£40 to do your paperwork.
it's free to get an ISRC code and catalogue number.
"Ditto own lots of labels – the names of which are not known by ANYONE. The names of artists releasing on our labels are strictly private."
eh?!
£40 to do your paperwork.
it's free to get an ISRC code and catalogue number.
"Ditto own lots of labels – the names of which are not known by ANYONE. The names of artists releasing on our labels are strictly private."
eh?!
that sounds awesome
i hope it's true.
The site looks dump...
thats fucking terrible!
what a rip off. give us all your money and we'll make some CDs with REAL barcodes on them! I shit yee not!
I like where it says "Cat afford to start your own label up?"
What do Cats have to do with it?
what about this for a sentence;
"MCPS license
This license your tracks meaning that they are copyrighted and you will recieve all royalty's from any airplay or sales."
That's bollocks
...MCPS have nothing to do with airplay - that's PPL and PRS. And you don't need to register with MCPS to establish copyright in recordings.
best point ever
if say the kaiser chiefs hand used them, then at least the site would look better. and they wouldnt make stupid spelling mistakes like "Cats"
i'm trying to figure out
...what the hell kind of point they're trying to get across in that part about their label names. it makes no sense whatsoever.
have bands actually gone for this? if they have are they very very stupid bands with names like "Fuck Chimp Teabag" etc?
?!
for £25
i'd be tempted to investigate.
though they do look shoddy as hell.
fuck that
any organisation that asks bands for money up front are scum and rip off merchants. pay to play venues are another example.
"scum. sub-human scum"
sounds like a big fat con to me
forrrrrrrrrrrrreal
i'd go and see a band
called fuck chimp teabag.
I've seen them live ...
....not bad : )
i'd fuck a chimp with a teabag
i can imagine
this kind of thing turning up on watchdog in the near future
anyone simple enough to use a site like that
should be ripped off.
Who in their right mind would use them?
i already answered that
Namely, "Fuck Chimp Teabag". They're great. And they released several great records on a label, the name of which was 'private', but they had bar codes on them!
well as long as they had bar codes
its all good
what the hell!
I dont quite get what you lot are on about...
To get an isrc or catalogue number you have to have a record label. To have a
label you need a company, an ccountant and a million other things. To get a
barcode you need to pay GS1 several hundred quid and you cant sell a cd in a shop without one.
As far as i can see this is for unsigned bands to release stuff to try and get in the charts n whatever. Good luck to 'em - most labels wont anything at all these days!
Rip off? Dunno. There seems to be a paypal checkout and they only
take payment after the contrax are signed.
Do any of you people actually run a label? I do - and to be honest i wish i'd thought of this idea first!!
Alex.
whatthehelldoyouknow records
Quite a few people on here run labels
and, honestly, you're talking a load of pish. you don't need a barcode to sell CDs/vinyl in a shop - small labels don't generally operate off them anyway and most chains have barcode printers instore anyway. you don't need a "company, an accountant and about a million other things" to have a label.
that really does look like a crock of shit. it's playing on people who don't really know anything about the industry or how it works. getting a barcode and having chart registered singles counts for absolutely nothing if you have no idea how to promote yourselves and your music, yet funnily enough they don't mention that anywhere, do they?
what he said ^^^
and he should know.
First post - beware.
It's probably mr ditto music
i dont get it
Iv used these people and im not sure what anyones problem is. I had a track that was blowing up on the net and i wanted to release it. I have no money to start a label up and for a very small amount of money i was able to release it properly through a label. How exactly would i have done this otherwise??
I think you all seem to be confused about what they actually provide.
'blowing up on the net'
inflating or exploding?
either way, sounds scary...
what
see, nothing clever to say about anything. I sold about 3000 copies of my track , if id waited for a label id have sold about 3
you lot just seem a bit bitter to me
but there was a third way, surely?
just doing it yourself?
Exactly ^^^
Looking at the website a little closer, there's next to nothing they 'offer' that you couldn't do yourself.
You think their involvement puts you on a level playing field with every chart act out there? Obviously, this isn't the case.
Seriously, take 65dos as an example: they're on the radio, in Kerrang, rock sound, DiS etc etc, and it all stemmed from them releasing a demo themselves (no fucking barcode) as an EP and touring the fuck out of it. Legwork gets you places, one-off payments don't.
also
"If you send a "single" out to radio/press and there is no barcode on it then they will rarely look at it."
What bullshit. Most of what the press and radio gets sent has no barcode cos it's a flippin promo.
We don't scan the thing for it to come up "review this, it's good" or "another baggy revival outfit - bin it!"
Twits.
again..what?
I feel a lot better having a record out on a record label, than havin a demo to pass to people. It looks better, it got me several magazine reviews and people view me as an artist rather than an unsiged artist.
All you people seem to b worried about is a "one off payement" or whatever. its a service, you pay for it, what is the problem in that. They didnt take any of the money i made from sales. And how exactly would i have got my single on to places like viring digital and amazon without it being on a proper label.
I got a lot of help form these people and i dont like seeing them get slagged off by people who clearly still dont understand what they actually provide.
well 3000 copies was pretty good actually considering i didnt hardly promote it and it was only played on pirate radio.
So how many records have you sold "mike"
and again....what!!!
"they offer you nothing you couldnt do yourself"
I didnt have a record label!!!!!
my god!!!
Tell me how i can get a release eligible for the charts without actually having a record label to release it an ill listen to you!
where did you get in the charts?
perhaps more importantly
who are you and what was the single called ?
sorry
the whole point of me using ditto was so that i would class as a signed artist.
As far as other artists know i have a record deal and had a single out, which sounds a lot better than when i was telling people i was unsigned.
So youll forgive me if i dont want to give my details away and completely lose the profile i have now built up
what so youre lying to people?
surely you could just as easily lie that you had your own label?
the question still stands: what position did you get to in the charts?
cos if it wasnt, say, top 75, what the hell difference does it make whether you were in the charts or not?
i think its more likely that you are not a musician and that youre an employee of the company. or more likely you are the company. in which case, please correct your spelling mistakes, and realise that the label connected to these message boards was in fact the one that released the first kaiser chiefs single. they didnt do i themselves. and didnt must destroy do the darkness? not so sure about that one.
the question remains: what does the £40 get you that you couldnt get yourself.
also: you think that itd really matter if you let people know on this message board what your single was called?
.....
a record label to release my single. i didnt have one. please please please listen to what i have said
me: had no record label
they: gave me record label to release on
you: need to keep up
*cough*
idiot...
very funny comedian
thats genius
i must have that clever remark for my new sitcom
how , how did you come up with it
you coughed, and then said it!!! So its like you were saying it, but not outloud!!!
thats the freshest thing ive heard since "you are the weakest link, goodbye"
I think
that your sitcom will be really rubbish. For instance, you seemingly don't grasp simple concepts.
Also, there probably won't be any ninjas in your sitcom. Oh, by the way, is this magical record label paying for your sitcom too? Will that have a barcode and sell 3000 copies?
Wait one minute. Who are you again? Are you Anne Robinson? If that is the case, you're not very pretty.
Hmmm
Now I know zilch about running a record label or releasing records but I'm suspicious that the 2 people (alex_lanson and stilldre2001) in favour of this have posted once and three times respectively on DiS.
once again
Well i dont know who the other geezer is and i joined this site obviously to add to the discussion as im about the only person here to have any knowledge of it.
My record was in the charts, obviously it wasnt top 40 but it still helped me.
U dont need a barcode to get a review, but you do need it be on a label. the point pretty much all of you people have missed. Something i would not have been able to do otherwise
Why is everyone on here obsessed with barcodes!
Me: pay money to them
Them: Release my single through a registered record label.
me: happy
really?
3000 didn't get you in the top 40? I was to believe that 6000 on a quiet week could get you top ten. blimey.
this is a nice idea, but I agree that considering the amount of businesses out there whose main cannon fodder is small bands then it's healthy to be wary and up to the legit businesses to market themselves as such.. through such tesiments of people like mr dre. and "private artists".
3000
yea, i wish all my sales would have counted in the first week as it would hopefully have been top 40. As it was though it sold 2984 over the period of 4 weeks, ont eh 3rd week it did nearly 1000 which was the highest.
6000 in one week
this is 3000 overall.
what label was it?
.
sorry again
ok, you gonna have to keep up with me here.
I dont want people to know i dont have a big record label behind me. I got a list of label names to pick from and i chose one. the info is confidential though as most artists wouldnt want people to know they are doing it through ditto
you ask why people are obsessed with barcodes
but thats essentially all that ditto seem to provide. you still have to press up your own records, no? and get them distributed yourself? so theyre not "releasing" anything?
if you want to be successful and well known
then Im amazed you wouldnt want to divulge your identity.
= liar liar pants on fire
DUH
the users of DiS finding out that he's unsigned will DESTROY his image!
and surely ditto says the idea is you release through them, sell a few thousand, and then get picked up by a real label w=cos youve shown your track record?
OH YEAH!
God man, I hate it when I find out that a band I like is unsigned. I just cant take them seriously.
again and adain
my identity is of a successful artist, something that iv built up myself.
"they dont distribute it"
No, obviously they dont, your not going to get full distribution and a CD knocked up for that price!
What i got was someone to put my record out which was a lot cheaper and quicker than trying to start my own label up.
Please, just someone tell me you understand what exactly i recieved before we go round in another circle!
you received barcodes?
right?
"What i got was someone to put my record out which was a lot cheaper and quicker than trying to start my own label up. "
what else does this ACTUALLY, PHYSICALLY, LITERALLY entail? everything they list on their site is free. apart from barcodes, but shops can/normally do put their own barcodes on anyway.
no
alex, please put forward some kind of factual arguement.
You need a specific barcode number for a single. The shops can print this but they cant give you one! this has to go through the chart company
this is what im saying, your all quick to judge but you dont have any idea what your talkin about. Id love to enter into a factual discussion but i just cant see it happening
for the last time
and once again
IT IS NOT FREE TO SET UP A RECORD LABEL!
someone please tell me you understand what im saying and what i did with my single
"IT IS NOT FREE TO SET UP A RECORD LABEL"
what costs do you think are needed to 'set up a record label'?
yep
had a feeling that would go unanswered.
still waiting
for a goddamn answer.
so how did you distribute the CD?
who actually got it into the shops - you, or them?
ok
once i had my release date sorted along with a specific barcoe and catalogue number i went to 2 of my local indie shops who are chart eligible and got them to stock it.
Your not seriously sayin that for 25 quid you want them to register your track to a label, give it a barcode an catalogue number and then distribute it for you?
yup
love it or hate it, you dont take unsigned bands as seriously as signed bands.
WHAT?
you're embarrassing, mate. total disaster.
reply
as hilariously sarcastic as that was, thats was my point
but, if this isnt too personal/confidential
who has now signed you, now that youve taken the Ditto path to success?
i think that a great many
DiS-ers would disagree
yup
well ive already got distribution for my next single and a meeting with the radio1 playlist people, and a fairly decent fanbase.
Are you saying there is something wrong with releasing through your own label, because that is all i did, i jus set it up through them
surely if youve got distribution for your next record
you dont need to pretend that you're signed? youve got the important thing. so come on, tell us who you are.
why the conspiracy of silence then
if its all cool, why not let us know who you are ?
its not like your fanbase will utterly desert you upon finding out you used a 'service' like ditto
nah
i like my fanbase to think i am signed. say what you want but i get a lot more respect , when i meet labels i tell them its my own label. for people who buy my music though it helps for them to think i am successful
By the way....
Very sorry if I've wrongly accused you two! And welcome to Drowned In Sound. Pour yourselves a drink, pull up a chair and join in the fun.
LOLOLLOZ
blantantly ditto music have seen this thread:
the spelling error we/grumpy-i-zimbra pointed out has been corrected.
which makes the appearance of the funny little people more amusing
uhuh
"funny little people"
you people are whats ruining music. the patronising, self assured manner in which you speak is pretty much a parody of any A&R know it all out there.
I did things my own way, i sold records, i just thank god that artists dont need people like you any longer to validate them
youre funny little people
because the evidence suggests that youre a representative of ditto (ie, there is a little bit of evidence for this statement, and absolutely no evidence against it).
a large amount of the music championed on these boards and made by its users is self released.
my god
jeeeez.
see this is why i stay away from message boards. Your a small group of people who thikn your opinions count for everything becase you sit here patting one another on the back all day long.
I come on d-i-s a lot, i know a lot of artists on here. If i want to post something about something i have had experience with then say what you will.
you can sit here slagging me as much as you want as well as the ditto company, you still havent listened to anything ive said.
next time ill just leave you to discuss something with no facts behind it so you can noddingly disapprove in union
please answer this question:
who arranged for your CD to go out into shops?
ok
i did!!! thats not in dispute is it?
They gave me a record label to put it out on which is what i wanted. From that i could get my cd into a shop and have it count towards the chart
so
you handled:
* recording
* pressing
* distribution
* promotion
and they gave you.. a barcode. oh, and a "label name".
this was the point being made here in the first place - they literally do nothing you couldn't have done yourself in the first place. distribution and promotion are the two most important things in getting a record out and getting it sold, and you've done those yourself, which is pretty impressive really.
but you didn't need to pay them anything, fo' shure.
but you're not really answering any of our questions about the ditto service
if you would just be more open and tell us exactly what they physically did for you
and gave some solid hint that your story was true and that you werent just a ditto worker then maybe you'd be taken more seriously
how?
ive told you what they did for me. I dont really see what i can tell you about myself without giving away my artist name. I mean thers plenty of other people who have used them, why dont you look those up
if anyone has any questions about what exactly i recieved please let me know
where can we look that up?
just interested, couldn't see anyhting on dittos site about people who have used them.
.......
well i dont want people to know ive used them , why would anyone else!!
i got some refferences off people whod used them before i signed anything, if you want them, mail them!
we already have let you know
tehy gave you a barcode right? anything else?
if all theyre doing is selling you a barcode so that your release is chart eligable, thats fine. why be secretive about it?
why alc ?
please let me explain.
I had a track i wanted to release, i had no label to release it.
For 45 quid they released it for me and i set a label up under them. This is a lot cheaper than setting my own label up. Barcodes are just what i need to get in the shops and have it count.
ITS THE RECORD LABEL IM PAYING TO USE!!
Dick
"setting up my own label" Total bollocks. Ever heard of CDrs. They are cheap and easy to post to people. Who needs a "label"?
but it ISN'T a label
labels handle promo, distribution, etc - you admitted up there ^^^^ that you did all that yourself.
......
secretive!!
ive said the same thing 100 times now!
no, not your ridiculous
"my music needs to be secret or people will think im unsuccessful" thing. i mean the fact that ditto claim theyre releasing a record, when in fact theyre just putting a barcode on it, and doing a little paperwork. surely the website should be called "barcodez.com" and just admit that thats all they do. i'm still assuming you work for ditto.
don't mess, alcxxk
it's fatboy slim and zoe ball's on her way round with some heavies to 'teach you a lesson'.
they may hace changed the speeling but the grammar is still wrong, see below
"Ditto do not release the names of any of our labels to the public. As far as your the public is concerned your record is going out on an established label"
Rumbled?
Spelling mistakes
I can still see a few - do they need me to point out the mistakes that are still there, do you think?
just no
my god u think your clever. bet you had a right little chortle at yourself for that one
please, head straight to the comedy awards, your wasted here
i give up i really do
Charming
God bless you.
the thing is still
im sure a lot of people would like to believe you. but when it comes to most unsigned bands/artists, they relentlessly (and rightly so) whore themselves all of the internet so people can share and appreciate their music. you say that it would damage your reputation to be seen as unsigned, but er, thats how everyone starts out. in fact, i would say the people on this forum are more suspicious of bands and artists that are immediately signed by major labels with no previous fanbase. so i cant see how it would have any negative impact to reveal your mysterious identity!
*all over the internet
obviously
basic transcription of the exchange this afternoon:
idiot comes onto messageboard. tries to defend bullshit company which, as guntrip and many others have proved, is a complete waste of time. then, upon realising he's wrong, goes into a huff like a five-year-old and decides that the Big Bad Message Boarders just aren't listening to him and oh it's so unfair and that's how he gets out of answering the REAL, IMPORTANT questions that we're asking about this, seemingly pointless, service.
why oh why
ive answered every question on here, all you have done is try an make light of anything ive said. Something you most likely do as in the real world no one finds you particuarly entertaining.
And how did guntrip prove it was a waste of time, by saying so?
Ive used the thing, i should know!
any factual discussions are welcome, any jumped up geekfests with names such as fishplums please report to benny hill, he wants his material back
er, no.
guntrip has his own label. he is to release records. on his own. without 'ditto'. without masses of overflowing money. on. his. own. (maybe with a partner, i'm not sure), but the main thing here is that people see this as a scam. and you getting over-emotional about the whole thing hasn't helped you argue why exactly this service is a good idea.
now, let's be calm and rational about this. i'm in a band. i want to release 500 seven inch records.
what are the pros and cons of releasing them on:
a) my own label?
or
b) through ditto?
also, am i to understand that all ditto provides is a 'name'. by which i mean that you still have to do all the dirty work (promotion, production of CDs, distribution) and all you're paying ditto to do is to get, say, warners to say "yep. that's my man. we're big and we endorse him so he must therefore be good." is that it? (this is an honest question. no more inaccurate comedian comparisons please.)
okay, just for me ...
when you say "gave me a label" ... what does this mean,
they just invented one and gave it to you?
they put you in contact with and arranged for you to be signed by an existing one ?
why are you apparently ashamed with having your real name associated with ditto ?
what do they provide that any enterprising individual or band couldn't do for themselves ?
how many times...
i cant release something on a label because i dont have one.
Ditto own labels that they let you release on, for a small price, with that you get barcodes, isrc, whatever,
last time im saying that
there must be 1 person on the whole board who can understand english
but its you thats witholding remotely provable facts
christ, i can't believe that ive gotten bored of this. it started off as a little bit of fun trying to show up a sham company as that, and we cant get past the guy going "IM ANSWERING ALL YOUR QUESTIONS!" and then not answering them.
PLEASE just admit that youre from ditto so that we can go about our days having seen this as not a complete waste of time.
please?
So let
me get this straight. You sold 3000 records in 4 weeks by putting the record in your 2 local indie shops?
teehee
......
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
downloads count
read the thread someone
ok
where can i download your music?
sorry, this has turned into a bit of a witchunt
but im bored. and curious
DUH
we CANT download his music. cos its SECRET music.
i think he said something about "viring" up there tho.
i dont want to tell anyone
have u listened to anything i have said!
muy identity-successful musician!
umm, downloads weren't mentioned in the thread til 19.12
when you mentioned them.
lurchy? wtf?
well i said it was blowing up on the net, meaning downloads, which i converted into paid downloads
excuse me if i put 1 small foot wrong in one of my 100 posts explaining the same thing to you all again
that'll be '31 posts'
and 'boring us shitless'
"I had a track that was blowing up on the net and i wanted to release it"
nothing about converting to downloads
well stilldre
you havent admitted to being a ditto employee, you havent convinced us of its benefits, and you wont let us hear your music, so this really has been a big waste of time.
ps i hope "someone" from ditto is reading this
ditto come across as being like a bargain basement
version of chromium.
i really, really, really, REALLY hope this guy is james blunt.
i actaully thought that earlier on
blunt doesn't strike me as a dr. dre fan particularly.
this is also bullshit
"If you are an MCPS member you will recieve all royalty's from any airplay or sales"
MCPS doesn't deal with royalities from airplay. That't the PRS.
Nou you can call me a cynic....
..but why doe sthis man need a barcode to sell an Mp3 - regardless of whether or not it has "blown up" on the internet or not.
An odd, odd conversation this one.
Give it up scamming filth!
is it just me
or has that sentence been mysteriously removed since this thread appeared?
Toomany small-time crooks in the music business
You don't need a label to sell a CD or record. Most self-released records and CDs have labels merely as labels (in the more usual meaning of the word)- it doesn't actually mean anything.
.
There are too many talentless idiots looking to make an underserved income in the music business.
If something is self-released then the artist isn't necessarily worried about making money; it's just a method for having some music that people can hear.
This thread should be saved
and archived as a warning; there are some real cunts who can talk bullshit for ever.
Next thread: How to sell your granny; she must have a barcode otherwise no-one will take you seriously.
the way the guy managed to play so dumb was kinda impressive
how he could just keep on looking stupid rather than deceitful.
No postal address
the ditto music website has no postal address. I think that, by law, it is required to have a postal address.
from what i can tell
there's not a registered company called 'ditto music'. unless they trade under a different name to which they're registered, they don't even really exist..
if
you click on their paypal it says 'ditto ltd'.
then they're lying
as the only company registered under the name of "ditto ltd" was dissolved last july.
I'm still waiting for
stilldre2001 to try to back his dodgy dealings up again. Remember, he sold 3000 copies!
Yikes!
So anyone working with them is doing so... what... illegally?
Are they not allowed to trade? Or can they do so under another name?
Wut?
Have we uncovered a SCAM?
DiS news exclusive BRING EM DOWN.... LOL.
well, it just means they're
not registered as a limited company. i'm not sure how it works / what that means legally, but i'm fairly sure it means they aren't paying tax or VAT or anything like that..
They can't
use "limited" in a trading name unless they are a limited liablity company registered at companies house.
They could still carry on business without being incorporated (and pay income tax rather than corporation tax) but shouldn't be parading as having "limited" status.
hmm
I suppose they could be done for fraud. If the company indeed is not on the proper lists, or registered with the authorities, they will be committing tax fraud every time some poor sucker buys into their bollocks about barcodes.
I think.
From the website
"Won’t people know we’ve paid to release the record?
Ditto own lots of labels, the names of artists releasing on our labels are strictly private. As far as your friends and everyone else is concerned you have an independent label is putting out your band’s material. There are hundreds of independent labels out there, we do not allow anyone but the artists to know which are ours. "
Does the above mean that ditto is suggesting that people should lie to their friends? That's nice.
does anyone have
any idea how this works out of, say, the hip hop or dance industry? If it's to be believed then artists can show up at shops with a box of white label 12"s and sell them to the store owner if he likes it. Same with mixtapes and dvd's. I didn't think any of this has to have barcodes or what have you, and is a fine example of scenes working by themselves for themselves that artists get picked up from on a regular basis, so i don't know if there's something fundamentally flawed with how we indie kids do it, or if mr dre is coming from something like an r n' b perspective that, to me at least, relies on stuff like radioplay and getting their records stocked at Vermin Meagerstores...
Anyway, I wouldn't use Dittomusic as i'd be scared of turning into the romo fucktards on their front page.
you can do that with indie stuff as well
there are projections and popular workshop 7"s sat in shops as a result of me doing what you've said above.
chains are more difficult, but this is true no matter what sort of music you do. you need proper distribution for that.
basically all they do is sell you a load of nonsense ideas about how you can be a popstar with their help. it's dishonest and a bit of a scam.
This is the most interesting thread I've read for ages
and it raises very good points.
I can't help but feel that our new friend Mr StillDre is now realising - assuming he is an artist proper - that he's not been conned, as such, but has spent money that he didn't need to spend... at his level, every £40 counts.
Any my 65dos point remains: their first EP was their demo, but by pitching it as an EP it sold out, through shows and a few shops. The word 'demo' isn't a dirty one, but 'self-released EP' does sound better, plus it makes like you give a damn and aren't looking to ride anyone else's coattails.
well
the word "demo" implies that you've not really finished the recording yet. Obviously "EP" is alot better, and in this day and age where good quality recording, mixing and mastering has become very affordable, calling something a demo unless it actually is, say, you and a tape deck would be a bit silly.
But yeah, I sold 500 demos/EPs/whatever through shows alone. And they haven't got a barcode at all. They also come on dodgy CD-rs. Nice sleeves though.
nice sleeves, yes
apart from the spelling mistakes ;)
pah
no one noticed that....... <_<
as i said
if you wanna sell 500 cds at gigs, you do that, i wanted my sales to count towards the charts, something i cant do without a label.
as
i give up. As much as i want to defend the people who have been supportive and helpful to me, i dont want to release the details of what my track was. Theyve worked with loads of bands and i got refferences off 2 before i signed anything.
And why would it matter where my song got to anyway, the point is, they helped me,
im not really interested in any of this anymore, it is just going round in circles. Ill leave you to it, the guy on the other site has an email, mail him
Anachronism
You're a relic from the early seventies.
ok..
someone also said that theres a lot more work involved than people think and that its a great service.
You all keep saying that you just get a barcode. I got a record label to release my track, something i needed to get in the chart, something i didnt have.
And your talking about 25 quid, theyr not exactly ripping anyone off. they take a small amount for putting out a record for you.
You all love jumping on things but they are decent people and helped me out a lot, without looking into things properly your just damaging something falsely
you keep using this word "release"
like its a magic word that makes everything alright. this "release" amounts to a barcode and an "IRSC" number. the traditional meaning of releasing a record involves setting up promo, setting up and funding pressing and recording/production/artwork, setting up distribution and maybe buying advertising. for good or for bad, this isnt really "releasing" anything.
if you want to pay your fee for nothing other than your sales to be counted in the charts, good for you, although to me that seems a little pointless.
and as to whether its a rip off: what they do for their money is use their barcoding and "IRSC" priveleges, which i imagine costs them little or nothing, and provide you with some information. if enough people believe the spiel on their site and that there is some magical difference between their version of "releasing" something and just giving it a barcode and IRSC, then they can make a lot of money doing very little to very little profit of anyone other than themselves.
ffs
25 quid!!!!
for being able to put your track out properly!!!
thats scamming people?????
wot the hell are u on about. Theres work involved and its a service they give you, you dont pay for how many minutes they spend on something.
an agen
an it is a "release" because you get a label to put it out on.
So what if they dont do promo, you ain gonna get that for 25 quid, an they dont say they do promo.
Your music must be shite
If it was good you would be able to rely on the quality of the music to get noticed by music fans and by record labels. Since you feel the need to create a false impression of your stature, this implies that the music has no quality and it is all about the bullshit.
well duh
welcome to the music industry
did you just admit that your music is shit?
looks like you did.
Yes
that's what he did: He's an artist who thinks the way to battle the bullshit is to join in.
What he fails to acknowledge is that, although the major labels do peddle shite, they also spend a lot of time sending people to gigs, listening to the good radio shows and trawling through myspace (and looking on here no doubt) in order to find something that will sell. The major labels aren't just idiots persuaded by bullshitters.
he also appears to think that
sales > quality of music.
helloo lee
i love the fact that both stilldre and lee both spelt references wrong in exactly the same way...
so you dont actually listen to anything i say then
well this thread is still goin then. Can you please listen to what im saying here before you get back on your soapboxes.
I paid a small amount of money so that on my EP it said by "such and such record", with this it had a barcode and was registered with the charts company.
None of you have gone through this process so you dont actually know what this is.
I was told what i would get, i got what i paid for and i was happy. Where you find a scam in this equation i dont know.
Your all going round in circles talking about different things that arent even rellevent. If you have a problem why dont you take it up with the company.
If you dont have a record label behind you and want to put something out on a record label for not much money then this is perfect, which it was for me.
cue unintelligent repsonses....
chaps
I'm sposed to be doing some work hence surfing about - one of the ditto music people's replied to a very similar thing on the record of the day message board:
http://www.recordoftheday.com/mb/
Mr Joe
I can't see where that is...
MY EYES.
the thread's called Thoughts On this Website
about just over halfway down.
Anyway this is the text cos you're too much ROCK to read it
"Although we obviously dont want to react to every opinion on our company, we feel however that it is neccessary to say something if things start circulating that arent factual.
Ditto was set up a while back by a group of people who have worked in the industry for years. When managing an artist we wanted to release a single fairly quickly but had no label interest, and could not afford or have time to set up our own label to release on. When i eventually did get the track out, it was too late. We can now give bands a very cheap way of releasing their music on a record label and hopefully helping them getting it into shops and online, something they would otherwise not be able to do.
In no way does it mention on our contracts that we hold copyright. The contract is based solely for the artsist purpose and covers them incase we do not act appropriately, feel free to look at it. We are not interested in holding rights to work. See below.
3.You grant to us (on behalf of yourself) all necessary consents under the
Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (?Act?) and any modification or
re-enactment thereof to enable us to make the fullest possible use of the Works
in accordance
with the provisions of this Agreement including without limitation any and all
consents required under Part II of the Act. (At no time does Ditto hold
copyright of the Artist's work.)
I would be happy to discuss any of our services with anyone who wants to email (info@dittomusic.com). I would also be happy to give people refferences of artists who have used us.
There is no small print, no hidden costs and everything we do is clearly set out on our website. Please look more closely at what we do before you manage to put artists off what is a great and very affordable service.
thank you
Lee
www.dittomusic.com
"
'I would also be happy to give people refferences of artists who have used us'
I thought this was meant to be a massive secret?
wel
wel thank god theyv put something up somewhere, at least u know i ain bleedin workin for em.
The guy on there seems to understand what hes doin and seems more than happy with it, just like i was. We are the only people iv seen on a board that have actually used or going to use the service.
Everyone else is just spouting random false facts
so,
who are you again, and what was your song called, where can I hear it, and where's your proof?
and
where did it chart ?
lol
is what i have to say to THAT.
but i looked at the record of the day board. theyre all mainstream music industry people, so i'd trust them to speak sense. basically one person pointed out how much bullshit it all was, and that tehy do such a tiny part of whats involved in releasing a record.
then someone from ditto came on and basically said "yes: all we do is put barcodes on things and give things label names for people who dont have time to set up a label. we dont pretend to do anything else."
but if you look at the website, in the blurb they make it sound like a hell of a lot more than it really is.
stilldre2001 has massively hurt their image tho.
jeez
they dont give u a "label name"
surely you understand the difference between making up a random label name, and having a registered record label to put a track out on.
You tell me, if i want to put a track out and dont have a label, what do it do?
Please just answer me that question, i dont have money or time to set my own up
i'll ask again
how much money do you think it costs to set up a label?
Boom
I just set up a label. Who wants to sign to me?
Stupid Computer! Recordings.
surely you mean
who wants you to sign them?
"Please just answer me that question"
I'll ask again... how much money do you think it costs to set up a label?
"putting out" a track
is about distributors, not labels.
the difference between our silly made up record labels (woop! i just started a new one: FakeInternetAliasToDefendMyCrappyCompany Records) and a ditto one is that ditto gives you barcodes and does a little paperwork for you.
the difference between a ditto label and a real label that does anything other than a little paper work and assigning you a barcode is Massive.
ive looked at the site again
theyve made significant changes to it since this started:
theres now a telephone contact number and they've changed from saying they make your record "sound" professional to making it "seem" professional.
still havent changed the thing about The Kaiser Chiefs releasing their own records.
from what was said on the record of the day boards, theyre apparently helpful, good people to work with, but the actual service theyre providing is for the most part worthless: their service makes it possible for small scale releases to be counted in the charts, and thats all.
why a small scale release needs chart recognition is another question entirely.
good point actually
Another thing to consider is why people would want to fake being signed to a record label.
Surely it would just be better to get signed?
My eyes hurt
Why all this secrecy? Are you embarressed by what you "produce", you sound like a bit of a fashion whore with all this tak of labels, labels, labels.
Were you in Steps?
uhuh
yea, lets all run out an get signed then
easy as that
DO IT YOUR FUCKING SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fucks sake
ok,
I'll send you a PM when my next EP is released on a real label then.
also
I won't lie to people about who release my music, after I get signed.
ok
Theyve always had a contact number, ive rang them about 50 times.
If your mate cant speak. You tell me how unsigned artists like myself can put a record out on a label.
No money and no label
how? tell me?
ok
sorry al that was you.
I wanted a chart place! why wouldnt i want one if my song was doing well.
And if i didnt want one it would have only cost me 25 quid for my track to go out on a proper label thus getting places such as amazon and virgin to stock it
wouldn't getting large chains to stock it the job of a distribution company?
are they going to distribute a record and are the shops going to stock copies to sell if it isn't getting promoted properly?
you're making no sense
you've already said that you two local indie stores to stock your record, so why are you blathering about virgin and hmv?
having a "proper label" (what the fuck does that even mean anyway?) has nothing to do with getting records into shops, that's to do with which distribution company you use.
if youve got no money
what use is ditto?
youre still going to have to spend hundreds of pounds on pressing up your record.
idiot
so because i need to spen money pressing my record up, i should spend hundreds setting a label up aswell
thats just a stupid sentence, at least think about what your saying
no
youre saying "i have no money and a record to get out". clearly you have money, if youre going to press it up. part of what a record label does is pay for the pressing.
why should it take hundreds of pounds to set up a record label?
it doesn't
and all i was saying re: the telephone number
is that, again, following a comment about it on this board, a change has been made to the site. which goes some way to proving that theyre reading this. and that you're probably "one of them"
no
theyv just replied to this bollocks on another board, i ain from frggin ditto!
Someone answer my question or im going.
How do i release something through a label with no money or no label!!!
YES i get a barcode, NO i cant release it without a label
the phone numbers been there weeks, im sure that other guy sed hes rang em aswell, so ure jus totally out with that one
again
if you have no money, how are you making these records that youre going to sell?
could you talk about the practicalities of how you got virgin and amazon to stock your record? did you call them up and say "im so and so and my records on such and such records. could you stock it?"
and didnt you say that you only had the record in a couple of independent record shops?
im trying to ascertain why you think its so important to be on a label. your basic argument seems to be "you cant release something on a label without a label".
alot of bands release stuff on there own "labels",
if they went though ditto would that benefit them in anyway? would the "label" name given to them going though Ditto benefit them anymore? would the label make people sit up and take any more notice? would the label name give any prestige, considering anyone can pay the £25 to get the right to "release" a record though them? could "releasing" though ditto do more hard than good as there is no quality control?
and
which is why they dont release the names of their labels. No one knows what goes through ditto, which is why you people have no idea what track i released or on what label it was on
you only half answered my question
and you didn't even do that very well.
would the "labels" you get to release though get my attention? would seeing the labels name on it make me want to investigate further as a consumer? are you getting a "good" label name? would i have heard of the artists that use the service and the labels that are used?
i don't quite get that
if you print up some records and then slap 'monkey records' on them, then you're on a label just like that aren't you?
just wondering really - i don't know what im talking about
well
amazon wont stockl anything without a label.
Any decent site will only go through labels, not unsigned groups. Unless you want to b in a place like karmadownload who take 50% of your profits
and
same for virgin digital
karma may take 50%
but they still pay the artist a higher % than itunes.