...but were leaning closer to generalising than you were to non-generalising. In general, it's good practice to round these cases up to 'generalising' and so in general, I'd say you generalise more than you're generally led to believe.
what i mean to say is: people who are pretentious for the sake of being pretentious, or say something so they can be the one who said it, generally suck. the guy for example who is the first to say "the book was better" when the book obviously was better so he could be the one to say it was better. he sucks
a bands first album is generally the best songs they've ever written in their lives up to the point it was recorded. the second album is the best songs they could write whilst being on a tour for a year.
and if the first album is a success, oasis being the best example, the band get all the attention/fame/money/drugs they dreamed of and it inevitably shows in their songs.
Exampple is that I like My heart Has A Wish That You Will No Go more than others because it is the album that made me fall in love with the band. I sill like the other stuff, but it was not the stuff I feel in love with.
Hence all the twats liking the newer Feeder stuff whereas I grew up with the older stuff...
interpol, the rakes + GNR were good, now shit
beatles, ATDI + pumpkins were shit, but now good. altho i dont agree that the pumplins and atdi were ever 'shit'
There are some strong cases though: Interpol, Strokes, Elastica, Gang of Four. Along with several others where you can easily argue the case: REM, Kate Bush, Pavement. So this is a silly argument.
Lots of the responses to this thread are citing artists who have made two or three albums. What's the point?
If you look at artists with true longevity you'd be hard-pressed to honestly hold the first album=best opinion about any of them. The Rolling Stones, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, The Cure, etc.
It's simply not true in all cases worth talking about, so SHANDYHOLMES is right. People should stop it.
is still more than arguably one of if not their best album. They've been past their greatness for a few years now, but Murmur is so timeless it still sounds fresh today. It's the R.E.M. album I find myself drawn to most often... the tracklisting is formidable, including
Radio Free Europe
Pilgrimage
Perfect Circle
Catapult
Sitting Still
Shaking Through...
to the people who like to generalise
why do you do this ALLLLL the time? etc.
once ive done this
ONCE
What about the time when you were neither generalising, nor non-generalising...
...but were leaning closer to generalising than you were to non-generalising. In general, it's good practice to round these cases up to 'generalising' and so in general, I'd say you generalise more than you're generally led to believe.
:D:D:D:D:D
your
first post was better
mine?
his? which?
Okay
What do you do when the first album actually is better though?
Or are we all going to have start loving the Second Coming?
We pretend it's not 'cos we're all cool and music-savvy.
Whatever the fuck savvy means.
Isn't that the new name for Virgin Megastores?
I apologise...............
its like pricks who say
"i preferred the book". even if the book was light years better, if you say this - You are a prick
You so clever
yeah think it don't say it
my friend he used to like a band but only 'their early stuff'. Seperately his band put on their influences '(different band) early stuff'
so he only likes bands early stuff. normally the time period before they actually learned the art of song writing.
ps, i don't think this post makes any sense.
perhaps it does not
what i mean to say is: people who are pretentious for the sake of being pretentious, or say something so they can be the one who said it, generally suck. the guy for example who is the first to say "the book was better" when the book obviously was better so he could be the one to say it was better. he sucks
dont think this makes sense either
oh well
its generally true!
a bands first album is generally the best songs they've ever written in their lives up to the point it was recorded. the second album is the best songs they could write whilst being on a tour for a year.
and if the first album is a success, oasis being the best example, the band get all the attention/fame/money/drugs they dreamed of and it inevitably shows in their songs.
not that i think about this all the time..
the truth
Is this a path you are hoping to follow? :)
sometimes the film really is better
eg.:
The Big Sleep
Fight Club
The Prestige
etc.
I liked the book of the prestige better than the film
Though I did like the film, twas very good. Just preferred the bit in the book when he emerged from the vault as if he'd been in there for years.
this applies to none of my favourite bands.
Good.
Ok......
REM
First single is the best one.
Got progressively Not-As-Good.
but does apply to most big US metal bands from the 90s
examples
korn
machine head
all those others...
good point about korn
is the first album the one with blind on?
No brainuuuuuh
Guns n' Roses
Ooooh, and Hot Hot Heat.
yeah
though to be fair i listen to life is peachy and follow the leader more...
I normally like the first album I hear from band more than their newer stuff.
Exampple is that I like My heart Has A Wish That You Will No Go more than others because it is the album that made me fall in love with the band. I sill like the other stuff, but it was not the stuff I feel in love with.
Hence all the twats liking the newer Feeder stuff whereas I grew up with the older stuff...
Are you me?
And if not who are you? I'm scared :S
it's more likely to be
as usually bands have been building up to it for a few years
it's the old cliche isn't it
that you get ten years to write your first record...and then ten months to write your second...
i don't, but it's true of Deloused. You know it.
perhaps the only one for me EVER
Fuck no.
And this only happens to those who 'make it' and then stop leading real lives.
T.O.T.B.L you idiot.
^This
Fever To Tell and T.O.T.B.L also.
There will be more but as a general rule I don't necessarily think a bands debut album is their best.
It varies from artist to artist
Case in point:
Interpol, The Beatles
The Rakes, At The Drive-In
Guns 'N Roses, Smashing Pumpkins
at the drive in no
acrobatic tenement is shit
isnt he saying:
interpol, the rakes + GNR were good, now shit
beatles, ATDI + pumpkins were shit, but now good. altho i dont agree that the pumplins and atdi were ever 'shit'
I certainly was
making a contrast between yes and no
But all three bands with weaker first albums have never been shit.
Pumpkins!
Gish > Siamese Dream > Mellon Collie > Adore > Machina > Machina II > Zeitgeist.
So yeah, one long steady decline for Billy and chums. Started out bloody high up though: first four albums are all wicked.
I preferred your posts before everyeone else started liking them
So I'm a real fan, you see. Not one of these Johnny-Come-Latelys.
Joe - www.anewbandaday.com
I don't think
anybody would ever claim Pablo Honey to be Radiohead's best work, for just one example
Ithink some berk on the BBC did. Fool.
There are some strong cases though: Interpol, Strokes, Elastica, Gang of Four. Along with several others where you can easily argue the case: REM, Kate Bush, Pavement. So this is a silly argument.
Here we go, Mr Ian Youngs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7037194.stm
*sigh*
Lots of the responses to this thread are citing artists who have made two or three albums. What's the point?
If you look at artists with true longevity you'd be hard-pressed to honestly hold the first album=best opinion about any of them. The Rolling Stones, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, The Cure, etc.
It's simply not true in all cases worth talking about, so SHANDYHOLMES is right. People should stop it.
R.E.M.'s Murmur
is still more than arguably one of if not their best album. They've been past their greatness for a few years now, but Murmur is so timeless it still sounds fresh today. It's the R.E.M. album I find myself drawn to most often... the tracklisting is formidable, including
Radio Free Europe
Pilgrimage
Perfect Circle
Catapult
Sitting Still
Shaking Through...
^
I feel like R.E.M have been on an almost unbroken downward trajectory since Murmur.
Still quite like them though.
I don't honestly see the problem with people saying it if
they happen to believe it's true
^No way
New adventures is their second best.