Truly the most hateful drumbeat
fastish bpm
kick - open hat - kickn'snare - open hat - kick - open hat - kickn'snare - open hat
Has anything good ever become of this?
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Do you have any examples?
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It's the generic four to the floor 'Disco' beat. You can hear it everywhere.
I thought was what he meant,but wasn't sure.
4x4 disco/house beat? There have been countless absolute classics built on this beat.
A Guy Called Gerald - Voodoo Ray http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivr57dcs9-E
First Choice - Let No Man Put Asunder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMLppzt2b8c
Rhythym is Rhythym - Strings Of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcVdg3aZjGE
For starters.
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Depends. If the drummer looks like this: http://tinyurl.com/yh8g5w5
then there's a high likelihood that it will sound badass. If the drummer looks like this: http://tinyurl.com/ydlcq29 then it's more likely that it will be allied with a bassist who has no pocket and therefore sound like straight ass.
*taps foot*
I like it!
If it is what it sounds like in my head, pretty much the entire of modern dance music evolved from it...
I know!
I feel sorry for him.
[disclaimer]
I meant as played on a drum kit, usually as part of a guitar band.
yeah, depends on the drummer.
and whether there are any sweet fills to embellish it now and then. sometimes less is a lot, lot more.
if it's accompanied by on-beat bass and on-beat discordant, jangly guiar... it's probably going to be a bit bobbins, isn't it?
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Thing is, the first time a band did that, it was probably good. Then, like every other decent musical idea, it got severely debased by a succession of piss-poor identikit groups - to a man, as formulaic as the mainstream rock/pop they probably love to have a rant about.
Depends on the drummer?
Isn't it usually a Roland 808,909 or something similiar?
Are we talking about the same thing here? It would help if the original poster explained what the hell he is going on about!
i don't think it matters what instrument it's on.
it depends on the music, doesn't it? works with some things, doesn't with others. if it's a typical radio 1/topman 'indie' band, then yes, it is going to sound shit. if it's billie jean, it's obviously brilliant. in a way, i don't think one can make so sweeping a statement that says that that beat is rubbish no matter what.
but then, in a much more real way, they can.
discuss.
did you just cry out of your BUM?
My god - I can't believe you cried out of your bum on the internet.
er... what?
Agreed
I think some people are mistaking this for the standard disco beat - I'm just hearing the beat from 'I'm Not Sorry' by Pigeon Detectives. There's a difference between having the standard kick - kick+snare 4/4 pattern with a nice hi-hat pattern and the monster above.
About a billion things.
Perhaps more.
Ooh! Howabout
Fastish BPM (mebbe 135)
kick - kick - kick - kick
whilst the hi-hat goes
tikka-tikka tikka-tikka tikka-tikka tikka-tikka
what about that?
When I saw Nissenmondai
that was literally the only thing the drummer played. Pretty great in a way.
(I secretly quite like it)
bass-snare-bass-bass-snare
WE WILL WE WILL ROCK YOU
thats claps innit?
i think it's a bit of both
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Couple that with 8th notes on the floor tom and you have the world's shittest drumbeat.
Disco Beats
Matt Tong is repsonsible for bringing it back into indie music. was really exciting during the whole Paul Epworth era of indie dance, now I literally turn off/walk out on a band if I hear it. So lazy and unoriginal. I even throw the odd disco beat into my own bands set if its going badly just to take the piss.
Any beat that causes the singer's pointy shoed foot to stomp on the floor
a la Kapranos from Franz Ferdinand.
Any disco or 4-ON-TEH-FLOOR beat when played in an indie band generally sounds absolute dogshit. I guess Death from Above 1979 were the only rock band to use a "dance" beat without sounding crap.
I’m sure Vivian Girls talked about hating these BEETZ on their widely hated interview with Uncensored
Is that the interview
where they talk about how they can't believe anyone has to work for a living? Why can't everyone just be as amazing as them?
Eh, not quite that
but yeah, that's the interview.
yeah to be honest
just some random indie bitching there. I felt dirty as soon as I posted it. I like VG.
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That's because the basis of a stone cold classic groove isn't merely a drummer, but a competent, creative bassist to work in conjunction with.
This is a concept that is utterly alien to the vast majority of indie bands. Which is fair play, because when you're entire reason to be is to sound garage-y and shit, you don't want anything that can make you sound too slick. And a tight rhythm section will always do this.
BIG WORDS, MAN.
TAKIN NOTES MAN.
BIG WORDS.
Errr
New Order?
Is this the basic indie punk-funk beat?
The one that so many bands add a cowbell to?
House Of Jealous Lovers uses it, doesn't it? That's ace.
my most hated beat
is dancehall.
bring on the musical racist slurs...
the dancehall beat?
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so i'm told
township funk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l1bjtjzZFo&feature=related
thought have to admit this tune aint bad
who told you that?
thats not a dancehall song and theres no such thing as the dancehall beat.
and whats even vaguely hateful about that beat?
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its an opinion
just like the thread started. are there any beats you dislike?
not really
its just odd that youve picked a pretty much totally original and fantastic beat from a dance song that you quite like as an example of hateful beat.
Which riddim?
Diwali, Punani, Sleng Teng, Egyptian...There have been thousands.
yeah indie disco beat
it should be grounds for cutting a drummer's hands off. Starting with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOK88cEK5Dk (takes a while to get to the beat in question)
HOUSE OF
JEALOUS LOVERS
SHAKE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN
you made me scroll all the way over there.
it was quite a journey. i enjoyed it.
i think...
it's a bit bollocks to say that you 'shouldn't use a beat because it's been done before'. continuity can be a good thing. continuity of repetetive music, continuity of instrumentation, continuity of a genre. i'd say that being different for the sake of being different (and therefore possibly coming up with a load of crap) is worse than continuing (and possibly elaborating on) an extant theme. continuity leads to accessibility - something that is important to the masses. copying and constantly re-using the same chord progressions (such as CGAF) is worse. although that progression has been at the root of many an awesome choon.
Surely its
Kick
kick kick
SNARE
kick
kick kick
SNARE
see
JAMC - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKN3QodIRW8
camera obscura - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjftSv3zq1w
I mean, it works, but guys, get a new intro.
I might make a mash up one day of all the songs that start like this.
HEY
http://www.vimeo.com/5906415
I personally hate
mid-tempo bpm
SNARE
SNARE
SNARE-kick
SNARE-kick
worst example: Primal Scream - Rocks
IIIYAMTHUREZZERECTION
ANI AMTHUR LIE!
i despise this one:
Clocks, coldplay.
C |X---------------|----------------|----------------|----------------|
H |--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|
S |o-----o-----o---|o-----o-----o---|o-----o-----o---|o-----o-----o---|
B |o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|
I have no idea if that will work or if anyone can read drumming tabs (i fucking hate them)
it's the stupid off kilter three snare in three bars, perfected by all those cunts. the only band to use it right is the twilight sad.
Personally I think that one is great
in that it perfectly compliments what is being played by the rest of the band.
Different Strokes for different folks.
The drum beat that most annoys me is suprisingly Apartment Story by The National. I think they are a stunning band but that beat is horrible.
well, i do hate it when it feels like it was chosen for just not being 4/4
rock, but in sayting that it works well in the coldplay song. i just hate other uses of it in songs that don't need it. as i said, the twilight sad slightly over used it on their first record, thankfully have branched out slightly.
best drum into ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzLdgqSXNJs
...hmm its not that special on that live recording, get Nowhere and listen to that instead
Inappropriate This'd to Phil9064
I love Apartment Story's drum beat. It's tops. Indeed their drummer is fab - see Brainy. He does look like a maths professor though.
I don't doubt his talent at all
as you say, the aforementioned brainy is stunning. It is just that on apartment story his playing does not compliment the overall sound at all. The bit that really annoys me goes like this:
HH x x - - / x x - - /
Sn - - o o / - - o o /
BD o o - - / x x - - /
Its about half way through the song. Its just the double hits make it sound really jittery and staccato, when the rest of the band are playing quite legato (practically the bass).
About 1.40 in this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFcD5HS_Chc
and worse at 2.10
I see where you're coming from
but I quite like it. Adds that air of uncertainty and restlessness to the song.
That was terrible.
I don't get that band at all.