How well-paid/badly-paid/unsatisfying/satisfying is very important. For instance, £100k a week for filing - I'm there. £1 a week for doing something I love - not really a good idea.
Those are easy decisions though
What about when both ends of the spectrum are set more realistically close together?
Also, long-term thinking, are you going to be able to support & provide for yourself/partner/family on your pittance of an artistic job wage? Is this just being selfish? Or should you fuck everyone else and do what you want to?
That's what I'm saying
How close they were would be the biggest factor in the decision. And without that information, it's impossible to say.
I don't have a partner or family, so that wouldn't be an issue for me. I'd probably rather do something I liked if I could live comfortably on it. But if it was going to make every day a struggle, it's not worth it and I'd rather just do something I hated and be alright.
Yeah me neither
but hypothetically speaking, if you're in a situation with a family & kids, as well as elderly parents in a care home you're gonna need hella £££ just to stay afloat.
That's why you have to avoid having a family
It's really easy.
Even the one that raised you?
£2,000 a month per person seems to be the going rate for your average elderly care home. My grandmother has been in one for 14 years now.
My sister's close to becoming a solicitor
She can deal with that side of things. Problem solved.
Ah
the good old 'shirk real-life issues and let some who works hard deal with it' tactic. Now thats what I call indie!
I don't like indie music
I don't think it's shirking real-life issues. It's just my sister is clearly better-placed to make loads of money. All her skills are geared towards it. Mine aren't. We're a team. She makes the money, I make the funnies. All bases covered.
Fair do's
sponger ;) SAFETYWINK
Hmmmm!
I'd say £100k a week would soften the soulcrush somewhat, but you'd still lose your mind after a while. I'd probably sing a little song about money whilst i was doing it to help ease my pain.
The other thing you could do, is severely reduce your hours
Like, say you'll do 1/50th of the work for £2k pw. Then you're on £100k a year for doing about an hour of filing a week.
That's against the rules!
You have to do a 35 hour week and do it until your 70. Still sound appealing?
Yeah, I'd do it
I quite like filing. If it was shredding, no way.
noooo
well maybe, when payday comes around it suddenly seems worth it
Give me a job I love EASILY
over money.
Mo money mo problems remember.
TEll that to your kids when you can't go on holiday
Have a UK holiday
or make the little cunts realise money isn't everything.
Simple!
All holidays are expensive
whether abroad or at home. I didn't specifiy either. More broadly, my point is about being able to provide the opportunities which in many situations only money can do.
I'm not arguing with you btw, you made a good point, I just want to explore the issue fully.
having done both
i'd say that it's all swings and roundabouts really. Being skint is really hard though.
yeh
you can always have fun no matter how boring the job seems
Also
Creative jobs - at the end of the day, its still a job. Your life becomes your job, and therefore becomes inevitably mundane.
Soulless, money paying jobs you leave behind the instant the day is over, leaving you with time & money to pursue your own independent artistic endeavours (should you wish to). You don't have to toe the line, as you would have to if you were, say, a music journalist.
I would be happy with either.
How does one get into doing creative stuff anyway?
paper mache
i disagree.
i'd really like to get to the end of my life not feeling like i've completely wasted it on meaningless pursuits for money.
when you spend 5 out of 7 days at work, it's not just a job, it's basically your life. i for one would prefer to enjoy it.
i do think you can find a happy medium though, as i'm somewhere in between at the moment myself.
I agree
there is definitely a balance to be struck. That said, I'd rather be able to provide doing a job that is perceived as being corporate than have a quirky job that pays shit-all. the publishing industry is another example of this.
yeah but also
corporate jobs are often the ones that require massive overtime and stupid dedication to work. "work to live" not "live to work", etc.
if i'm going to give up my life to work, i want it to be for something i'm very passionate about, such as making a film. i'd find that rewarding and it wouldn't really feel like work. and there is some small potential to make a living from it too!
Very valid points
about what you are and aren't prepared to sacrifice your time (and effectively your life) for. There are corporate jobs that don't require very much, if any, overtime work. So I guess its about seeking out a niche where the time/money/life balance is what you're most comfortable with.
your job sounds pretty awesome
it looks like my proposed summer job isnt coming through. ive been offered a job in an amusement arcade. if they'd called it a 'mini-casino' i may have been more tempted
doesn't sound like the worst summer job in the world..
i worked for a year in debt recovery in a law firm, probably the least rewarding work you could ever have.
my job's pretty cool, it's just not creative. need to get back into production eventually, but exactly as wagons says - i'm not prepared to have nothing to live on in order to do this. will get there eventually, but on my own terms.
Through bitter experience
I recommend the most money doing anything in the shortest possible time leaving you with the most possible free time and cash.
Wellll
having been in the above situation...I would much rather have a more relaxing and rewarding less well paid job than a high stress and thankless moneybags job.
You can't spend your megabucks when you're 6 foot under from a heart attack due to a lifetime of stress.
(as you can tell, this weather has made me oh-so cheery)
On the subject, anyone know of any decent new media job wesbites?
Thanks.
I enjoy my job, but pay is terrible. It is a toughie, no doubt, but ultimately, I want more cash. Hence the job search.
^ I agree with tippimit
largely. Don't be a martyr to low-paid jobs. Accept that you will probably be working for the rest of your adult life, and as such you need to do something that is a) moderately stimulating, and b) brings in the cash the the greatest possible extent.
Depends, obviously
Expand on this please
There are four variables
How well-paid/badly-paid/unsatisfying/satisfying is very important. For instance, £100k a week for filing - I'm there. £1 a week for doing something I love - not really a good idea.
Those are easy decisions though
What about when both ends of the spectrum are set more realistically close together?
Also, long-term thinking, are you going to be able to support & provide for yourself/partner/family on your pittance of an artistic job wage? Is this just being selfish? Or should you fuck everyone else and do what you want to?
That's what I'm saying
How close they were would be the biggest factor in the decision. And without that information, it's impossible to say.
I don't have a partner or family, so that wouldn't be an issue for me. I'd probably rather do something I liked if I could live comfortably on it. But if it was going to make every day a struggle, it's not worth it and I'd rather just do something I hated and be alright.
Yeah me neither
but hypothetically speaking, if you're in a situation with a family & kids, as well as elderly parents in a care home you're gonna need hella £££ just to stay afloat.
That's why you have to avoid having a family
It's really easy.
Even the one that raised you?
£2,000 a month per person seems to be the going rate for your average elderly care home. My grandmother has been in one for 14 years now.
My sister's close to becoming a solicitor
She can deal with that side of things. Problem solved.
Ah
the good old 'shirk real-life issues and let some who works hard deal with it' tactic. Now thats what I call indie!
I don't like indie music
I don't think it's shirking real-life issues. It's just my sister is clearly better-placed to make loads of money. All her skills are geared towards it. Mine aren't. We're a team. She makes the money, I make the funnies. All bases covered.
Fair do's
sponger ;) SAFETYWINK
Hmmmm!
I'd say £100k a week would soften the soulcrush somewhat, but you'd still lose your mind after a while. I'd probably sing a little song about money whilst i was doing it to help ease my pain.
The other thing you could do, is severely reduce your hours
Like, say you'll do 1/50th of the work for £2k pw. Then you're on £100k a year for doing about an hour of filing a week.
That's against the rules!
You have to do a 35 hour week and do it until your 70. Still sound appealing?
Yeah, I'd do it
I quite like filing. If it was shredding, no way.
noooo
well maybe, when payday comes around it suddenly seems worth it
Give me a job I love EASILY
over money.
Mo money mo problems remember.
TEll that to your kids when you can't go on holiday
Have a UK holiday
or make the little cunts realise money isn't everything.
Simple!
All holidays are expensive
whether abroad or at home. I didn't specifiy either. More broadly, my point is about being able to provide the opportunities which in many situations only money can do.
I'm not arguing with you btw, you made a good point, I just want to explore the issue fully.
having done both
i'd say that it's all swings and roundabouts really. Being skint is really hard though.
yeh
you can always have fun no matter how boring the job seems
Also
Creative jobs - at the end of the day, its still a job. Your life becomes your job, and therefore becomes inevitably mundane.
Soulless, money paying jobs you leave behind the instant the day is over, leaving you with time & money to pursue your own independent artistic endeavours (should you wish to). You don't have to toe the line, as you would have to if you were, say, a music journalist.
I would be happy with either.
How does one get into doing creative stuff anyway?
paper mache
i disagree.
i'd really like to get to the end of my life not feeling like i've completely wasted it on meaningless pursuits for money.
when you spend 5 out of 7 days at work, it's not just a job, it's basically your life. i for one would prefer to enjoy it.
i do think you can find a happy medium though, as i'm somewhere in between at the moment myself.
I agree
there is definitely a balance to be struck. That said, I'd rather be able to provide doing a job that is perceived as being corporate than have a quirky job that pays shit-all. the publishing industry is another example of this.
yeah but also
corporate jobs are often the ones that require massive overtime and stupid dedication to work. "work to live" not "live to work", etc.
if i'm going to give up my life to work, i want it to be for something i'm very passionate about, such as making a film. i'd find that rewarding and it wouldn't really feel like work. and there is some small potential to make a living from it too!
Very valid points
about what you are and aren't prepared to sacrifice your time (and effectively your life) for. There are corporate jobs that don't require very much, if any, overtime work. So I guess its about seeking out a niche where the time/money/life balance is what you're most comfortable with.
your job sounds pretty awesome
it looks like my proposed summer job isnt coming through. ive been offered a job in an amusement arcade. if they'd called it a 'mini-casino' i may have been more tempted
doesn't sound like the worst summer job in the world..
i worked for a year in debt recovery in a law firm, probably the least rewarding work you could ever have.
my job's pretty cool, it's just not creative. need to get back into production eventually, but exactly as wagons says - i'm not prepared to have nothing to live on in order to do this. will get there eventually, but on my own terms.
Through bitter experience
I recommend the most money doing anything in the shortest possible time leaving you with the most possible free time and cash.
Wellll
having been in the above situation...I would much rather have a more relaxing and rewarding less well paid job than a high stress and thankless moneybags job.
You can't spend your megabucks when you're 6 foot under from a heart attack due to a lifetime of stress.
(as you can tell, this weather has made me oh-so cheery)
On the subject, anyone know of any decent new media job wesbites?
Thanks.
I enjoy my job, but pay is terrible. It is a toughie, no doubt, but ultimately, I want more cash. Hence the job search.
^ I agree with tippimit
largely. Don't be a martyr to low-paid jobs. Accept that you will probably be working for the rest of your adult life, and as such you need to do something that is a) moderately stimulating, and b) brings in the cash the the greatest possible extent.