
yeah the names just clicked
I'd know about the guy for a while but hadn't dug to deep.
Bruce Haack - Electric Lucifer
This is so ace, don't how I forgot about this guy, he's almost as good as Mort Garson:
Electric to Me Turn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7BCyF3xiY0
this one kind of reminds me of Animal Collective (if they were better):
Song of the Death Machine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uePirjxIo8Q
Mort Garson - The Wozard of Iz
The Enchanted Sea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7KSZFxzOAo
(kind of reminds me of the ace new Dimlite single: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkrY8Nnz0A)
Nice little oddity here for fans of recent Broadcast output
as played by an Australian Nun.
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2010/03/two-australian-nuns-turn-on-drum-machine-and-ignite-the-spirit.html
Not sure how early you wanna go...
Silver Aples; my favorite, Kraftwerk/Computer World; Cybotron; Popcorn by Hot Butter (corny - HA!); The Don Was/Jack Tann production for Orbit (The Beat Goes On).
Lovely thread
Can't believe I didn't see it yesterday...
If you want to get into any archeology of electronic music, Sub Rosa has the necessary comps (It's one of those websites that doesn't give proper links, but their called Anthology of Noise & Electronic Music Vol. 1-5) Which reminds me that I still need to get Vol.5
As so much music has already been put forward allow me to digress into some other type of musings (or stop reading now).
Experimentation with electronic music resulted from a changing sound environment in the world. With the advent of industrialisation the world became not only louder but the sounds of the world also changed. People like Luigi Russolo tried to capture this in their music but found that existing instruments were not able to give them the sound they were looking for. Therefore new instruments had to be invented and created. The early electronic instruments were all intended to recreate existing sounds: Russolo's Intonarumori were intended to recreate the sounds of the street, Leon Theremin created the Theremin because he thought that radio bandwaves could sound like a violin. Where this experimentation gets interesting, for me, is when electronics started to get used to create something different. The epitomy of this is noise. On the one hand, the hand that is steeped in everyday life, noise was mostly heard as something vile and out of place, resulting in endless noise abatament campaigns. On the other hand, musicians were embracing noise(s) in their music and finally, as music. Electronics gave musicians a wider range of sounds to play with and, arguably more importantly, shifted the emphasis in music from harmony and meter to rhythm and timbre. This shift comes to the fore when in the 1970s electronics enter the pop realm.
Yep. All true, plus get this Dick Raaijmakers comp, right?
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=30014
and this comp
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=14708
Dick Raaijmakers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW-n6GWFAvI
It's still languishing in my basket i'm afraid, but I'll get it one of these days.
Where would we be without Dick
Proper innovator him and that comp should be owned by all of us.
Great Great Thread
Cant believe no-one has mentioned this yet
http://progressive.homestead.com/electronicmusic.html#anchor_257
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002X5QXS8/ref=asc_df_B002X5QXS8613181/?tag=ciaouk-music-21&creative=7966&creativeASIN=B002X5QXS8&linkCode=asn
I picked it up from Resident in Brighton the other day. Its wonderful, highly reccomended, some of the stuff these people were doing is astounding.
Another one
Martin Denny - Exotic Moog
Mainly famous for making loungue music in the 50s, he's just kicked back with a moog and having a groove on this album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUdGraBIxvY&feature=related
On a similar note, I was listening to Sukia's Contacto espacial con el tercer sexo, which taps into this kind of stuff and is pretty cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOA92UMZOFg
Oh also,
you can now stream the Delia Derbyshire Dreams piece here:
http://www.ubu.com/sound/derbyshire.html
genuinely incredible stuff.
that delia derbyshire piece is great
delved into more of her recordings last year after loving the white noise record.
I guess you're familiar with fifty foot hose? not strictly electronica but some pretty weird early electronic sounds nonetheless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ItCmFjYbic
actually, this is a better example
pretty heavy too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKtkxCSboU8&feature=related
Great thread
but I didn't see that anyone had posted this
The Alchemists of sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKPGzX5kZd0
this is part 1 of 6 - follow links for the others
also, Swedish style
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/motherboard/ralph-lundsten-s-andromeda-galaxy
Stones Throw! of all people are putting out a comp of Bruce Haack vocoder tracks...
which is pretty great. posted it in the other thread, but thought it might be fun to give this one a bump
http://www.factmag.com/2010/08/12/stones-throw-celebrate-king-of-techno-bruce-haack-on-new-compilation/
this is the original of the track linked to in the article, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03D852nr7PY pretty amazing stuff, strap some sub-bass on, speed it up a little and it could almost be the new Instra:mental...maybe.
Oh, also I've been revisiting the Life on Earth soundtrack a bit recently. lovely morning music.
meant to buy that Daphne Oram boxset but don't have the cash...anyone got it?
self-indulgent thread-bump
why did i not know about this from 2005-7?
http://www.discogs.com/label/Creel%20Pone
still, a pretty amazing discovery resource for this stuff, if you want to give some titles a google. the root strata blog has put a couple of them up, and the Pythagoron, Ruth White (as mentioned), and Pietro Grossi records are pretty ace.
good reason to bump
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2011/02/radiophonic-weekend-bristol.html!
feat. appearances from Dick Mills and David Cain!
from the latter this is such a good record: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGTCCTPSI30
I've got Electronic Sounds and Music by F.C. Judd and that's real beautiful so i'm intrigued by that section too.
these days i really like lots of the scandinavian stuff that was getting made at the same time tho:
like Ralph Lundsten, Pekka Airaksinen and Erkki Kurenniemi...
i wish my school-days were like thsi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfDr9zaO_TQ
digging Serge Bulot as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUiyddbQc_w
and i'd like to buy this http://boomkat.com/vinyl/385609-various-historische-aufnahmen-historical-recordings
3> Richard Maxfield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuYYBwFjChU
sort of lost track w/ the reissues but good article on recent stuff by Simon Reynolds in the new frieze:
http://www.frieze.com/issue/article/music11/
Recently got the Deutsche Elektronische Musik comp.
If that counts.
It's great.
http://www.souljazzrecords.co.uk/releases/?id=18676
I think this is probably my favourite ever music board thread
it is good
I miss oneforghost
:*(
He was a champ.
Posted a couple times a few couple back.
thread delivered!
and who knew meths was into early avant garde modular synth stuff. respect.
Oh Oneforghost!
I might see if I have anything to add here later. Another shout-out to the Recollection GRM records for now though!
Might be of interest to people:
http://www.nonclassical.co.uk/?p=3068
Laurie Spiegel - The Expanding Universe
This is early computer music, reissued towards the end of the year. Hadn't heard of her before the Wire started enthusing about this record.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIqS5_bh4nM
nice Simon Reynolds feature.
http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9002-laurie-spiegel/
This compilation by David Toop is great...
"Booming On Pluto: Electro for Droids" - it tries to look at the history of electronic music through a mix:
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Ocean-Of-Sound-3-Booming-On-Pluto-Electro-For-Droids/release/221944