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£75,000 for below-average indie band (Dragons Den-centric)

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by waterwings

Anyone else see this?

Awful awful AWFUL sickening crap.

waterwings | 21 Jul '08, 21:27 | Send note | Report this | Reply

30,000 CDs will make them 280,000?

£9.33 per record AFTER distribution fees, chain store discounts etc etc.

REALLY? HONESTLY?

I had to stop listening before that, but if the person who just told me they said that didn't mishear... sweet jesus.


we're lucky

to get over £3 for a record sold at a tenner


exactly

I couldn't quite believe the numbers they were quoting.


But surely the money the were getting of the dragons....

...was paying for all the distro/promo fees etc.

The money from the album sales was going straight back to themselves.


But

You don't get £9.33 from an album sale, even ignoring the costs all together.

It almost sounds like they were working out what it would retail for and forgetting that that isn't the revenue that you recieve.


as if..

they are going to get rid of 30,000 - bands like the futureheads, santogold have all struggled over the 20 mark this year..


They won't get anywhere near

getting 30,000 made on a first run seems somewhat foolhardy.


..

not foolhardy - would be cheaper to do them in mass. or at least they should get the parts printed.

i guess they could flog them in covent garden for the next twenty years.

either that or they are going to be performing sexual acts for peter jones for as many years..

also 5k for their video? i would love to have 5k to make a video for them.. on the condition that it didn't have any of the ugly fuckers in it!


Sure you'd get volume discounts

But you're still going to be paying for several thousand records that you're not going to sell, and fairly soon be forced to pay for the storage of them when your distributor realises they're shifting slower than a Babylon Zoo best of.


..

that's assuming that a distributor is foolish enough to sign a deal with them..

there were a few of them - six? so i'm sure they have enough room under their beds. or maybe under peter jones' bed?

they might sell them but probably with massive retro discounts.. but that's cool cause they had, what £15k for promo?


I thought this band would

be obscure enough for you all. Their last album sold 2000 copies in the UK. Not bad for a band you've never heard of.


haha

that's more than the new css album!


Jealous


hamfatter.net

"Sorry! Due to overwhelming demand this website has fallen over."

You've got to wonder if they stuck that up at 9pm.


.

HAMFATTER GOT 75K ON DRAGON'S DEN!?

BUT THEY'RE BOLLOCKS!


to be honest

it's not exactly a large budget and youthmovies budget isn't as far from that figure as you'd expect. not that many of you have gone out and bought the record after downloading it.


ahem.i have


woah

wicked burn!


jus to take you up on that, sean

maybe that "£75,000" could have been better spent distributing good nature slightly more effectively than on promotion. having bought all of their prior releases (including the first DiS Redjetson split) and seem them live many times, the hardest thing I have had to do since youthmovies is to actually find a physical copy of good nature (the "breakthrough album").
living in bristol; fopp / the beat goes on / HMV / zavvi all managed to be either not stocking youthmovies or have only hurrah... (Fierce Panda seemed to do a much better job)

HMV on oxford st. and that rough trade east also didnt stock it on my last visit to london - which seems pretty odd. and after ordering it off HMV online their distribution failed.

i digress..I dont agree with excessive downloads of new bands, but how can you expect people to buy albums if its not on sale anywhere?

I realise I could have bought it elsewhere online, btw - but thats not the point in terms of physical distribution.

sorry to moan, but I have been meaning to post something about this - and your wry comment got me going


thats a dumb thing to say

when you guys failed to make it easily available and screwed up big time.

I bought it eventually on play.com anyway.


point missed.

The novelty alone should ensure that any investors recoup their dosh without much of a problem. The quality of the band is irrelevant.


how long ago

was this filmed, i.e. where the hell are they with their uber-marketing campaign if this was filmed six months ago - or has it cynically been timed to go out at the high point of their exposure (yet the nadir of their career, fucking knobrots).


Single released today

on iTunes by the looks of it, clicking the link from their site. First I've heard of it, being honest.

30 second preview sounds bloody awful.


they

don't get the money until it's aired


Recouping the monies was never the issue.

The fact that this band got handed the money in the first place is the problem that I have with this.


what i'm saying is that if i was a 'dragon',

i'd recognise the novelty factor from the off and would stump up the cash regardless of the quality of the band...


I don't dispute that though.

It's potentially a good financial punt. Strip away the business/finance aspect of it and it's disgusting.


You honestly think they'll recoup 75k?

What was the deal, 30%? So they'd need PROFIT of 250,000 to recoup. With an average dealer price on the album they'd need to flog nearly 40,000 copies to get that without even taking off distribution, manufacture, PR and marketing or any of that gunf.

Even with the deal on sales going forward or even other revenues, the effect will reduce over time given how awful they are. Really can't see it coming off at all.

Perhaps with a band with decent quality that looked like they could be sold well to a wide market, but really, they didn't even have that going for them.

Maybe my maths is all over the place at 10pm. Wouldn't be surprised.


WE WERE THE BAND THEY TURNED DOWN!

I hate to admit this, but the producers of the show decided that HamFatter should audition over my band LazyBaby (myspace/lazybabyland) after we did an audition pitch at BBC Manchester. I cannot believe it now having seen that they are just another generic indie band. I'd be interested to know peoples opinions on our music as we feel we had way more to offer in terms of originality and commercialism, but i guess the BBC don't practise what they preach...
Any yes, I am jealous... and yes, a tad bitter :(


"originality and commercialism"

Doesn't exist and might never exist ever again.

Sorry, i think you sound like tv show background music.


Just watched the "Good Girl" video

Bands like you annoy me. It's clear you are all very, very talented and super tight, yet you choose to play really, really ordinary funk soul music with absolutely no heart or anything that is even resembling relevant. Just a vapid, clinical and deeply unoriginal sound. You'll be insanely lucky if you have chart success with such an out of date sound and a gigantic bass guitar. Yet, you are all smoking good at playing, obviously, so, i'm confused. Sorry, but you did ask for comments! :)


Ordinary funk?

Thanks for the comment. It's funny, did you listen to the tunes Sinking Town or Kahlon? I guess not, there's no funk there and i'd like to know if you can find a song that sounds like them. We have some funky stuff in our repertoire, we play live a lot and it brings the house down. We are the resident band at The Wardrobe in Leeds, the Norths best live music venue. Come to a gig and you may see some of that heart and soul you're talking about coz it's all there.


'the north's best live music venue'

hahaha, it's not even the best venue in Leeds...


The Wardobe

Voted best music venue in the North for atleast 3 of the last 5 years, get your facts straight...


I will do

when you get a record deal. That'll be never then.

Ba'dum tsh!


GOOD LUCK WITH THAT, U CHEERED ME UP NO END :)

Hahahahaha, i just heard the music on your myspace, did you do that on your GameBoy? Lol, i was your first play of the day and it's almost midnight... i'm guessing you won't be getting a gig at the Wardbrobe for a few years fella.


^^oh dear

how to make friends etc.


LOL, you wonder why?

Do you ask yourself why it doesn't exist? It's because you haven't been fed it yet by radio 1. They decide what music you like and what you listen to and until they stop pushing generic indie in our faces there's nothing else we can do. Come down to a live show, it's hard to show what we can do on a recording that cost us £150 but our live audiences love it and that's all that matters to us.


Not exactly

They pushed the sort of music you played in the 80's dude, that's why it no longer exists. UB40?


Radio 1?

What's that?


NOT THE REAL LAZYBABY

Time to admit that i've been posing as a member of LazyBaby to stir up some debate. They're an awesome band in Leeds and i go and watch them all the time and wanted to get people talking about them... sorry


Bad name.

'Lazy Baby'? Seriously?


horrible post

just

yick


They're on GMTV tomorrow

according to their myspace.

And yes, I did research them, but that was the point of them going on DD.

Also, does anyone understand their name?


i read in *broadsheet newspaper*

that it means a mediocre performer, or something along those lines.


hamfatter = third rate minstrel

i'm not surprised Hamfatter aren't going down well in DiS land.

They're really not your generic 'indie' band, they're a lot more pop (not in that comercial rubbish sense) orientated than indie to be honest.

They're pretty fine at what they do and have been slogging it out for years. The thing that surprised us is how strong their pitch actually was (in terms of knowing-their-shit).

They are a million worse bands in the country than hamfatter, quite a few ones that are better. Unfornatuly the nature of the music business means that the rubbish ones end up on the radio and the ones with some talent don't. These guys have done great in Cambridge (sold out the junction which is pretty large and headlined Strawberry Fair) and hopefully they'll do well enough to make a living doing what they love.


They are fucking rubbish

Pop band or indie band. Who cares? It's insultingly ordinary and generic dweeb music for prats in suits with big wet patches under their arms who have to stay late at the office on wednesdays because their wives are at home that night blowing real men with real muscles. Or something. Honky tonk farting.


nah

they were clearly in suits for the show, i can tell you that the drummer works in a coffee shop and they all play in other musical things to survive.


"for"

not "who are".


ok

.


That's all...

very admirable, but they're still another generic guitar pop band that'll go much the same way as Envy And Other Sins. They're not veey good

Prediction: Their next album will sell middlingly well because of the publicity generated. They'll use the money to record the next one, but won't have as much money to do so, and will in no way have the kind of momentum they did fo the first post Dragons Den. The album will sell not much because most of the people who bought the last off of the TV publicity would have forgotten about them. They're now faced with a future of giving 30% of not much away, meaning they're unable to afford to record anything else without splitting up the band and anulling the contract.


But there are a number fo rubbish bands who are massive

but not constantly berated on DiS for it - that's what MOST music is like. What's the big flipping surprise?


Have Any Of Those "Other Bands"

Got a name as godawful as Hamfatter?


Seriously...

They were just another god awful Cambridge band. They are no just another god awful Cambridge band with money. Simple.


fuck off randall

your band were one of the worst in cambridge. by quite some way.


ok thats a bit harsh

i just never was a fan of you guys.


one of the worst in cambridge?

that must take some doing.


FUCKing HELL!

There's a schism within the Cambridge scene...

The entire industry quivers.


er... wouldn't say god awful

they could play and had some catchy tunes, they're not really my bag though.

i had no idea they were still going, i think the singer is pretty instrumental in the organisation of strawberry fair... could be wrong....

still, great pr.


funny

because Fergal Sharky was on BBC breakfast this morning and basically said that the sums in their pitch were way off.


I saw this

and I turned over immediately after they started playing.

Also what the hell is that thing between that guys eyebrows?!?!


hah

i didn't realise you ended up in Look See Proof. I was talking about Linda's Nephew. My old old band played with you at the moon once.

hah anyway myspace.com/holmenated. Beat that LOL


A show off.

Eurgh.


i like yr band

because you were supposed to play a show here in york but you cancelled without warning and i was supporting and had to do an impromptu headline set which went really well and i got mad props for. cheers linda's nephew!


someone told me..

that they have the same PR company as Sandi Thom. I.e. the whole thing is a crappy stunt.

Yawn.


i don't think that's true

unless one of them is using two pr companies? sandi thom is with 'quite great' and hamfatter are with 'the outside organisation'
www.outside-org.co.uk


the PR company you're speaking of is based just outside of Cambridge

which is probably more of a factor than the whole 'PR WOW' thing that you might associate with the sandi thom farce.


oh well...

I never was one for facts.


the next album

is going to be a Throbbing Gristle covers album, and that's a fact.


coincidently these tickets are also on sale...

http://www.wegottickets.com/event/33260

and we're doing this for free and it's costing us a lot in petrol money!!!

www.lazybabyland.com


THEY'RE ON THE BBC ONE O'CLOCK NEWS

FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF


Good on 'em...

If some rich fools are willing to throw £75,000 grand in my direction to allow me to sell my music with no pay-back agreement, I'd snap at the chance.

You're only pissed 'cuz you're jealous.


totally true

all they had to do was come across as confident with totally distorted figures and the 'dragons' and the programmes producers would lap it up because of the publicity would generate for programme.

and they got £75'000 for the hassle. good for them.


DIS BITTERNESS

I knew this would be the reaction to them. I thought they were well average and I hate bands that get on TV to further their careers, but I had been looking forward to DIS boarders moaning their arses off about it. Good luck to them, they'll have as much luck as other TV indie competition winners out there. Peter Jones must be so much richer than I previously thought to give his money out like that!


i concurr with the looking fwd

to the reaction here.

But I must say "I hate bands that get on TV to further their careers", the vast majority of bands will aim top get TV exposure one way or another, as part of their promotional activity, so that's a little bit harsh.

What's wrong with a band getting on TV?


Didn't he say to someone else in the same episode...

..."well, if i go to the bank, there'll be £10,000,000 in it".

He's had more expensive farts than the buttons he's throwing at these guys.