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try and incorporate getting laid into your life.

cos as that uber-feminist,ahem, Lennon said "women are the jiggas of the world". Or something. Basically,dress it up and reinterpret and offer the usual suspects as exceptions to the rule, women as bitches,hos,freeks whatever is acceptable in music (even when it's women themselves presenting themselves as little more than doll parts). Riot grrrl mentality? Not no more.

women ARE bitches and ho's

fo' real

did he get sir paul on for a 23minute hey jude singalong?

I think it's a little sad that he can get ten thousand people to shout "99 problems and a bitch aint one".

completely passed you by.

Gangsters, selling drugs and acting tough is, whether you like it or not, part of (though admittedly, not always) hip-hop music.

If you don't like his double-standards, then don't listen to him... I'm pretty sure Jay-Z wouldn't care either way.

Why are you using Cribs as an example by the way?

Plus, music is full of personas and always has been. People either buy into it or don't. Without, in anyway, meaning to compare the two (which would just be ridiculous) I'm sure a lot of people didn't get the whole Ziggy Stardust persona. Most rock stars, musicians and artists have personas because they are performers.

I'm done.

be more specific with your feedback...

Its nowt new Rappers talkin about this stuff they have been for years and years...

He doesnt do it very offensivly does he, its more like an act when he is doin it.

Its fair enough to be offended by that kinda laguage though...

isn't it weird how this keeps coming up?

"the four elements" etc etc HAHAHAHA

The fact that bad rap music is popular is symptomatic of the way music is consumed by the general public, in britain at least.
People that say "oh but rap music is supposed to be about sexism and killing people! That's what's REAL to him! You just don't get it!": that's pretty racist and partly the reason why such acts get away with it. Such music and culture has been fetishised by the media to an extent where it's justifyable to say calling women "bitches" is ok because "it's not our culture, it's how black guy's in da ghetto live so don't worry yr trilby and just enjoy it whilst we bring you sexism in HD, because remember, that's just how black people are!". There's a level of abstraction that is pretty irresponsible.

To people who are outraged at all the sexism: there is a fine line between performance and mysogny. I feel Jay-z balances it well and is a pretty good MC. He's still playing to the crowds who want all that stuff, as explained above. 50 cent misses the mark and is coincidentally also a terrible MC. His music is pretty hateful and really not good.

He's not calling ALL WOMEN 'bitches' is he, talking about specific women who cause you problems - this is not a specificly 'rap' or 'black' thing, and if it was Nick Cave or, as you say, The Cribs or whoever singing "God I hate it when women are bitches and cause me problems" there wouldn't be such uproar.

And the whole thing about people having a problem with people singing about drug dealing and being in jail, well, if that's their personal experience what's it got to do with you? Rappers like Jay Z especially rap about how music is the way they escaped drug dealing, they're not glamorising it are they?

And if you're reffering to Glasto last night when you say he keeps talking about 'hos', he's actually saying HOV, so it's not even an issue.

for no other reason than the title's inherent suggestion that Jay-Z uses such language at all times. "Bitch, did I leave the hob ring on?"

And a big part of the problem is that, whilst I can see the arguments that it is a stage act and a performance and it shouldn't necessarily be assumed all hip-hop MC's lives are reflective of their lyrics, a big part of the "act" is authenticity and trying to come across as "real" as possible, which does weaken the showmanship defence and, show or otherwise, you can't deny the deliberately blurred line does mean that people listening to it might feel it condones sexism, misogyny etc.

What pisses me off, although there's not been too much of it in this thread, is this quite unpleasant cutlural relavatist attitude that pretty much comes down to "you have to make allowances 'cos they're black people from deprived conditions" which is an unpleasantly classist and racist argument that somehow suggests neither black people or poor people can be expected to be as "moral" or as "good people" as middle-class white people. I find that an incredibly offensive argument in many ways.

Neil Diamond thrusts Christianity upon unsuspecting audience.

whites hate blacks hate whites hate whites hate reds hate blacks hate blacks hate yellows hate whites hate yellows hate browns hate everbody hate everything hate women hate men hate gays hate blacks hate women hate dicks hate cunts hate hip- hop.

works for me

KIDDING!!!

Hey, Lennon said "Woman IsThe NIGGER of the World" , Nigger, Nigger, Nigger- say it. It's a word. Back in the day when some of the adults around me used that word to refer to African-Americans (another fucked up reference if you ask me) I knew it was bad- I never used it except in the "nursery rhyme" eenie, meenie, mynie, mo, catch a nigger by the toe. I still don't use that term- but I know some folks that do and that's really fucked up. Those folks are black folks. I said racism is a double edged sword and it is- it hurts the the racist as well as those they are being racist towards and in this cuntry (America) racisim is a two-way street as well. Racism is rampant and it is (by no means) just white people hating non-whites- far from it. The biggest racists in this land are blacks and it's really starting to get old. Niggahs be laughing at the situation too. I hope after Obama is elected that we can finally get to the core of "racism in america". It's so nauseating- there are actually black people in america that claim Obama isn't "black" enough; they say he has no "slave blood" but ftw thank god his wife does- and radio talk show host rush limbaugh accuses Obama of playing the race card and then plays a "satire" song entitled "Barak The Magic Negro" (sung to "puff the magic dragon") almost in the same sentence- I am horrified when I think about this shit. Why can't we all just get along or why can't we just be honest about it? This goddamn country needs to wake up and quit being stupid. Racism is out there and it's not going to go away by avoiding it. I'm voting for Obama cause he's not republican and that's idiotic too but I don't care we need someone who ISN"T an asshole in the white house (which includes probably ninety percent of everone who has ever held the office). I supported him in the primary cause Hilary just ain't my kind o ho. I have long wanted a woman prez. and it broke my heart that Hilary Clinton was all that was available- maybe next time. I hope that Obama can do something about the races and their hatred for eachother.

rtd