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by Rose-Kitten

Hola. I'm contemplating a move to Dubai / there have been some opportunities presented to me about this. The market is bouyant and there's gold in dem dere sand dunes.
In any case, stories and experiences below please.

Merci.

Rose-Kitten | 07 Jul '08, 22:23 | Send note | Report this | Reply

dubai looks totally cool

but also a wee bitty fascist and a fat cats wet dream

meh


I didn't like Dubai.

a fake fucking city in the sand...


yeah... go on, tell me more.

am interested...

on another note, i hear that it has the WORST road fatalities out there... great... lucky i'm a shit hot driver!


I was only there for a few hours TBH

My friend was there for a week though.

He hated it...it really IS a rich people place.


There's a reason for that.

Their religion says that when your number is up, it's up, and nothing you can do can stop it. Nobody doubts it.
The drivers out there are absolute lunatics because of this. On the rare occassion that it rains in Dubai (and I've seen pictures of roads flooded 2ft high), they still drive like it's dry weather - seriously.


4 x 4 Rose-Kitten! Jesus.

I like driving, tho... I miss not having a car here in London.

Re the driving, I recall a particularly hairy drive in Madrid, my dear... whereby I thought I was going to die... this taxi driver was a complete lunatic. I think it kind of happens when there's an open road and people like to floor it (I'm kind of guilty like that too here in the UK - amazed I've not been caught for speeding in the past.. would have been a complete snatch of license in the past and probably jail sentance, for sure - ah, my silly youf)...


Well imagine that, tenfold.

Then imagine living somewhere that's a building site, and you spend an hour in traffic in dessert storms trying to get out of the City to get home at night.
Then also imagine that as they're digging up all of the roads, they don't bother putting up redirection signs, or even taking down old ones.
Then imagine all of that in 40 degree heat.

Now you're driving in Dubai!


Desert storms = scary..

I remember them from Australia. VERY scary. Hmmm. (not liking the thought of being trapped in a car during one at all).

Maybe I should have a chat with your friend, Mirri who lives out there? Hmmm..


Definitely.

I'm pretty sure he'll convince you that the pros outweigh the cons though!


*not like desert storms happen all the time in Melbourne..

but they did occasionally and the sky turning red for hours is like the equivalent of Armaggedon or sumthan'.

Cool. I'm not rushing off just yet - I've got a UK passport to get first! ;-)


actually i've just remembered

when i went to japan we stopped off in Dubai. The airport is ridiculously huge and full of tacky shit.

Second most helpful post ever?


Your profile name should be

Little_Encourage.

I've gotta hit the hay... nighto night x


I honestly don't understand

the attraction of dubai. It's like a kind of nightmarish combination of all the worst things about the west - naked materialism, conspicuous consumption, unbridled capitalism - and the bad things about the middle east - repressive religiosity, conservatism, intolerance etc.

Also, all them purty skyscrapers are being built with what is essentially slave labour.


yeah this how I feel about Dubai

I cant really see any redeeming features about it. it must have one of the biggest rich-poor divides in the world


an exceptionally bouyant market, tax free wages,

a relocation package, the opportunity for immense career progression (ie, fast track a few years in 12 mths) and so on... come back to a hopefully somewhat recovered bouyant UK markek (there's a bumpy ride ahead in my sector, that's fo' sure)... what's there not to like? Sunshine every day of the year.. beaches... a thriving expat scene (not so sure about that bit - that COULD be tricky for me.. but know of people out there - hey, Grinner from DiS lives out there!)...

I'm weighing it all up. I need a change of scenery.


I would

I got offered a job in Japan last year, and I didn't take it.

I've achived nothing good in the past year, and can't help how things may have been if I had taken a chance.


why did you reject it?

i'd love to spend a whole year in Japan.


I have an oppurtunity to do this in my business

and if the offer was concrete I would do it at the drop of a hat. You might regret it for the rest of your life. You can always come back here, you might not be able to go there again.


Well, I live in Doha

but it is not a million miles from Dubai (literally, but you know what I mean). I came out here to work for a company I always wanted to work for, but quickly found it very difficult to live here.

Qatar is tough - the bureaucracy is stifling, the weather is sickening and there is ZIP in terms of culture - and that includes 'Arab' culture. The Gulf region of Arabia is nothing like Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Lebanon, for example.

But Dubai, from my experience, is a lot easier to deal with than Doha. The infrastructure is more developed and there is just a lot more to do. It is extremely fake, mind - more like a theme park than a 'city'.

If you come over here for the money - and that alone - you will have to make the necessary allowances. Check with your potential employer about the housing allowance on offer, as rents are extremely high. My place, for example, costs my company £2500 a month and it is nothing special. If you get an attractive offer on paper, check on the hidden costs for housing.

It helps massively if you can drive, too. I don't drive and consequently spend most of my time slogging around in 45C heat. Not fun.

To live in Dubai without going postal, travel to other places in the region regularly. Syria, Lebanon and Jordan - countries with a real sense of their history - are not far away.

It is a big step... without being patronising, fully examine your motives for coming out here. If it is money, you will not regret it. If, however, you want a life, you need to make allowances.


agreed with last paragraph there

and i've only lived in egypt which is far less conservative on a lot of things


I've been in London for nine years.

I need a change of scene. If I could speak another language I'd probs head to Europe... (fucking annoyed with self for not picking up French earlier.. very annoyed)... but yeah.. there's a lot of stuff happening out there.
It's party cash motivated but also, I am a little bit bored with London and that scares me... when you become bored of this place you become bored with life.
I need new stuff. A move doesn't phase me.. after all am kind of 'alone' here in the Uk as it is... I'd do it for 12 to 18 mths tops.. I know how the heat can get to you after awhile.

Thanks for the insider tips tho. I have been looking at properties, one bed apartments to let..... these seem to be on average about £1k per month but that's probably a 45 minute out of the city which isn't what I'm looking for.
Yes, hidden costs, am sure they are all immersed in teh fine print.

I do drive, so that's lucky for me.


Berlin!

Clean, cheap, you could learn a language but could easily get by on English


Berlin indeed

That is DEFINITELY my next stop after this crap-hole.


I can actually speak German (Austrian), Rik!

Just don't wanna live there. If it's Europe, it's Paris for me, am afraid.. :D
That's a later thing for me anyway - it will happen.. just a bit later on.
I'll be an elegant older lady with a small French poodle in my handbag.. the kind whose very sweet to small children. ;-)


The older ladies I encountered in Paris were anything but sweet

One stopped and waved her handbag at me as I slowly rolled past on my bike on the (very wide and unpopulated) pavement


ha ha ha ha ha ha... :D

oh well, you know... don't ruin the dream!! ;-)


my aunt worked in dubai for a year

I think she found it rather oppressive and difficult to meet people there, after living in London.


Here I am

feeling brave about considering the act of upping sticks and wandering to Manchester from London

Reading this thread has reminded me how feeble I am!


Good nightlife

My brother's mate DJs out there quite regularly, and apparently it goes off


trust you to have a tip on that one!

yay - hotel bars, i'd imagine? trying to work out how licensing stuff is worked out re boozes.

also, has arnaud rebotini played out there ;-) (ha ha)


As far as I know

drinking in Dubai is similar to Doha - only allowed in hotels (no pubs here!). In Doha you have to buy a permit (£130!) so that you can drink in your house.

But pork is allowed in Dubai, I think. Not here.


don't go eating any poppy seed

rolls. You'll be arrested for trafficking heroin


*notes tip.

;-)


oh yeah

i remember reading about that. didn't someone get four years for a miniscule amount of cannabis on the bottom of their shoes that could only be seen by microscope? I think that was Dubai.


aw, man, that poor guy. that poor STUPID guy.

sigh...
hey, maybe I could play records out there? hmmm... MsRosalita's Salon in Dubai! (lol).


travelling to dubai is

a srs bsns. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7234786.stm

"Possession of painkillers like codeine and some cold and flu medication could result in a mandatory four-year prison sentence"

"In one of the most extreme cases, it reported a man being held after poppy seeds from a bread roll were found on his clothes."


^disappointed to be reminded of the codeine ban..

my favourite drug of choice.


Do it!

It'll get way less strict over there given time though. If they want tourism to be the main industry out there eventually then they'll have to, I guess

But seriously though, I'd imagine it'd actually be much easier to get gigs in a town/country like that. Different face, different tunes etc


The Salon has been on hold until I sort my immediate life out

but there's definately interest in it so it will return... there is only ONE Salon, mind... don't settle for fake events...

Righto, I need to get some shut eye.. I've started running again and it means sleepy time is like reverting to the womb.

NIGHT ALL - thanks for your help!

x


I'd go for it

particularly if the money's good, you can always move back if you hate it.


I got offered

a job in oman today, got to admit the weather, tax free pay and relocation bonus are very tempting, but what the hell would i do when i'm there!


looks boring as hell

Peter Ebdon moved there and I suspect this says a lot.


That woman sounds like a cock though

you visit a country, you respect their customs. It's simple.


Yeah, she does

fair call


I agree - she sounds like a total cock.

I'd never behave like that anyway (sex on the beach = rubbish)...

On a serious note, I do have respect for other cultures.**

**Barcelona kinda different to Dubai, me thinketh.


My friend remortaged his parent's house pretending to be his dad

And bought a house in Dubai. He runs out of money in 4 months time


Good skills

I wonder what the penalty for mortgage fruad is in Dubai.


I don't understand why anyone would want to move to Dubai.

It's just a set of dunes where rich people go to show off to other rich people about how rich they are and obviously better than poor people or the middle classes who can now afford to go there.

Plus when the sea levels rise it'll be fucked.

Plus what is there other than a 24 hour building site?


Not everyone goes there for the money

I didn't put my life on hold to come to Doha for no reason, for example. I did it for my career.


What's your career?

I'd guess there is plenty of engineering.


Journalism


Who, me?!


I agree

I wouldn't move to Dubai. The Middle East is fascinating but Dubai is like the Last Vegas Blackpool of that region.
I think Rose-Kitten likes to talk about doing exciting things though, without actually following them through.


oh yeah?

no idea who you are but ummm... thanks for the character analysis. I'd be interested to know what that's based upon.


LoL!

You can't just presume that of someone you've never met! That's outrageous!


i love the pop-DiS psychoanalysis posts.

makes me LOL. I'm actually a lot more proactive than I used to be and actually DO get around to doing the shit I talk about these days (compared to say, five years ago).


...

It just made me LoL when I read his post making those assumptions about you and then reading your post saying that you didn't even know who they are! It just seems so bizzare that someone would make such an assumption of somebody like that! Oh well! Moving on!


my friend saw you on monday

he said "i just saw rose-kitten. she was walking down old street. then she got on a tube. then she disappeared."


yeah, part-of posted the link above... ^^^

seriously, sex on the beach is massively overrated... sandflies, and sand in places you don't want sand. HA HA HA HA HA.


it's a ludicrous place

and most of the year it is uninhabitable. 100% humidity and 40 degrees heat.

the dwindling arabic population can't drive and hate the immigrants who make up 80% of the population. the immigrants can't drive either and hate each other. you can't buy alcohol unless you have an account and when you have bought your quota that's it.

BUT you can go camping in the desert, drive to oman, fly to sri lanka/lebanon/jordan in no time at all and eat wonderful arabic food constantly.

there are pros and cons but it is a ludicrous place where a normal life is nigh on impossible. expect ludicrous and irritating things to happen to happen to you and be sure to take most things with a pinch of salt.


^ re this

I think one of the best things Dubai has going for it is it's accessibility to some really wonderful places to visit.

But that's only really going to be relevant if you have lots of cash to splash and aren't trying to save up your pennies.


you're white

you'll love it